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Post by liathroid on Jan 1, 2020 21:48:20 GMT
and you dont ;basicaly what your saying is ;last mans problem have said this many times ,but people dont listen What? ok a lot on board and dont need this shit,, your blaming Jack on the shit were in ,how many keepers do you rate i front of him atm in all divisions
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Post by dioufsboots on Jan 1, 2020 21:50:35 GMT
ok a lot on board and dont need this shit,, your blaming Jack on the shit were in ,how many keepers do you rate i front of him atm in all divisions Really? all divisions? because there is to many to list
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 21:53:59 GMT
ok a lot on board and dont need this shit,, your blaming Jack on the shit were in ,how many keepers do you rate i front of him atm in all divisions We have 10/12 more points this season if we don’t play Butland. Butland is the worst keeper in this league presently.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jan 1, 2020 22:01:28 GMT
Come on - if you were opposing manager with Butland and our defense - just keep lumping balls into penalty area and you have a guarantee 2 goals per game
MON must wee this
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 22:10:06 GMT
Come on - if you were opposing manager with Butland and our defense - just keep lumping balls into penalty area and you have a guarantee 2 goals per game MON must wee this They certainly used to target the far post when Edwards was playing.Opposition do their homework.Campbell said they were aware the Huddersfield keeper was prone to coming out and making mistakes so he positioned himself on the edge of the penalty are deliberately,which led to his 1st goal
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Post by DentySCFC on Jan 1, 2020 23:05:19 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? He aint the worst keeper Afraid he is mate. An absolute liability.
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Post by DentySCFC on Jan 1, 2020 23:08:58 GMT
The same people who are telling us Butland is shite are the same people who bleat about that wanker Badou. Meanwhile the manager proves them wrong by turning our season around. What rubbish. How on earth can anyone defend a keeper who’s done the following fuck ups: - QPR home - Charlton away - Preston away x 2 - Leeds Cup away - Forest home - Barnsley away - Wigan home - Huddersfield away x 2
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Post by rawli on Jan 1, 2020 23:20:54 GMT
Come on - if you were opposing manager with Butland and our defense - just keep lumping balls into penalty area and you have a guarantee 2 goals per game MON must wee this Ouch
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Post by dioufsboots on Jan 1, 2020 23:23:16 GMT
The same people who are telling us Butland is shite are the same people who bleat about that wanker Badou. Meanwhile the manager proves them wrong by turning our season around. What rubbish. How on earth can anyone defend a keeper who’s done the following fuck ups: - QPR home - Charlton away - Preston away x 2 - Leeds Cup away - Forest home - Barnsley away - Wigan home - Huddersfield away x 2 No doubt ya missing a few there as well
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Post by tinofspam on Jan 1, 2020 23:43:37 GMT
Lets focus on the negative guys, come on, let’s forget about everything good he’s done. It’s all about finding someone else to shit on now McClean has more than proved you wrong😂😂
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Post by datguy on Jan 1, 2020 23:48:03 GMT
A defensive mistake from Batth that could have easily been eradicated if Butland came and caught. Surprising he struggles so much with crosses - he's the perfect stature for a goalkeeper!
Second goal was beyond awful.
Needs to be let go. Turned into Joe Hart.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 1, 2020 23:51:28 GMT
Yeah God forbid we discuss why we have to score 3 goals a game to win. Today was two poor sides defensively having a shit off. It was entertaining because we were the much better side offensively and actually played some really nice stuff. To ignore the state of the defending though is absolutely imbecilic. It was awful. Butland is a liability. The biggest one in the league And why is replacing him with a better player bollocks? It was about the one good thing Jones did. Federici better than Butland. Have a lie down son. Frederici played a lot better than Butland when he was given the chance. Butland used to be the best English goalkeeper by far. However, he is a shadow of his former self. He has never been the same since his broken leg. He’s still a great shot stopper, but he appears to be afraid to come off his line, he hesitates, he rarely punches and his kicking, especially with his right foot, is shocking.
