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Post by jeycov on Jan 21, 2020 22:17:03 GMT
We can choose to keep him until the end of the season ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 22:20:01 GMT
If sheff utd come in could we try and tempt Billy sharp come our way Do people really a think an ancient 5"9 Billy Sharp is the answer at striker, we do not want United's offcuts. They're a team that do well because of how good their system is.
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Post by callas12 on Jan 21, 2020 22:22:13 GMT
Rangers don't have the money to put in a block buster offer, just media shit, and I would be amazed if they could offer better wages then Stoke irrelevant of FFP, Rooney won't be on peanuts at Derby , I would have thought Celtic where in a better position then Rangers money wise. The wages Rooney earns will be fudged into the accounts anyway so wont be affecting their FFP. The appointment of him as a 'Player Coach' sorted that little deal out, its the only way they could afford his astronomical wages & it not be considered to be breaching FFP as staff wages arent taken in to account. I can well imagine the only thing Rooney does on the Derby training ground is handing out the bibs & placing out the cones! Another Mel Morris masterstroke!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 21, 2020 22:37:02 GMT
Blockbuster move...to Glasgow. The very definition of hyperbole.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 22, 2020 9:42:49 GMT
If sheff utd come in could we try and tempt Billy sharp come our way Do people really a think an ancient 5"9 Billy Sharp is the answer at striker, we do not want United's offcuts. They're a team that do well because of how good their system is. Yes. He’s been a an outstanding striker at this level for over a decade at different clubs using different systems.
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Post by neddy on Jan 22, 2020 9:44:33 GMT
Agree but if he signed pre contract and it was obvious he was off I can’t see we’d play him would we?
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Post by jeycov on Jan 22, 2020 10:03:08 GMT
Agree but if he signed pre contract and it was obvious he was off I can’t see we’d play him would we? Be silly not to include him unless he'd have little or no commitment to our cause
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 22, 2020 10:09:32 GMT
If sheff utd come in could we try and tempt Billy sharp come our way Do people really a think an ancient 5"9 Billy Sharp is the answer at striker, we do not want United's offcuts. They're a team that do well because of how good their system is. I'd take 8 million and Billy sharp off Sheffield utd quite happily
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jan 22, 2020 10:09:56 GMT
What's latest injury wise?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 10:23:14 GMT
If you think about any potential signing on fee. If he goes now, and say, gets 10% of £500,000.
He could be worth £2m-£3m in 12 months time. He looks like he's developing into the type of striker we've been crying out for. So, if that continues, he becomes our main striker.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 22, 2020 10:26:59 GMT
Do people really a think an ancient 5"9 Billy Sharp is the answer at striker, we do not want United's offcuts. They're a team that do well because of how good their system is. I'd take 8 million and Billy sharp off Sheffield utd quite happily If he goes Sheffield Untied it will be on a pre-contract basis, they wouldn’t need to approach us at all and would only have to pay the tribunal fee. Which I doubt being as though 8 million is the record and that was for an established striker in Danny Ings.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 22, 2020 11:46:05 GMT
I'd take 8 million and Billy sharp off Sheffield utd quite happily If he goes Sheffield Untied it will be on a pre-contract basis, they wouldn’t need to approach us at all and would only have to pay the tribunal fee. Which I doubt being as though 8 million is the record and that was for an established striker in Danny Ings. Except he cant sign a pre contract with another english club only an overseas club he could of course verbally agree a contract, from what I have seen he simply wants to play and hopefully is smart enough to realise he is now pretty much first choice striker, move to another club and he slips down the order in 12-18 months team he should be expecting to play regular premiership football either with us getting or promoted or because of his performances / goals scored, moving this summer could very well result in a longer wait.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 22, 2020 11:51:06 GMT
