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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 2, 2020 22:06:39 GMT
I thought Powell (playing in that position) played a significant part in how well we played yesterday. I'd really like to see that continue. For me Campbell either stays on the right, or he replaces Vokes, with Verlinden replacing him on the wing. If Powell is injured, then yeah 442. Campbell as a lone striker ? Can't see that working unless he improves his hold up play massively.... I thought Vokes was more significant than Powell,he was the perfect target man which is what Campbell needs alongside him. Better teams will mark Campbell out of the match playing out wide When we've just scored five away from home, where Powell played very well, I just don't see any need to rush into changing it. Maybe Campbell won't ultimately work out wide but on the back of him scoring two, hitting the bar and getting an assist, then I'd rather worry about crossing that bridge if and when we actually, ultimately, need to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 22:13:23 GMT
Campbell as a lone striker ? Can't see that working unless he improves his hold up play massively.... I thought Vokes was more significant than Powell,he was the perfect target man which is what Campbell needs alongside him. Better teams will mark Campbell out of the match playing out wide When we've just scored five away from home, where Powell played very well, I just don't see any need to rush into changing it. Maybe Campbell won't ultimately work out wide but on the back of him scoring two, hitting the bar and getting an assist, then I'd rather worry about crossing that bridge if and when we actually, ultimately, need to. Hopefully Verlinden will put in a starring performance at Brentford and give O'Neill a selection headache
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 22:43:09 GMT
And as I said, we were talking about his new deal. Reading between the lines, he’s been offered a deal but negotiations are ongoing. I've just asked you that and you said you weren't talking about a new deal he only said what you'd quoted... which didn't mention anything about a deal? Jesus mate, it’s like you’re trying to trip me up - what are you doing?? I’m just saying that we spoke about him staying and he said he was being messed around. In context we were talking about a new deal.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 2, 2020 23:22:11 GMT
Campbell is in a situation now where he can afford to run his contract out. There will be interest, it will just be a case of how interested we really are, or whether he gets a better offer I guess.
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Post by Linx on Jan 2, 2020 23:35:29 GMT
The way he wriggled through about three defenders and squeezed a shot off that hit the bar reminded me of Arnie. Not seen that from a Stoke player since he left.
I think Big Kev will have a major say in where he ends up. Stoke need to keep his dad onside, not something they’ve been too successful at.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2020 8:15:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 8:38:29 GMT
The elephant in the room is his father. I get the distinct impression from not a lot that he is Paul Ince to the power of ten. Can I say elephant or will he get offended?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 3, 2020 8:50:34 GMT
The elephant in the room is his father. I get the distinct impression from not a lot that he is Paul Ince to the power of ten. Can I say elephant or will he get offended? Not sure that is fair he left manchester city at 16 to get a clearer pathway to the first team is now onto his 5th manager in less than 4 years and hasn't really had a run in the team, if he would leave Citeh because of lack of opportunities he wouldn't think twice about leaving Stoke for the same reasons, on the back of huddersfield game I expect that too change if he nails down a starting place I would expect him to sign up if he is back to 10 minutes here and there he will probably leave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 8:56:10 GMT
The elephant in the room is his father. I get the distinct impression from not a lot that he is Paul Ince to the power of ten. Can I say elephant or will he get offended? Not sure that is fair he left manchester city at 16 to get a clearer pathway to the first team is now onto his 5th manager in less than 4 years and hasn't really had a run in the team, if he would leave Citeh because of lack of opportunities he wouldn't think twice about leaving Stoke for the same reasons, on the back of huddersfield game I expect that too change if he nails down a starting place I would expect him to sign up if he is back to 10 minutes here and there he will probably leave. I totally understand that.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 3, 2020 9:06:14 GMT
I guess it would take an eye watering offer to get him to stay now, one that with our financial constraints we probably can’t afford to make. Add that to his dads utter disdain for the will probably see him starting for another club next season.
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Post by nonameface on Jan 3, 2020 9:56:47 GMT
As others have said, he wants the opportunity to play rather than earn the money instantly. There's a reason he left man city despite being a top goalscorer for their youth teams.