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Post by musik on Jan 2, 2020 1:07:04 GMT
Kind of agree. He should be playing in the PL. Apart from some bad kicks and mistakes this season, he's been fenomenal - as always. One of my player of the season candidates. Saw the game vs Fulham, and if it weren't for Jack in goal, we could easily have lost it 4-0 or 5-0. Absolutely superb! Didn't see the game vs Hudds though. ⚽
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 1:39:46 GMT
Lets focus on the negative guys, come on, let’s forget about everything good he’s done. It’s all about finding someone else to shit on now McClean has more than proved you wrong😂😂 Has he? He’s had a good month. Wow.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 2, 2020 1:49:05 GMT
Lets focus on the negative guys, come on, let’s forget about everything good he’s done. It’s all about finding someone else to shit on now McClean has more than proved you wrong😂😂 Has he? He’s had a good month. Wow. TBF. He proved us all wrong. I am a big fan. Hopefully he’ll keep his gob shut in November and wear the poppy.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 2, 2020 1:51:37 GMT
1st goal: the Huddersfield player is 2 yards out in the centre of the 6 yard box, that has to be the keeper that is coming out to collect that - it is 8 year old stuff. He was almost standing behind the goal line so even if the attacker hits the ball against him it will go in. Like having no goalkeeper at corners 2nd goal: comes for it and can either try to catch or punch it away, for me he makes the right choice and he is in the right position, but he miss hits it a little and of course on the form he is in the worse possible scenario happens.
Did well at Fulham, but he is/has been making major blunders for quite some time now.
A lot of his issues I am sure can be coached out of him, so you have to wonder whether he is being coached at all or whether he is being told to do things differently but thinks he knows better or whether it is just a massive confidence thing.
I think he would benefit massively from a change of scenery and think it would be good for all parties - we need somebody, at the moment, who is just solid and does the basics right and while we are at it 2 central defenders who can head a ball - otherwise it is going to be a long haul to stay in the division
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2020 2:03:23 GMT
Has he? He’s had a good month. Wow. TBF. He proved us all wrong. I am a big fan. Hopefully he’ll keep his gob shut in November and wear the poppy. Really? He’s been awful for most of the time he’s been here. He’s been good on and off for 6 weeks. It’s proved nothing. And I say on and off because the last two games I think he’s been ok and poor. Taking nothing away from how he’s played when he’s done well. But really have no idea how a months worth of performances proved anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 2:25:18 GMT
Come on - if you were opposing manager with Butland and our defense - just keep lumping balls into penalty area and you have a guarantee 2 goals per game MON must wee this 1 corner per game ought to do it...
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 2, 2020 12:54:21 GMT
How's he coming back to form when he was at least partially at fault for both goals ? Why is replacing him with Federici bollocks ? He's done nothing wrong in the games he played,he should never have been dropped. Anyway Davies is now the 2nd choice and hopefully he'll have a good game at Brentford and keep his place I dont think hes at fault for either. He can't legislate for batth on 1st and hes no chance on 2nd. Slow a replay of the goal down. Look at position of his body and hands before BMI goes right across front of him. Hes there to claim it. Then move it on a frame or 2 and watch how his hands move as BMI misses the clearance. His hands and body position move as he reacts to the deflection. Butland has no chance at all with the 2nd. 1st is a matter of opinion as to whether he should come for it. I thought he should at game but on replay it was too much of a swinger. Flight of ball starts way out of 6 yard box. More on batth than Jack for me is the 1st I would guess that when the goalkeeping coach analyses the video as you have done he will come to similar conclusions. The first was almost the perfect inswinging corner in its trajectory. The defensive fault was actually in not producing an aerial challenge to the scorer, whose off the ball movement was very good. He lost Allen who appeared to be marking him, which raises a question whether someone else should have been tasked with picking up a player who is so powerful in the air. Not Butland's fault IMHO. The 2nd was also a very dangerous fast low ball into the 'corridor of uncertainty'. You might argue that Jack could have held it but I think that's very harsh. It was two quality balls in which caused the goals. I don't think Butland is back to the form he showed before his injury but that is setting the bar very high. He had a very ropey period earlier in the season, and the then manager was justified in taking him out of the team, but his form recently has been good, and I think that some of the criticism he gets is well OTT. There was a bloke behind us at Fulham who was giving him abuse throughout the game, and that on a day when he made three top quality saves.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 2, 2020 13:00:31 GMT