If he goes Sheffield Untied it will be on a pre-contract basis, they wouldn’t need to approach us at all and would only have to pay the tribunal fee. Which I doubt being as though 8 million is the record and that was for an established striker in Danny Ings. Except he cant sign a pre contract with another english club only an overseas club he could of course verbally agree a contract, from what I have seen he simply wants to play and hopefully is smart enough to realise he is now pretty much first choice striker, move to another club and he slips down the order in 12-18 months team he should be expecting to play regular premiership football either with us getting or promoted or because of his performances / goals scored, moving this summer could very well result in a longer wait. Yeah the thrust I was getting at was that we'd be at the whim of the tribunal and that there's no way we're getting 8 million and Billy Sharp by selling him in this window when Sheffield United can just offer a verbal deal and he'll go in the summer for whatever the Compensation Committee decides. It depends on how much he believes in his ability, personally I think he'd be an odd fit at Sheffield United, they tend to buy player who can operate in non-traditional roles when to me Tyrese looks like a classic poaching striker type. I think at Rangers he'd get more than a fair shake given the age of Defoe and Morelos likely being targeted in the summer. That's the absolute worse case scenario though, a few 100k would be scandalous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 11:56:32 GMT
If sheff utd come in could we try and tempt Billy sharp come our way Do people really a think an ancient 5"9 Billy Sharp is the answer at striker, we do not want United's offcuts. They're a team that do well because of how good their system is. He's back in their 1st team
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 12:02:15 GMT
Do people really a think an ancient 5"9 Billy Sharp is the answer at striker, we do not want United's offcuts. They're a team that do well because of how good their system is. He's back in their 1st team It's a two striker formation, his role there is purely to finish and nothing else. In a 4-3-3 your player needs more to his game, what would Billy Sharp have done for us against WBA? Can't get in behind, not got the legs to constantly pressure and he can't hold the ball and create well/at all.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 22, 2020 12:05:20 GMT
Do people really a think an ancient 5"9 Billy Sharp is the answer at striker, we do not want United's offcuts. They're a team that do well because of how good their system is. He's back in their 1st team TBF that was his first start and Wilder is resting his squad (Lundstram dropped to the bench etc) he's behind Mousset, McBurnine and McGoldrick in the pecking order and is getting on a bit. I can see him being content with just seeing his contract out until 2021 at a club he loves when he'll be 35 and probably retiring.
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Post by Davef on Jan 22, 2020 12:34:07 GMT
Oh I agree, we've been far too willing to let managers sign players instead of insisting the youth get looked at, like signing CCV on loan was just putting another block infront of Collins. Is he or is he not on charge of contracts very simple A very valuable asset has run his contest down see Nzonzi , lessons learned ? Oh, he's a "very valuable asset" now is he? If it was left to you and few other experts on here, Tyrese would be currently halfway through a season-long loan at Grimsby.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 22, 2020 12:40:04 GMT
Rangers don't have the money to put in a block buster offer, just media shit, and I would be amazed if they could offer better wages then Stoke irrelevant of FFP, Rooney won't be on peanuts at Derby , I would have thought Celtic where in a better position then Rangers money wise. The wages Rooney earns will be fudged into the accounts anyway so wont be affecting their FFP. The appointment of him as a 'Player Coach' sorted that little deal out, its the only way they could afford his astronomical wages & it not be considered to be breaching FFP as staff wages arent taken in to account. I can well imagine the only thing Rooney does on the Derby training ground is handing out the bibs & placing out the cones! Another Mel Morris masterstroke! O.K let's make half our squad "player coaches".
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Post by nott1 on Jan 22, 2020 12:42:04 GMT
He's back in their 1st team It's a two striker formation, his role there is purely to finish and nothing else. In a 4-3-3 your player needs more to his game, what would Billy Sharp have done for us against WBA? Can't get in behind, not got the legs to constantly pressure and he can't hold the ball and create well/at all. He's a proven striker over the whole of his career and may well have taken some of the other chances we had!
