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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 30, 2019 10:33:07 GMT
If we have financial problems on the horizon and we need to sell then it's a no-brainer that Joe Allen and Jack Butland be the first names on the list on account of being pretty much the only players we have with any decent value.
And I wouldn't be that arsed to lose either although I think Jack can get back to where he was.
If you still want to defend either, 18 months ago we would have taken 50m for the pair. Now we would be over the moon to get 20m. It speaks volumes of their contribution since 2017.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 31, 2019 10:07:53 GMT
Although I'm no great Allen fan I do hope we can keep him as he is the player alongside Shawcross and McLean who doesn't give up when things go against us. The more players we have like that the more likely we are to save ourselves. I hear this argument, but I’m in the camp we really should have sold all of the players who got the “relegation pay rise” in my opinion, in the first summer window. It’s done nothing but cause a massive division in the squad and is primarily why we’re bottom of the league. I wonder how this logic would pan out on a building site, you’d have mutiny. Boss loses his shirt and sacked on a job so the next one he takes on, only half the staff get a wage cut, see how that works out for the builder.... The board have a lot to answer for with these lethargic performances by the staff they employ....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 10:53:46 GMT
We've 'ticked' probably 4? times over the past two seasons. Allen has been an almost ever-present over that period.
So he's either been tired quite a lot, or, the way in which he makes us 'tick' doesn't make for a successful team.
I think I'll go for the latter, and get straight on the phone to Moyesy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 31, 2019 13:29:11 GMT
If it wasn't for Allen we would have really struggled these last few seasons Be smart all you want about it but yes we would have been even worse. 😂😂😂
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 31, 2019 14:16:35 GMT
Although I'm no great Allen fan I do hope we can keep him as he is the player alongside Shawcross and McLean who doesn't give up when things go against us. The more players we have like that the more likely we are to save ourselves. I hear this argument, but I’m in the camp we really should have sold all of the players who got the “relegation pay rise” in my opinion, in the first summer window. It’s done nothing but cause a massive division in the squad and is primarily why we’re bottom of the league. I wonder how this logic would pan out on a building site, you’d have mutiny. Boss loses his shirt and sacked on a job so the next one he takes on, only half the staff get a wage cut, see how that works out for the builder.... The board have a lot to answer for with these lethargic performances by the staff they employ.... Surely it was a case of we were prepared to sell (every player has his value) but we did not get offers that met the clubs valuation. The player was clearly discontented to stay on a reduced pay, so an improved contract was offered to keep him happy/content. I don't agree with the criticism of Allen, there are a lot more less talented, or bone idle players in the squad. Neither am I a big fan of Allen; he runs around a lot with very little product unless the players around him perform well. He is at his best for Wales when the other players are all up for playing for their nation and with pride. The players today are so false. Look at their celebrations when they score; it's as though they have won a major competition, not just scored a goal. When Jimmy Greaves scored a goal, more often than not , he picked up the ball out of the net and ran back to the centre circle because he wanted to score another one.
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