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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 13, 2020 17:58:45 GMT
Can someone ask why we are so quick getting etebo & ndiaye out on loan at the beginning of january without leaving it late if needed to sell them at 'over inflated' january prices before loaning them out on deadline day if nothing materialises Hindsight is wonderful! If left late still might not find a buyer at ANY price (over-inflated or under-inflated) and similarly we might not get any loan offers on deadline day as clubs may have made their all loans before then. A loan IN the club is worth two not available. If we were left with unsold/unloaned players on deadline day BECAUSE we were playing 'who blinks first' with buyers, there would be an almighty row on here. So you make a judgement as to whether or not to accept offers whne they arise - you could be right but you could be equally wrong. It's not hindsight though really is it BS, how do you expect to sell players if you are loaning them out as soon as the window opens?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2020 18:30:14 GMT
Hindsight is wonderful! If left late still might not find a buyer at ANY price (over-inflated or under-inflated) and similarly we might not get any loan offers on deadline day as clubs may have made their all loans before then. A loan IN the club is worth two not available. If we were left with unsold/unloaned players on deadline day BECAUSE we were playing 'who blinks first' with buyers, there would be an almighty row on here. So you make a judgement as to whether or not to accept offers whne they arise - you could be right but you could be equally wrong. It's not hindsight though really is it BS, how do you expect to sell players if you are loaning them out as soon as the window opens? It says more about the players than the club.
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Post by waffles on Jan 13, 2020 18:32:18 GMT
I feel physically sick.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 13, 2020 19:10:58 GMT
Good grief, we are in massive shit aren't we. My goodness what a mess. And yet we still carry on by the looks of it by potentially letting a very promising youngster go for pretty much nothing and yet players who are not even in the squad are on crazy wages who no one wants Nothing wrong with the ongoing process indeed. It is beyond incompetent how the board have over seen this fall which looks like not stopping anytime soon even if we stay up because the legacy of poor recruitment and over inflated contracts and wages weighs around our neck for the foreseeable future What indeed is all the fuss about Well done one and all Shocking stuff
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2020 19:17:21 GMT
And to think we had posters on here saying FFP won’t affect us 🙄
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 13, 2020 19:19:11 GMT
And to think we had posters on here saying FFP won’t affect us 🙄 Indeed
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 13, 2020 19:20:34 GMT
No worries, Tony has a list as long as his arm of tasty free transfers that are itching to join us.
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 13, 2020 19:25:27 GMT
Good grief, we are in massive shit aren't we. There's no fooling you is there Sheikh?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 13, 2020 19:29:34 GMT
I think it's the first time since I started following Stoke that I think all our players are up for sale for the right price, and the "funniest" part is that it doesn't worry me at all who will leave of them.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2020 19:32:10 GMT
Good grief, we are in massive shit aren't we. There's no fooling you is there Sheikh? Just the sort of situation that should get your chief exec a pay rise...….only at Stoke.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 13, 2020 19:34:15 GMT
I think it's the first time since I started following Stoke that I think all our players are up for sale for the right price, and the "funniest" part is that it doesn't worry me at all who will leave of them. We said the same on Saturday X has been sold meh
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 13, 2020 19:59:33 GMT
It's not hindsight though really is it BS, how do you expect to sell players if you are loaning them out as soon as the window opens? It says more about the players than the club. Does it though pugsley, you wouldn't have known by badou performances on the pitch and etebos on pitch attitude
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Post by baystokie on Jan 13, 2020 20:51:55 GMT
Hindsight is wonderful! If left late still might not find a buyer at ANY price (over-inflated or under-inflated) and similarly we might not get any loan offers on deadline day as clubs may have made their all loans before then. A loan IN the club is worth two not available. If we were left with unsold/unloaned players on deadline day BECAUSE we were playing 'who blinks first' with buyers, there would be an almighty row on here. So you make a judgement as to whether or not to accept offers whne they arise - you could be right but you could be equally wrong. It's not hindsight though really is it BS, how do you expect to sell players if you are loaning them out as soon as the window opens? Equally, how do you know you are going to get any buying offers? If you don't, you will then regret not loaning them when you had the earlier chance. That's why I mentioned making a judgement at the time. You could be proved right or wrong, nobody has a crystal ball to guarantee being right. Could be 'he who dares wins' - or doesn't win.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2020 20:57:55 GMT
It says more about the players than the club. Does it though pugsley, you wouldn't have known by badou performances on the pitch and etebos on pitch attitude If I was being harsh I'd call them both a pair of disruptive, up their own arses, cunts, if I was being a bit nicer I'd settle just for a pair of cunts.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2020 20:59:43 GMT
It's not hindsight though really is it BS, how do you expect to sell players if you are loaning them out as soon as the window opens? Equally, how do you know you are going to get any buying offers? If you don't, you will then regret not loaning them when you had the earlier chance. That's why I mentioned making a judgement at the time. You could be proved right or wrong, nobody has a crystal ball to guarantee being right. Could be 'he who dares wins' - or doesn't win. Certainly true for N'Diaye. He's wanted out since last summer and we couldn't get anyone to give us any money for him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2020 21:00:41 GMT
Play Diouf.