How is it wow? Butland has been the worst keeper in the league bar none. A complete liability. Getting close to double figures for goals he shouldn’t have let in. How is it wow? Actually, there was a considerably worse keeper on the same pitch yesterday, at the other end. It's difficult to take too seriously a comment that he's the worst in the league.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 2, 2020 13:01:26 GMT
I dont think hes at fault for either. He can't legislate for batth on 1st and hes no chance on 2nd. Slow a replay of the goal down. Look at position of his body and hands before BMI goes right across front of him. Hes there to claim it. Then move it on a frame or 2 and watch how his hands move as BMI misses the clearance. His hands and body position move as he reacts to the deflection. Butland has no chance at all with the 2nd. 1st is a matter of opinion as to whether he should come for it. I thought he should at game but on replay it was too much of a swinger. Flight of ball starts way out of 6 yard box. More on batth than Jack for me is the 1st I would guess that when the goalkeeping coach analyses the video as you have done he will come to similar conclusions. The first was almost the perfect inswinging corner in its trajectory. The defensive fault was actually in not producing an aerial challenge to the scorer, whose off the ball movement was very good. He lost Allen who appeared to be marking him, which raises a question whether someone else should have been tasked with picking up a player who is so powerful in the air. Not Butland's fault IMHO. The 2nd was also a very dangerous fast low ball into the 'corridor of uncertainty'. You might argue that Jack could have held it but I think that's very harsh. It was two quality balls in which caused the goals. I don't think Butland is back to the form he showed before his injury but that is setting the bar very high. He had a very ropey period earlier in the season, and the then manager was justified in taking him out of the team, but his form recently has been good, and I think that some of the criticism he gets is well OTT. There was a bloke behind us at Fulham who was giving him abuse throughout the game, and that on a day when he made three top quality saves. I posted the following on the "highlights" thread and my view of yesterdays goals and Butland in general is near identical to yours. What do you actually know about goalkeeping? (Question to chief Butland hater, BayernOatcake There are 2 types of crosses that are hardest to deal with as a keeper and they scored from both. The 1st ended up 5 yards out but was a high swinger. At its highest point, it would have been 10/11 yards out. The 2nd is the horrible flat one where people go across the front of you. BMI made it impossible. Jack was there to collect and then had to react to the deflection. Hes no chance with the 2nd. When reviewing it, there will almost certainly be discussion around whether he could come for the 1st one and they will review his path to the ball. Was he being blocked off? Could he realistically have picked the flight and at what point could he have caught it had he come for it? For the 2nd, there won't even be a discussion beyond "did you make a call". The 2nd is all on bruno. As soon as he goes across the line of the ball he makes it almost impossible for his keeper and he has to clear it. Edit - I think a 100% confident butland comes and gets the first but in truth there aren't many keepers these days who are good under the high ball. The first is a 50/50 one for me. I'd love to see a keeper come for that but few would. As for criticism of certain players no matter what, I have a cracker from yesterday. In the very first passage of play in the game, BMI received the ball, took a touch and passed it inside to Clucas. The bloke next to me, I kid you not, launched into a tirade about how Ince never fucking takes his man on. I couldn't help but laugh and point out to him that it was BMI and that Ince was on the bench. 15 minutes into the game, he went to the toilet with his mate and never returned!
