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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 2, 2020 11:05:22 GMT
Quite a bit has been said about his first goal for obvious reasons but not much about his second. The control and placement was fantastic. Let’s hope he keeps Ince out.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 2, 2020 11:31:16 GMT
The key to it is consistently delivering performances of note.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 11:39:47 GMT
The key to it is consistently delivering performances of note. We don’t have senior pros that do that. Why is that an expectation of a young lad learning the game?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 12:05:13 GMT
We know he can finish.The key is to get him in those positions consistently and more importantly get him the service consistently. He lasted 90 minutes so that monkey is off his back now
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jan 2, 2020 12:16:27 GMT
The key to it is consistently delivering performances of note. We don’t have senior pros that do that. Why is that an expectation of a young lad learning the game? Bang on we've got plenty of mid twenties to early thirties players with hundreds of games to their names who can't manage it. If we are going to try and reduce to the age of the squad and build for a more sustainable future then we definitely need to accept younger players will be hit and miss. The players themselves have obviously got to step up but we need a manager and coaching staff who know when to take a player out of the firing line and when to drop them in. Also what tactics to deploy when using said player (there's no use trying to use Campbell as a target man as its never been his game). We also need to mix that youth with some quality experienced senior players as well. Clearly Shawcross benefitted massively from sitting alongside Faye. It would be nice to see him be able to do that with Collins or Souttar.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 12:18:42 GMT
We don’t have senior pros that do that. Why is that an expectation of a young lad learning the game? Bang on we've got plenty of mid twenties to early thirties players with hundreds of games to their names who can't manage it. If we are going to try and reduce to the age of the squad and build for a more sustainable future then we definitely need to accept younger players will be hit and miss. The players themselves have obviously got to step up but we need a manager and coaching staff who know when to take a player out of the firing line and when to drop them in. Also what tactics to deploy when using said player (there's no use trying to use Campbell as a target man as its never been his game). We also need to mix that youth with some quality experienced senior players as well. Clearly Shawcross benefitted massively from sitting alongside Faye. It would be nice to see him be able to do that with Collins or Souttar. Completely agree. There’s not one senior pro who has had a consistent (in a good way) season. About the best has been Clucas but even then I don’t think he’s been consistent.
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Post by Widget123 on Jan 2, 2020 12:28:18 GMT
He doesn't contribute much but boy can he finish. I don't see him as a right winger,he doesn't do any defensive work at all.He's an out and out striker and we should play to his strengths, alongside a target man Great strikers conserve energy Might be true but great strikers also play in leagues where the game is slower and you can afford a passenger in games waiting for a moment of genius. The Championship is a monkey knife fight of a league and requires all players to be part of a team. The best players in this league are all team players rather than mercurial genius'. That said I preferred him yesterday to Ince by about 1000% I really hope he can make the place his own over the next six months.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 2, 2020 12:29:02 GMT
Bang on we've got plenty of mid twenties to early thirties players with hundreds of games to their names who can't manage it. If we are going to try and reduce to the age of the squad and build for a more sustainable future then we definitely need to accept younger players will be hit and miss. The players themselves have obviously got to step up but we need a manager and coaching staff who know when to take a player out of the firing line and when to drop them in. Also what tactics to deploy when using said player (there's no use trying to use Campbell as a target man as its never been his game). We also need to mix that youth with some quality experienced senior players as well. Clearly Shawcross benefitted massively from sitting alongside Faye. It would be nice to see him be able to do that with Collins or Souttar. Completely agree. There’s not one senior pro who has had a consistent (in a good way) season. About the best has been Clucas but even then I don’t think he’s been consistent. I don't think Clucas has been that consistent either. There have been so many games where he has had very little impact and where the midfield was overrun. His season is definitely improving like a few others at the moment. But like you say, no consistency from any of our players so far. The criticism of Campbell has been unfairly influenced by his father's comments I think. We should expect some inconsistency from youngsters who are learning in a very competitive league. Its normal. If he was banging in goals every time he played he wouldn't be here for very long. He's the best finisher we have in the club by a mile. I hope we can keep hold of him tbh.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 2, 2020 12:32:46 GMT
The key to it is consistently delivering performances of note. We don’t have senior pros that do that. Why is that an expectation of a young lad learning the game? Because the alternative is, performances that don’t hit the mark. To succeed at anything in life you need to deliver, that goes for the senior pros too. I don’t expect miracles with TC and it’s not a criticism, just saying it would be good if he backs it up. So far it’s been limited if we are honest. Like you say his peers have been poor too but we need ambition and goals in life (excuse pun)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 12:36:15 GMT