Striker issue solved. Marvellous.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 13, 2020 22:33:50 GMT
No worries, Tony has a list as long as his arm of tasty free transfers that are itching to join us. Would you know if we have watched them all 25 times and if so will he be requiring a further salary increase for doing anything about it 😉.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2020 7:18:52 GMT
And to think we had posters on here saying FFP won’t affect us 🙄 Absolutely none of this is new though. The accounts looked way better given our spending and the players we still have. When we were signing people last season, FFP was always a thought but a distant one it has to be said. It didn’t make any sense what we were doing. But what made less sense was keeping Butland and Allen. All our FFP ills solved in two goes. This now is par for the course and what we need tbh. It might get the club working hard again and not being lazy. But it’s nothing not expected. And indeed we’re way better off than I thought we would be all things considered.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 14, 2020 7:35:56 GMT
And to think we had posters on here saying FFP won’t affect us 🙄 Absolutely none of this is new though. The accounts looked way better given our spending and the players we still have. When we were signing people last season, FFP was always a thought but a distant one it has to be said. It didn’t make any sense what we were doing. But what made less sense was keeping Butland and Allen. All our FFP ills solved in two goes. This now is par for the course and what we need tbh. It might get the club working hard again and not being lazy. But it’s nothing not expected. And indeed we’re way better off than I thought we would be all things considered. Not cashing in on Butland straight after relegation when the likes of Krul were available on a free and various young keepers were available for loans or a fraction of butland’s worth at the time just shows how arrogant & lacking in ideas our club is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2020 7:51:44 GMT
Absolutely none of this is new though. The accounts looked way better given our spending and the players we still have. When we were signing people last season, FFP was always a thought but a distant one it has to be said. It didn’t make any sense what we were doing. But what made less sense was keeping Butland and Allen. All our FFP ills solved in two goes. This now is par for the course and what we need tbh. It might get the club working hard again and not being lazy. But it’s nothing not expected. And indeed we’re way better off than I thought we would be all things considered. Not cashing in on Butland straight after relegation when the likes of Krul were available on a free and various young keepers were available for loans or a fraction of butland’s worth at the time just shows how arrogant & lacking in ideas our club is. Yeah Krul is the one I would have gone for too. It just made sense.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 14, 2020 7:56:36 GMT
Does it though pugsley, you wouldn't have known by badou performances on the pitch and etebos on pitch attitude If I was being harsh I'd call them both a pair of disruptive, up their own arses, cunts, if I was being a bit nicer I'd settle just for a pair of cunts.You’ll make them both blush...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2020 11:54:12 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2020 12:27:20 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-transfers-live-oneill-hogan-37800731st Question: Are there any other players that are out of contract this summer we need to be careful on? (Matt Finney, Derby)
Hi Matt and thanks for kicking us off. This is obviously a reference to Tyrese Campbell, who’se thankfully signed up now. Mame Diouf and Adam Federici are two names that spring to mind and it’s safe to assume we will see the last of Mame come the end of the season. But hopefully he’s got one more injury-time winner in the locker somewhere. Does it look like we are having to wait & see if we can get Duffy & Hogan moved on before we can push ahead with any in-comings? All looks good right now, but 1 or 2 medium/long term injuries could have a huge impact on us for the rest of the season (Jamie, Newcastle Upon Tyne)
Not sure the two are inextricably linked Jamie, but clearly getting at least one of Duffy or Hogan out will help. You get the impression the heat is off a bit now thanks to recent results and so O’Neill is only likely to make a move for someone he really wants now, rather than just get bodies in to try and shake things up. He still has concerns at centre half because of Ryan’s current fitness and in case, as you say, there is suddenly an injury. Do we know just HOW seriously we're looking at centre-halves? Even with Shawcross' ongoing issues, this seems something of a surprise as any loanee would presumably want to play. Are the couple we've enquired about very experienced players on the outside of Premier League 18s at the moment? (Steve, Stoke)