Don't know how both the club and Ty can get enough confidence to create and sign a contract as things stand, but great if it can be done.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 3, 2020 11:24:35 GMT
Money-wise he will clearly be better off by moving with a large signing on fee (due to there being no transfer fee involved).
Plus he has been messed around a bit by the club.
He did well last season in League 1 and was clearly expecting to play more this season.
Theres no chance he will sign up in January - but maybe MON can have an influence over the coming months.
IF we stay up and start looking like a half decent team for next season he may fancy the challenge of a promotion push. He has time on his side to get to the Premier League where he will definitely end up.
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Post by walrus on Jan 3, 2020 11:33:20 GMT
Money-wise he will clearly be better off by moving with a large signing on fee (due to there being no transfer fee involved). Plus he has been messed around a bit by the club. He did well last season in League 1 and was clearly expecting to play more this season. Theres no chance he will sign up in January - but maybe MON can have an influence over the coming months. IF we stay up and start looking like a half decent team for next season he may fancy the challenge of a promotion push. He has time on his side to get to the Premier League where he will definitely end up. Wouldn’t the signing club have to pay a fee agreed by tribunal because of his young age? That’s in effect a transfer fee and would weaken his hand in negotiating a signing on bonus.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 11:45:33 GMT
Money-wise he will clearly be better off by moving with a large signing on fee (due to there being no transfer fee involved). Plus he has been messed around a bit by the club. He did well last season in League 1 and was clearly expecting to play more this season. Theres no chance he will sign up in January - but maybe MON can have an influence over the coming months. IF we stay up and start looking like a half decent team for next season he may fancy the challenge of a promotion push. He has time on his side to get to the Premier League where he will definitely end up. Wouldn’t the signing club have to pay a fee agreed by tribunal because of his young age? That’s in effect a transfer fee and would weaken his hand in negotiating a signing on bonus. Not if he went to Celtic or Rangers, no fee would be involved....,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 12:06:54 GMT
Money-wise he will clearly be better off by moving with a large signing on fee (due to there being no transfer fee involved). Plus he has been messed around a bit by the club. He did well last season in League 1 and was clearly expecting to play more this season. Theres no chance he will sign up in January - but maybe MON can have an influence over the coming months. IF we stay up and start looking like a half decent team for next season he may fancy the challenge of a promotion push. He has time on his side to get to the Premier League where he will definitely end up. Wouldn’t the signing club have to pay a fee agreed by tribunal because of his young age? That’s in effect a transfer fee and would weaken his hand in negotiating a signing on bonus. Around £350,000 if he's out of contract
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 3, 2020 12:43:57 GMT
Had he not scored yesterday he would still have had a good game. There was something very different about his performance yesterday v those in his previous starts. He worked so much harder and showed some intelligence with the positions he took to receive the ball. It was a very positive showing from tyrese and hopefully an indication of his full potential together with what will prove to be our own managers ability to improve players. Playing alongside Powell was also a good move from MON Several things conspired to give Campbell his best opportunity to shine yesterday - and, credit to him, he took every advantage of that opportunity. 2 goals, one assist and one shot which beat the keeper and hit the woodwork is about the best return in one game we have seen from a Stoke striker in years. The things which helped him were: A 4231 formation which suits attacking play - there are 4 players in that formation whose job is clearly to attack, create and score goals. The formation finally give Powell a chance to shine in his natural number 10 position - he repaid us with a goal and a huge amount of movement which created space for the other attacking players. The formation clearly suited Vokes who looked twice the player he has done in his Stoke career. Not only did he score but he had Campbell and Powell able to support him and the 4th goal (Campbell's 2nd) was the sort of goal we have not looked remotely like scoring in any other games this season. Big target man wins header and second striker picks up the ball, is on the shoulder of the final defender, beats him and has the skill to shoot across the keeper into the far corner. I haven't mentioned MaClean amongst the front 4 but he was vital to the way we played. Often criticised for not being cultured enough, he is nevertheless a warrior and, when he is on song, is our Duracell bunny. Our last goal was in many ways the most satisfying of the lot. He takes a short corner in added time, the defence assume we are just playing out the game but MaClean and Gregory have other ideas and Gregory passes back to MaClean and advances into the area to pick up an inch perfect weighted pass from which he scores the 5th goal. I don't know if Gregory and Maclean had planned that on the training pitch or whether they just took advantage of a demoralised defence but as with our 4th goal, it was the sort of goal we haven't been scoring so far this season. What Campbell, Powell and Vokes now have to do is to show the same commitment and cohesion if/when they are given the chance to play in that formation again. We will rarely come up against such an inept defence but the confidence (and the clinical finishing) from yesterday should help us to get good results against better opposition.
