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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 10, 2020 13:15:27 GMT
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 10, 2020 14:52:01 GMT
When I woke up today I though ‘I’d love a q&A we’ve not had one of those for a while’
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 17, 2020 12:06:32 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 17, 2020 12:23:46 GMT
Can someone remind us again why we weren't fussed about signing a left back?
Are there any theories as to why successive managers don't appear to have considered this a priority? Is there a common denominator we're missing?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2020 12:27:48 GMT
Can someone remind us again why we weren't fussed about signing a left back? Are there any theories as to why successive managers don't appear to have considered this a priority? Is there a common denominator we're missing? Wank managers ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 17, 2020 12:34:29 GMT
Can someone remind us again why we weren't fussed about signing a left back? Are there any theories as to why successive managers don't appear to have considered this a priority? Is there a common denominator we're missing? Hard to believe there wasn't someone available on loan, somewhere in Europe, isn't it? We signed Tymon in the summer of 2017 and we were told he was ready to challenge for a first team spot immediately! Puzzling why we felt we had to rely on the sticking plaster option of BMI in a crucial 6 months when left-back was the one position everyone seemed to agree was the easiest to get an immediate, attainable upgrade just because our current options were so obviously sub-par Defence is a massive area of concern now. Smith has one good game, then two bad ones. And BMI never convinces. Do you think MON has made up his mind that Tymon is not a contender? If he can't displace BMI right here and right now it's clear he has no future here. (Steve, Stoke)
He clearly has reservations about Tymon’s lack of experience, at the very least, Steve. He has taken the gamble on BMI getting Stoke through to the end of the season left back wise and fingers crossed he can do that. He wasn’t at his best at Loftus Road, particularly against searing pace, but he should be good enough to do a job over the next couple of months. As for Tymon, it will be interesting to see what the manager does with him in the summer regarding his future.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 17, 2020 12:38:25 GMT
Can someone remind us again why we weren't fussed about signing a left back? Are there any theories as to why successive managers don't appear to have considered this a priority? Is there a common denominator we're missing? Wank managers ? Think you might be on to something here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 13:10:00 GMT
Can it be asked why experienced players get the luxury of being shit game after game and still get picked while the young lads only get a few minutes occasionally to impress.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 17, 2020 13:17:12 GMT
Can it be asked why experienced players get the luxury of being shit game after game and still get picked while the young lads only get a few minutes occasionally to impress. They all get all week in training to impress the manager
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 17, 2020 13:26:32 GMT
Can it be asked why experienced players get the luxury of being shit game after game and still get picked while the young lads only get a few minutes occasionally to impress. They all get all week in training to impress the manager Precisely. I just don't get this view that a manager would pick players purely on their age. Managers want to win games. They check out the form of players in training and pick a team based on form and getting the right blend and shape. If the young players aren't getting picked it's because they are not demonstrating in training that they are better option than the more experienced players. Not to play a better option purely because of their age is just stupid - as stupid as choosing to play a player simply because they are young.
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Post by pushon on Feb 17, 2020 13:26:55 GMT
Can someone remind us again why we weren't fussed about signing a left back? Are there any theories as to why successive managers don't appear to have considered this a priority? Is there a common denominator we're missing? I think this glaring error can be laid firmly at the door of our current manager. I appreciate the fact he's instilled a more cohesive system, but the urgent need for a "proper" left back was patently obvious, even to me. As an aside,it'd be interesting to know who is the "slowest" sprinter??...Vokes or Bruno?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 13:44:55 GMT
Can it be asked why experienced players get the luxury of being shit game after game and still get picked while the young lads only get a few minutes occasionally to impress. They all get all week in training to impress the manager After which the manager defaults to picking the same team/Ince/Smith/Allen as the week before and the one before that and the one before the one that was before that no matter how poorly they looked in the game before and the one before that and the one before the one that was before that and...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 13:56:02 GMT
Can it be asked why experienced players get the luxury of being shit game after game and still get picked while the young lads only get a few minutes occasionally to impress. They all get all week in training to impress the manager They play well in training and not during the game. Indicates to me, they’re not up for it at all or the young lads are proper shit at training, so shit they are linked with the big prem teams.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 17, 2020 14:07:51 GMT
Can someone remind us again why we weren't fussed about signing a left back? Are there any theories as to why successive managers don't appear to have considered this a priority? Is there a common denominator we're missing? I think this glaring error can be laid firmly at the door of our current manager. I appreciate the fact he's instilled a more cohesive system, but the urgent need for a "proper" left back was patently obvious, even to me. As an aside,it'd be interesting to know who is the "slowest" sprinter??...Vokes or Bruno? who was available, affordable, wanted to come here and would have been an improvement on what we have? Could we have afforded someone without offloading a current player? Maybe Chris Brunt would have been a suitable replacement if Bruno was going
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Post by lifelong on Feb 17, 2020 14:51:37 GMT
All this talk about left back but what I've seen recently, notably Derby and QPR, there's a massive hole at right back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 14:56:21 GMT
All this talk about left back but what I've seen recently, notably Derby and QPR, there's a massive hole at right back. I said exactly this during the QPR game, LB is an issue but the right side of the team is more of one.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2020 15:02:33 GMT
I think this glaring error can be laid firmly at the door of our current manager. I appreciate the fact he's instilled a more cohesive system, but the urgent need for a "proper" left back was patently obvious, even to me. As an aside,it'd be interesting to know who is the "slowest" sprinter??...Vokes or Bruno? who was available, affordable, wanted to come here and would have been an improvement on what we have? Could we have afforded someone without offloading a current player? Maybe Chris Brunt would have been a suitable replacement if Bruno was going Chris Brunt is 35 years of age and not a natural LB, Bruno is a CB, Ward is finished and Tymon by the look of it has been written off by MON, are the players he signed an improvement on what we have ?, they certainly don't look as if they are to me, LB should have been top priority in January certainly not an un fit CB who has taken us backwards since his arrival. Sorry this is down to MON sadly it will be a major factor in our relegation.