Yes Steve, very experienced, certainly at this level. As said below, the manager is worried that with Ryan out at the moment, he is only one injury away from potential problems at centre half. Hopefully the more we talk about potential injuries the less likely they are to occur, particularly with that defence looking so settled for once. Finding the lack of apparent interest at left-back a bit surprising. Okay, BMI is doing a job. But what happens if he picks up an injury? Seems optimistic to think Ward or Tymon could step in to any effect. Is there nobody out there we could loan for 4 months? (Mark, Newcastle)I don’t have a problem with Michael O’Neill biding his time and trying to get the right left back in the summer. He’s happy to go with BMI until the end of the season, particularly in the current formation, and surely between them there’s enough cover in Ward and Tymon. Will be interesting to see how much chance he gives Tymon to prove himself for the long term if (sorry when) Stoke are truly safe. If Tymon were the answer, that could save Stoke a few million in the summer. Martin, are you ever given any information by the club or are all your comments guesswork and inferences from comments made in press conferences? (John, Worcester)Fair question John. Sometimes you are given direct information and told to keep it under your hat, sometimes you are given nudges in a particular direction on a nod and a wink basis, and other times you are putting pieces of the jigsaw together from what is said on and off the record and what you hear from other sources. The secret is to be true to the audience by making clear the distinction between news, gossip and comment.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2020 12:32:46 GMT
Aside from maybe a centre-back, is the chance of a late striker loan the only other possibility? Do we know for sure we have been making enquiries there? Are we still looking at younger players there or a bit of experience? The young Irish lad, Parrott at Spurs would be a coup maybe (Tony, Fenton)
Did you mean coup or coo Tony?
Yes, they have been looking for a striker, more likely a younger player as opposed to the more experienced centre halves on the radar.
The manager’s mind seems made up on Scott Hogan and so there is a vacancy if a deal can be done.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2020 12:42:03 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-transfers-live-oneill-hogan-37800731st Question: Are there any other players that are out of contract this summer we need to be careful on? (Matt Finney, Derby)
Hi Matt and thanks for kicking us off. This is obviously a reference to Tyrese Campbell, who’se thankfully signed up now. Mame Diouf and Adam Federici are two names that spring to mind and it’s safe to assume we will see the last of Mame come the end of the season. But hopefully he’s got one more injury-time winner in the locker somewhere. Does it look like we are having to wait & see if we can get Duffy & Hogan moved on before we can push ahead with any in-comings? All looks good right now, but 1 or 2 medium/long term injuries could have a huge impact on us for the rest of the season (Jamie, Newcastle Upon Tyne)
Not sure the two are inextricably linked Jamie, but clearly getting at least one of Duffy or Hogan out will help. You get the impression the heat is off a bit now thanks to recent results and so O’Neill is only likely to make a move for someone he really wants now, rather than just get bodies in to try and shake things up. He still has concerns at centre half because of Ryan’s current fitness and in case, as you say, there is suddenly an injury. Do we know just HOW seriously we're looking at centre-halves? Even with Shawcross' ongoing issues, this seems something of a surprise as any loanee would presumably want to play. Are the couple we've enquired about very experienced players on the outside of Premier League 18s at the moment? (Steve, Stoke)
Yes Steve, very experienced, certainly at this level. As said below, the manager is worried that with Ryan out at the moment, he is only one injury away from potential problems at centre half. Hopefully the more we talk about potential injuries the less likely they are to occur, particularly with that defence looking so settled for once. Finding the lack of apparent interest at left-back a bit surprising. Okay, BMI is doing a job. But what happens if he picks up an injury? Seems optimistic to think Ward or Tymon could step in to any effect. Is there nobody out there we could loan for 4 months? (Mark, Newcastle)I don’t have a problem with Michael O’Neill biding his time and trying to get the right left back in the summer. He’s happy to go with BMI until the end of the season, particularly in the current formation, and surely between them there’s enough cover in Ward and Tymon. Will be interesting to see how much chance he gives Tymon to prove himself for the long term if (sorry when) Stoke are truly safe. If Tymon were the answer, that could save Stoke a few million in the summer. Martin, are you ever given any information by the club or are all your comments guesswork and inferences from comments made in press conferences? (John, Worcester)Fair question John. Sometimes you are given direct information and told to keep it under your hat, sometimes you are given nudges in a particular direction on a nod and a wink basis, and other times you are putting pieces of the jigsaw together from what is said on and off the record and what you hear from other sources. The secret is to be true to the audience by making clear the distinction between news, gossip and comment. I find it bizarre that we're apparently 'potentially not far away from problems at centre half' when we only play two per game and currently have four available to us plus Ryan still to come back, but we're happy with Ward and Tymon as left back options? Unless the plan is for the Blackpool lad to fit in there?