We don’t have senior pros that do that. Why is that an expectation of a young lad learning the game? Because the alternative is, performances that don’t hit the mark. To succeed at anything in life you need to deliver, that goes for the senior pros too. I don’t expect miracles with TC and it’s not a criticism, just saying it would be good if he backs it up. So far it’s been limited if we are honest. Like you say his peers have been poor too but we need ambition and goals in life (excuse pun) I think he’s shown more than people give him credit for. There’s no patience with young players and there does seem a higher standard being set for them. I don’t expect consistent performances from him at all tbh. I think it’s pretty unreasonable to expect that too. Rashford is one of the best young strikers in the game but he’s inconsistent as anything.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 2, 2020 12:48:34 GMT
Some sharp insight all around here....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 20:43:17 GMT
I spoke to Campbell’s agent via a good friend of mine tonight (this is all true, no reason for me to bullshit). Word for word:
“Tye might still stay at Stoke, but they need to stop messing him about”
Not groundbreaking I know, but typical of Stoke not just getting things done.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 2, 2020 20:45:11 GMT
I spoke to Campbell’s agent via a good friend of mine tonight (this is all true, no reason for me to bullshit). Word for word: “Tye might still stay at Stoke, but they need to stop messing him about” Not groundbreaking I know, but typical of Stoke not just getting things done. Nothing wrong with the process or those that run it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 20:46:11 GMT
I spoke to Campbell’s agent via a good friend of mine tonight (this is all true, no reason for me to bullshit). Word for word: “Tye might still stay at Stoke, but they need to stop messing him about” Not groundbreaking I know, but typical of Stoke not just getting things done. Nothing wrong with the process or those that run it Nothing wrong with the way Scholes and co do business?
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Post by Veritas on Jan 2, 2020 21:09:32 GMT
Let's not carried away, he has one excellent game and now many on this site have him down as the new Pele. I think he does look like a natural finisher but he has also more often looked like a lazy lightweight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 21:21:40 GMT
Let's not carried away, he has one excellent game and now many on this site have him down as the new Pele. I think he does look like a natural finisher but he has also more often looked like a lazy lightweight. I agree with you, and I’m the first to be cynical - particularly about Stoke youth players... ...but... Against Huddersfield he was given a full match (pretty rare), some very specific instructions and some support. It’s a formula that’s bound to work for a lad with pace and an eye for goal. I think we’ve seen enough of him to conclude he’s worth his place in the team and build some momentum - on paper he’s got the lot, now he needs minutes, confidence and improve his decision making. For me, he’s got a bright future if he stays fit and is well managed - and at the moment he’s showing what he can do when it all aligns.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2020 21:22:38 GMT
Let's not carried away, he has one excellent game and now many on this site have him down as the new Pele. I think he does look like a natural finisher but he has also more often looked like a lazy lightweight. Had he not scored yesterday he would still have had a good game. There was something very different about his performance yesterday v those in his previous starts. He worked so much harder and showed some intelligence with the positions he took to receive the ball. It was a very positive showing from tyrese and hopefully an indication of his full potential together with what will prove to be our own managers ability to improve players.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 2, 2020 21:26:33 GMT
Let's not carried away, he has one excellent game and now many on this site have him down as the new Pele. I think he does look like a natural finisher but he has also more often looked like a lazy lightweight. Had he not scored yesterday he would still have had a good game. There was something very different about his performance yesterday v those in his previous starts. He worked so much harder and showed some intelligence with the positions he took to receive the ball. It was a very positive showing from tyrese and hopefully an indication of his full potential together with what will prove to be our own managers ability to improve players. Playing alongside Powell was also a good move from MON
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jan 2, 2020 21:28:26 GMT
Nothing wrong with the process or those that run it Nothing wrong with the way Scholes and co do business? Maybe messing him around refers to swapping managers like pairs of trainers and him getting more than the odd 10 minute cameo once a month. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 21:29:18 GMT
Nothing wrong with the way Scholes and co do business? Maybe messing him around refers to swapping managers like pairs of trainers and him getting more than the odd 10 minute cameo once a month. Just a thought. He was talking about doing a deal
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jan 2, 2020 21:30:25 GMT
Maybe messing him around refers to swapping managers like pairs of trainers and him getting more than the odd 10 minute cameo once a month. Just a thought. He was talking about doing a deal So he hasn't been offered one?