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 22, 2020 12:42:38 GMT
Except he cant sign a pre contract with another english club only an overseas club he could of course verbally agree a contract, from what I have seen he simply wants to play and hopefully is smart enough to realise he is now pretty much first choice striker, move to another club and he slips down the order in 12-18 months team he should be expecting to play regular premiership football either with us getting or promoted or because of his performances / goals scored, moving this summer could very well result in a longer wait. Yeah the thrust I was getting at was that we'd be at the whim of the tribunal and that there's no way we're getting 8 million and Billy Sharp by selling him in this window when Sheffield United can just offer a verbal deal and he'll go in the summer for whatever the Compensation Committee decides. It depends on how much he believes in his ability, personally I think he'd be an odd fit at Sheffield United, they tend to buy player who can operate in non-traditional roles when to me Tyrese looks like a classic poaching striker type. I think at Rangers he'd get more than a fair shake given the age of Defoe and Morelos likely being targeted in the summer. That's the absolute worse case scenario though, a few 100k would be scandalous. Agreed we are not getting £8m at a tribunal but if its sheff united it would have to take into account the £1m+ we paid, his improvement but any fee would have to be full of add ons to get anywhere near what he is worth. If he wants to go and play sunday football its £400k. I really dont see scotland as a smart move Sinclair scored loads and has gone to preston, gary hooper ended up at norwich its an average league with poor defenders unless he is going to score 50 or 60 a season it'll gain him less attention than 20 goals in a championship season.
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2020 12:43:06 GMT
Oh I agree, we've been far too willing to let managers sign players instead of insisting the youth get looked at, like signing CCV on loan was just putting another block infront of Collins. Is he or is he not on charge of contracts very simple A very valuable asset has run his contest down see Nzonzi , lessons learned ? Just to put you right Nzonzi was offered a contract at every window but he made it clear he wanted to move on so wouldn’t enter negotiations....it’s a well known fact Stoke offered better terms than Seville but he wanted to play abroad Campbell has refused to enter negotiations before now as he wanted regular football How many times this needs pointing out ( especially Nzonzi ) is fucking mind blowing
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 22, 2020 12:44:40 GMT
Is he or is he not on charge of contracts very simple A very valuable asset has run his contest down see Nzonzi , lessons learned ? Oh, he's a "very valuable asset" now is he? If it was left to you and few other experts on here, Tyrese would be currently halfway through a season-long loan at Grimsby. So do you think Abraham’s and Mount has contracts unning down at Derby and villa respectively . Assets you have pod for need protecting whether a loan is part of their development or not
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 22, 2020 12:47:11 GMT
Is he or is he not on charge of contracts very simple A very valuable asset has run his contest down see Nzonzi , lessons learned ? Just to put you right Nzonzi was offered a contract at every window but he made it clear he wanted to move on so wouldn’t enter negotiations....it’s a well known fact Stoke offered better terms than Seville but he wanted to play abroad Campbell has refused to enter negotiations before now as he wanted regular football How many times this needs pointing out ( especially Nzonzi ) is fucking mind blowing How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value .
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 22, 2020 12:49:56 GMT
Oh, he's a "very valuable asset" now is he? If it was left to you and few other experts on here, Tyrese would be currently halfway through a season-long loan at Grimsby. So do you think Abraham’s and Mount has contracts unning down at Derby and villa respectively . Assets you have pod for need protecting whether a loan is part of their development or not You've changed your tune in less than 5 months He’s calling the manager and the club out rightly: It’s a shambolic mess. Fundamentally disagree there was a clamour for the boy to play before he went on loan and yet when he did he failed to make an impact . He needs knuckle down and prove he’s worth the contract he wants Dad might think he should be in the team but then so do the other 25 dads
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Post by adi on Jan 22, 2020 12:53:05 GMT
So do you think Abraham’s and Mount has contracts unning down at Derby and villa respectively . Assets you have pod for need protecting whether a loan is part of their development or not You've changed your tune in less than 5 months Fundamentally disagree there was a clamour for the boy to play before he went on loan and yet when he did he failed to make an impact . He needs knuckle down and prove he’s worth the contract he wants Dad might think he should be in the team but then so do the other 25 dads Priceless. Best not to feed the troll.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 22, 2020 12:53:10 GMT