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Post by Linx on Jan 3, 2020 13:55:32 GMT
Playing alongside Powell was also a good move from MON Several things conspired to give Campbell his best opportunity to shine yesterday - and, credit to him, he took every advantage of that opportunity. 2 goals, one assist and one shot which beat the keeper and hit the woodwork is about the best return in one game we have seen from a Stoke striker in years. The things which helped him were: A 4231 formation which suits attacking play - there are 4 players in that formation whose job is clearly to attack, create and score goals. The formation finally give Powell a chance to shine in his natural number 10 position - he repaid us with a goal and a huge amount of movement which created space for the other attacking players. The formation clearly suited Vokes who looked twice the player he has done in his Stoke career. Not only did he score but he had Campbell and Powell able to support him and the 4th goal (Campbell's 2nd) was the sort of goal we have not looked remotely like scoring in any other games this season. Big target man wins header and second striker picks up the ball, is on the shoulder of the final defender, beats him and has the skill to shoot across the keeper into the far corner. I haven't mentioned MaClean amongst the front 4 but he was vital to the way we played. Often criticised for not being cultured enough, he is nevertheless a warrior and, when he is on song, is our Duracell bunny. Our last goal was in many ways the most satisfying of the lot. He takes a short corner in added time, the defence assume we are just playing out the game but MaClean and Gregory have other ideas and Gregory passes back to MaClean and advances into the area to pick up an inch perfect weighted pass from which he scores the 5th goal. I don't know if Gregory and Maclean had planned that on the training pitch or whether they just took advantage of a demoralised defence but as with our 4th goal, it was the sort of goal we haven't been scoring so far this season. What Campbell, Powell and Vokes now have to do is to show the same commitment and cohesion if/when they are given the chance to play in that formation again. We will rarely come up against such an inept defence but the confidence (and the clinical finishing) from yesterday should help us to get good results against better opposition. Is your middle name Hansen?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 3, 2020 14:24:16 GMT
Several things conspired to give Campbell his best opportunity to shine yesterday - and, credit to him, he took every advantage of that opportunity. 2 goals, one assist and one shot which beat the keeper and hit the woodwork is about the best return in one game we have seen from a Stoke striker in years. The things which helped him were: A 4231 formation which suits attacking play - there are 4 players in that formation whose job is clearly to attack, create and score goals. The formation finally give Powell a chance to shine in his natural number 10 position - he repaid us with a goal and a huge amount of movement which created space for the other attacking players. The formation clearly suited Vokes who looked twice the player he has done in his Stoke career. Not only did he score but he had Campbell and Powell able to support him and the 4th goal (Campbell's 2nd) was the sort of goal we have not looked remotely like scoring in any other games this season. Big target man wins header and second striker picks up the ball, is on the shoulder of the final defender, beats him and has the skill to shoot across the keeper into the far corner. I haven't mentioned MaClean amongst the front 4 but he was vital to the way we played. Often criticised for not being cultured enough, he is nevertheless a warrior and, when he is on song, is our Duracell bunny. Our last goal was in many ways the most satisfying of the lot. He takes a short corner in added time, the defence assume we are just playing out the game but MaClean and Gregory have other ideas and Gregory passes back to MaClean and advances into the area to pick up an inch perfect weighted pass from which he scores the 5th goal. I don't know if Gregory and Maclean had planned that on the training pitch or whether they just took advantage of a demoralised defence but as with our 4th goal, it was the sort of goal we haven't been scoring so far this season. What Campbell, Powell and Vokes now have to do is to show the same commitment and cohesion if/when they are given the chance to play in that formation again. We will rarely come up against such an inept defence but the confidence (and the clinical finishing) from yesterday should help us to get good results against better opposition. Is your middle name Hansen? "You won't win anything with kids!" Not a theory I subscribe to!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 3, 2020 21:49:19 GMT