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Post by Macko on Jan 2, 2020 21:36:13 GMT
I spoke to Campbell’s agent via a good friend of mine tonight (this is all true, no reason for me to bullshit). Word for word: “Tye might still stay at Stoke, but they need to stop messing him about” Not groundbreaking I know, but typical of Stoke not just getting things done. Nothing wrong with the process or those that run it The cancer at the heart of the club is because of the "process" and the people who run and specifically the overseer of the whole shit parade Scholes. He has overseen the pissing up the wall of over £100 million on transfers and wages of players who have been toxic and cataclsymic disasters. His "process" is the number one reason we are in the mess we are in. You make that statement as a troll or as an idiot, there is no inbetween Biscuit.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 2, 2020 21:40:38 GMT
He doesn't contribute much but boy can he finish. I don't see him as a right winger,he doesn't do any defensive work at all.He's an out and out striker and we should play to his strengths, alongside a target man If you play Campbell in a front two with a target man, where would Powell play?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 21:41:40 GMT
He was talking about doing a deal So he hasn't been offered one? He didn’t say, just said what I posted before
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 21:46:08 GMT
He doesn't contribute much but boy can he finish. I don't see him as a right winger,he doesn't do any defensive work at all.He's an out and out striker and we should play to his strengths, alongside a target man If you play Campbell in a front two with a target man, where would Powell play? At the head of the diamond 😂 He wouldn't is the real answer, McClean and Verlinden out wide in a 4-4-2
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jan 2, 2020 21:51:18 GMT
So he hasn't been offered one? He didn’t say, just said what I posted before So as I said ... messing him around could refer to the manager situation and lack of playing time, not that he hasn't been offered an acceptable deal?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 2, 2020 21:51:40 GMT
If you play Campbell in a front two with a target man, where would Powell play? At the head of the diamond 😂 He wouldn't is the real answer, McClean and Verlinden out wide in a 4-4-2 I thought Powell (playing in that position) played a significant part in how well we played yesterday. I'd really like to see that continue. For me Campbell either stays on the right, or he replaces Vokes, with Verlinden replacing him on the wing. If Powell is injured, then yeah 442.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 21:56:52 GMT
At the head of the diamond 😂 He wouldn't is the real answer, McClean and Verlinden out wide in a 4-4-2 I thought Powell (playing in that position) played a significant part in how well we played yesterday. I'd really like to see that continue. For me Campbell either stays on the right, or he replaces Vokes, with Verlinden replacing him on the wing. If Powell is injured, then yeah 442. Campbell as a lone striker ? Can't see that working unless he improves his hold up play massively.... I thought Vokes was more significant than Powell,he was the perfect target man which is what Campbell needs alongside him. Better teams will mark Campbell out of the match playing out wide
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 22:01:45 GMT
He didn’t say, just said what I posted before So as I said ... messing him around could refer to the manager situation and lack of playing time, not that he hasn't been offered an acceptable deal? And as I said, we were talking about his new deal. Reading between the lines, he’s been offered a deal but negotiations are ongoing.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jan 2, 2020 22:04:00 GMT
So as I said ... messing him around could refer to the manager situation and lack of playing time, not that he hasn't been offered an acceptable deal? And as I said, we were talking about his new deal. Reading between the lines, he’s been offered a deal but negotiations are ongoing. I've just asked you that and you said you weren't talking about a new deal he only said what you'd quoted... which didn't mention anything about a deal?
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