So do you think Abraham’s and Mount has contracts unning down at Derby and villa respectively . Assets you have pod for need protecting whether a loan is part of their development or not You've changed your tune in less than 5 months Fundamentally disagree there was a clamour for the boy to play before he went on loan and yet when he did he failed to make an impact . He needs knuckle down and prove he’s worth the contract he wants Dad might think he should be in the team but then so do the other 25 dads Not at all loan or not he’s an asset that needed its value protecting see Southampton . Why offer Edwards 4 years and let Campbell run down someone is paid circa £1’m a year to make these decisions and got yet another one wrong
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 22, 2020 12:53:34 GMT
Yeah the thrust I was getting at was that we'd be at the whim of the tribunal and that there's no way we're getting 8 million and Billy Sharp by selling him in this window when Sheffield United can just offer a verbal deal and he'll go in the summer for whatever the Compensation Committee decides. It depends on how much he believes in his ability, personally I think he'd be an odd fit at Sheffield United, they tend to buy player who can operate in non-traditional roles when to me Tyrese looks like a classic poaching striker type. I think at Rangers he'd get more than a fair shake given the age of Defoe and Morelos likely being targeted in the summer. That's the absolute worse case scenario though, a few 100k would be scandalous. Agreed we are not getting £8m at a tribunal but if its sheff united it would have to take into account the £1m+ we paid, his improvement but any fee would have to be full of add ons to get anywhere near what he is worth. If he wants to go and play sunday football its £400k. I really dont see scotland as a smart move Sinclair scored loads and has gone to preston, gary hooper ended up at norwich its an average league with poor defenders unless he is going to score 50 or 60 a season it'll gain him less attention than 20 goals in a championship season. Sinclair was 27 when he went there in fairness, his career is unlikely to have an upward trajectory at that point. Hooper was way more established as a lower league striker than Tyrese and spent one season too long there. In recent years you've had the likes of Morelos, Edouard, Dembele etc all really raise their profile. Also, I don't think you can discount the impact that the prospect of working with Gerrard at Rangers could have on a young player's decision. I really hope he doesn't want to, but unless we give him a fat contract, guarantee to play him (which it seems we have before and not) etc I can't see him staying.
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2020 12:56:11 GMT
Just to put you right Nzonzi was offered a contract at every window but he made it clear he wanted to move on so wouldn’t enter negotiations....it’s a well known fact Stoke offered better terms than Seville but he wanted to play abroad Campbell has refused to enter negotiations before now as he wanted regular football How many times this needs pointing out ( especially Nzonzi ) is fucking mind blowing How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . Fucking hells fire I’m sure you can’t be this stupid and are just on a wind up I’m not bothering getting into it with you
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 22, 2020 12:56:22 GMT
Just to put you right Nzonzi was offered a contract at every window but he made it clear he wanted to move on so wouldn’t enter negotiations....it’s a well known fact Stoke offered better terms than Seville but he wanted to play abroad Campbell has refused to enter negotiations before now as he wanted regular football How many times this needs pointing out ( especially Nzonzi ) is fucking mind blowing How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . Arnie ? Do you mean the same Marko Arnoutovic who we signed for 2 Million scored 22 premier league goals in 125 appearances and sold for 24 Million ? The same Arnie who West Ham signed for 24 Million scored 21 premier league goals in 59 appearances and they sold him for 22.4 Million ? That Arnie ?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 22, 2020 12:56:54 GMT
Just to put you right Nzonzi was offered a contract at every window but he made it clear he wanted to move on so wouldn’t enter negotiations....it’s a well known fact Stoke offered better terms than Seville but he wanted to play abroad Campbell has refused to enter negotiations before now as he wanted regular football How many times this needs pointing out ( especially Nzonzi ) is fucking mind blowing How many times it needs saying The end results of Nzonzi , Shaq and arnie was they were either sold under market value in a escalating marker or sold to a direct rival simple truth . look at Southampton to see how assets can be protected and used to create value . Players aren't assets - they're people. An inanimate object can be sold without any choice in the matter. A person can walk. Southampton's players either don't want to go or have received an offer they're happy with. Ours want to go and all we can do is make the best of it. Southampton are 9th in the Premier league. We're 4th bottom of the Championship. The situation has nothing to do with protecting our assets and everything to do with our league position.
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