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Post by lifelong on Feb 17, 2020 15:28:23 GMT
Made me weep at the weekend watching Phil Bardsley putting in a sterling performance for Burnley.Considering we let him go as not being good enough and kept the ex liverpool waster.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 15:29:06 GMT
They all get all week in training to impress the manager They play well in training and not during the game. Indicates to me, they’re not up for it at all or the young lads are proper shit at training, so shit they are linked with the big prem teams. Someone like Ince looks fantastic in training, because no one dare tackle him in training and no left back in training challenges him to put a tackle in or to run back to help the man behind him. So he gets to be automatic choice every week before going out on the pitch believing that the things he didn't do in training are needed in matches and knowing he will be selected next week anyway.
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Post by lifelong on Feb 17, 2020 15:35:37 GMT
Are you on Bielsa watch then?
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Post by Veritas on Feb 17, 2020 15:42:01 GMT
They all get all week in training to impress the manager After which the manager defaults to picking the same team/Ince/Smith/Allen as the week before and the one before that and the one before the one that was before that no matter how poorly they looked in the game before and the one before that and the one before the one that was before that and... Presumably because the alternatives haven't convinced him they are any better.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 17, 2020 15:45:09 GMT
They all get all week in training to impress the manager They play well in training and not during the game. Indicates to me, they’re not up for it at all or the young lads are proper shit at training, so shit they are linked with the big prem teams. Players linked with big Premier teams? One half story about Man U interest in Collins last summer which came to nothing.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2020 17:24:45 GMT
They play well in training and not during the game. Indicates to me, they’re not up for it at all or the young lads are proper shit at training, so shit they are linked with the big prem teams. Someone like Ince looks fantastic in training, because no one dare tackle him in training and no left back in training challenges him to put a tackle in or to run back to help the man behind him. So he gets to be automatic choice every week before going out on the pitch believing that the things he didn't do in training are needed in matches and knowing he will be selected next week anyway. The LB's we have wouldn't catch him let alone challenge him who's fault is that ?
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Post by deadwait on Feb 17, 2020 17:39:13 GMT
Someone like Ince looks fantastic in training, because no one dare tackle him in training and no left back in training challenges him to put a tackle in or to run back to help the man behind him. So he gets to be automatic choice every week before going out on the pitch believing that the things he didn't do in training are needed in matches and knowing he will be selected next week anyway. The LB's we have wouldn't catch him let alone challenge him who's fault is that ? O K, that's Ince sorted. Now what about the others !
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Post by adi on Feb 17, 2020 18:54:35 GMT
Someone like Ince looks fantastic in training, because no one dare tackle him in training and no left back in training challenges him to put a tackle in or to run back to help the man behind him. So he gets to be automatic choice every week before going out on the pitch believing that the things he didn't do in training are needed in matches and knowing he will be selected next week anyway. The LB's we have wouldn't catch him let alone challenge him who's fault is that ? Gary Rowett for wasting all that money and hamstringing both managers since. We can’t sign anyone decent because we probably can’t afford them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 19:11:44 GMT
Can someone remind us again why we weren't fussed about signing a left back? Are there any theories as to why successive managers don't appear to have considered this a priority? Is there a common denominator we're missing? I think this glaring error can be laid firmly at the door of our current manager. I appreciate the fact he's instilled a more cohesive system, but the urgent need for a "proper" left back was patently obvious, even to me. As an aside,it'd be interesting to know who is the "slowest" sprinter??...Vokes or Bruno? Bruno is not slow. He's just very, very laid back. Big difference.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 19:15:27 GMT
After which the manager defaults to picking the same team/Ince/Smith/Allen as the week before and the one before that and the one before the one that was before that no matter how poorly they looked in the game before and the one before that and the one before the one that was before that and... Presumably because the alternatives haven't convinced him they are any better. Then it's time for him to admit he's been wrong and reconsider. Because if he doesn't...
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 17, 2020 19:17:01 GMT
The LB's we have wouldn't catch him let alone challenge him who's fault is that ? Gary Rowett for wasting all that money and hamstringing both managers since. We can’t sign anyone decent because we probably can’t afford them. It didn't help when nutty Nath spunked £9m on fat Sam Vokes, £4m on Smith and £2.5 on Lindsay tbf.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 17, 2020 20:39:17 GMT
Presumably because the alternatives haven't convinced him they are any better. Then it's time for him to admit he's been wrong and reconsider. Because if he doesn't... And how exactly do you know he is wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 22:25:09 GMT
Then it's time for him to admit he's been wrong and reconsider. Because if he doesn't... And how exactly do you know he is wrong? It's a really more a question of whether you are wrong, isn't it? Because if Michael O'Neill doesn't believe he can improve - which he has stated is what he does - the players he decided to keep when he let better players leave, then he must resign pronto. Because then he is essentially planning for relegation. But again that's if he thinks along the lines of what you do. I hope he's better than that.
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