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Post by Goonie on Jan 27, 2020 12:52:10 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-transfers-live-oneill-hogan-37800731st Question: Are there any other players that are out of contract this summer we need to be careful on? (Matt Finney, Derby)
Hi Matt and thanks for kicking us off. This is obviously a reference to Tyrese Campbell, who’se thankfully signed up now. Mame Diouf and Adam Federici are two names that spring to mind and it’s safe to assume we will see the last of Mame come the end of the season. But hopefully he’s got one more injury-time winner in the locker somewhere. Does it look like we are having to wait & see if we can get Duffy & Hogan moved on before we can push ahead with any in-comings? All looks good right now, but 1 or 2 medium/long term injuries could have a huge impact on us for the rest of the season (Jamie, Newcastle Upon Tyne)
Not sure the two are inextricably linked Jamie, but clearly getting at least one of Duffy or Hogan out will help. You get the impression the heat is off a bit now thanks to recent results and so O’Neill is only likely to make a move for someone he really wants now, rather than just get bodies in to try and shake things up. He still has concerns at centre half because of Ryan’s current fitness and in case, as you say, there is suddenly an injury. Do we know just HOW seriously we're looking at centre-halves? Even with Shawcross' ongoing issues, this seems something of a surprise as any loanee would presumably want to play. Are the couple we've enquired about very experienced players on the outside of Premier League 18s at the moment? (Steve, Stoke)
Yes Steve, very experienced, certainly at this level. As said below, the manager is worried that with Ryan out at the moment, he is only one injury away from potential problems at centre half. Hopefully the more we talk about potential injuries the less likely they are to occur, particularly with that defence looking so settled for once. Finding the lack of apparent interest at left-back a bit surprising. Okay, BMI is doing a job. But what happens if he picks up an injury? Seems optimistic to think Ward or Tymon could step in to any effect. Is there nobody out there we could loan for 4 months? (Mark, Newcastle)I don’t have a problem with Michael O’Neill biding his time and trying to get the right left back in the summer. He’s happy to go with BMI until the end of the season, particularly in the current formation, and surely between them there’s enough cover in Ward and Tymon. Will be interesting to see how much chance he gives Tymon to prove himself for the long term if (sorry when) Stoke are truly safe. If Tymon were the answer, that could save Stoke a few million in the summer. Martin, are you ever given any information by the club or are all your comments guesswork and inferences from comments made in press conferences? (John, Worcester)Fair question John. Sometimes you are given direct information and told to keep it under your hat, sometimes you are given nudges in a particular direction on a nod and a wink basis, and other times you are putting pieces of the jigsaw together from what is said on and off the record and what you hear from other sources. The secret is to be true to the audience by making clear the distinction between news, gossip and comment. I find it bizarre that we're apparently 'potentially not far away from problems at centre half' when we only play two per game and currently have four available to us plus Ryan still to come back, but we're happy with Ward and Tymon as left back options? Unless the plan is for the Blackpool lad to fit in there? If I recall Thompson able to play DM and LB - such a versatile player on paper but remains to be seen how good he is on grass Indi plays like a CB playing LB - can do a job but not ideal and looks rather uncomfortable in the role
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2020 12:57:15 GMT
I don't think Thompson has played a game at left-back since he was in Man Utd's youth team, but you never know.
Hard to see him selected ahead of Ward or Tymon though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 27, 2020 13:05:26 GMT
I don't think Thompson has played a game at left-back since he was in Man Utd's youth team, but you never know. Hard to see him selected ahead of Ward or Tymon though. I think O'Neill has made reference to him being able to play there though, which might suggest it's in his thoughts?
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jan 27, 2020 16:42:39 GMT
I don't think Thompson has played a game at left-back since he was in Man Utd's youth team, but you never know. Hard to see him selected ahead of Ward or Tymon though. Maybe the idea would be Thompson to move into midfield in place of Clucas and then Clucas to left back?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 27, 2020 16:55:54 GMT
I don't think Thompson has played a game at left-back since he was in Man Utd's youth team, but you never know. Hard to see him selected ahead of Ward or Tymon though. I think O'Neill has made reference to him being able to play there though, which might suggest it's in his thoughts? Why would he need to do that when BMI is clearly his first choice LB at present and we've got cover from Ward and Tymon.?
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