Nothing wrong with the process or those that run it The cancer at the heart of the club is because of the "process" and the people who run and specifically the overseer of the whole shit parade Scholes. He has overseen the pissing up the wall of over £100 million on transfers and wages of players who have been toxic and cataclsymic disasters. His "process" is the number one reason we are in the mess we are in. You make that statement as a troll or as an idiot, there is no inbetween Biscuit. I think you may Have missed the irony or my regard for the process o4 the chief executive
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 3, 2020 22:53:54 GMT
The cancer at the heart of the club is because of the "process" and the people who run and specifically the overseer of the whole shit parade Scholes. He has overseen the pissing up the wall of over £100 million on transfers and wages of players who have been toxic and cataclsymic disasters. His "process" is the number one reason we are in the mess we are in. You make that statement as a troll or as an idiot, there is no inbetween Biscuit. I think you may Have missed the irony or my regard for the process o4 the chief executive Honestly mate, I've seen your posts over the last few years and all I've ever seen from you is praise for Big Tony (super Scholes as you've referred to him on more than one occasion). If you want to start rewriting history about how you said this would happen and net spend, I for one am not having it - pull the other one...
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Post by thisisouryear on Jan 4, 2020 10:07:01 GMT
I would be very surprised if he renewed his contract given his father's criticism of our clubs handling if him. He's a top talent and should be played more but as a winger whilst he is here.
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Post by skip on Jan 4, 2020 13:29:13 GMT
The elephant in the room is his father. I get the distinct impression from not a lot that he is Paul Ince to the power of ten. Can I say elephant or will he get offended?<thinks> yep. Elephants are grey animals. <checks with mind again> yep, you're good with grey animals.
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Post by Jimm on Jan 4, 2020 13:39:58 GMT
Starts today
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 13:06:03 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 6, 2020 13:50:13 GMT
There wasnt a cat in hells chance of Campbell staying at stoke beyond this season and there is even less of one now I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 14:11:19 GMT
If there's a number of clubs in for him will there be a bidding war or is it a fixed £350,000 because of his age and out of contract ? Assuming no one comes in for him this window
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 6, 2020 14:21:48 GMT
If there's a number of clubs in for him will there be a bidding war or is it a fixed £350,000 because of his age and out of contract ? Assuming no one comes in for him this window It depends where he goes. There will be no bidding war unless people want to sign him this January. If he moves in the summer abroad (Scotland is included) he will go for a poxy training fee set by FIFA. So 350k sounds about right, it might be less though. If he moves in England then a tribunal will set the fee, as what happened when we signed him. So we'd be looking at 2/3 million I reckon from that. But that's a lottery.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 6, 2020 14:22:42 GMT
Joke city f.c strike again if he goes.
Should be signing up our youngsters not giving them away
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 14:29:17 GMT
If there's a number of clubs in for him will there be a bidding war or is it a fixed £350,000 because of his age and out of contract ? Assuming no one comes in for him this window If he went abroad, looks like it'd be a set fee of around that. But if he stayed in England, presumably it'd go to a normal tribunal for an out-of-contract u23 player. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/man-city-transfer-news-campbell-13294881It'd be interesting to see what he'd be valued at given what we paid in 2017. We've paid about £1m so far
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Post by RF10 on Jan 6, 2020 14:34:24 GMT
Joke city f.c strike again if he goes. Should be signing up our youngsters not giving them away How do you sign someone up who's doesn't want to sign?
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