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 2, 2020 13:06:29 GMT
I dont think hes at fault for either. He can't legislate for batth on 1st and hes no chance on 2nd. Slow a replay of the goal down. Look at position of his body and hands before BMI goes right across front of him. Hes there to claim it. Then move it on a frame or 2 and watch how his hands move as BMI misses the clearance. His hands and body position move as he reacts to the deflection. Butland has no chance at all with the 2nd. 1st is a matter of opinion as to whether he should come for it. I thought he should at game but on replay it was too much of a swinger. Flight of ball starts way out of 6 yard box. More on batth than Jack for me is the 1st I would guess that when the goalkeeping coach analyses the video as you have done he will come to similar conclusions. The first was almost the perfect inswinging corner in its trajectory. The defensive fault was actually in not producing an aerial challenge to the scorer, whose off the ball movement was very good. He lost Allen who appeared to be marking him, which raises a question whether someone else should have been tasked with picking up a player who is so powerful in the air. Not Butland's fault IMHO. The 2nd was also a very dangerous fast low ball into the 'corridor of uncertainty'. You might argue that Jack could have held it but I think that's very harsh. It was two quality balls in which caused the goals. I don't think Butland is back to the form he showed before his injury but that is setting the bar very high. He had a very ropey period earlier in the season, and the then manager was justified in taking him out of the team, but his form recently has been good, and I think that some of the criticism he gets is well OTT. There was a bloke behind us at Fulham who was giving him abuse throughout the game, and that on a day when he made three top quality saves. That’s how I saw the goals yesterday too. Very good delivery that made defending very difficult. Disappointing to concede from set pieces but they were a long way from being keeper calamities.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 2, 2020 13:27:10 GMT
Huddersfield’s first goal:
Very poor defending by Batth who failed to stop the run of the goal scorer from about 12 yards, which provided a clear heading opportunity.
Huddersfields second goal:
Same level of defending by Indi this time who missed the cross
Anyone wishing to check the above please watch Quest. Those not interested, but simply want to slate Butland don’t bother
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Post by jeycov on Jan 2, 2020 13:30:55 GMT
ok a lot on board and dont need this shit,, your blaming Jack on the shit were in ,how many keepers do you rate i front of him atm in all divisions We have 10/12 more points this season if we don’t play Butland. Butland is the worst keeper in this league presently. We wouldn’t be in this division if it wasn’t for some excellent performances from Jack last season And he chose to stay here A couple of very good saves yesterday shouldn’t be overlooked despite conceding 2 goals
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Post by jeycov on Jan 2, 2020 13:31:57 GMT
Come on - if you were opposing manager with Butland and our defense - just keep lumping balls into penalty area and you have a guarantee 2 goals per game MON must wee this They certainly used to target the far post when Edwards was playing.Opposition do their homework.Campbell said they were aware the Huddersfield keeper was prone to coming out and making mistakes so he positioned himself on the edge of the penalty are deliberately,which led to his 1st goal Maybe under instructions from our new coaching set up
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 2, 2020 15:50:09 GMT
They certainly used to target the far post when Edwards was playing.Opposition do their homework.Campbell said they were aware the Huddersfield keeper was prone to coming out and making mistakes so he positioned himself on the edge of the penalty are deliberately,which led to his 1st goal Maybe under instructions from our new coaching set up Not to be a prick but under who else’s instruction would it be?
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 2, 2020 16:03:05 GMT
It seems that Smith, Batth, Ward, Ince, and any number of others can be criticised but Jack cant? He did well at Fulham granted he made a few saves BUT we lost 1-0 and who was to blame for the one goal Butland. He's GIVEN so many goals away its unreal he is NOT consistent and cant be relied on at all which makes the defenders shit it all the time. It's no use making the great save if he throws one in the net and we lose. He's rooted to his line like a statue 99% of the time with corners if a keeper is touched it's a foul but he doesn't try to claim crosses. He's cost Stoke double figures in points this season alone we would be mid table with a competent keeper.
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Post by adi on Jan 2, 2020 16:08:11 GMT
It seems that Smith, Batth, Ward, Ince, and any number of others can be criticised but Jack cant? He did well at Fulham granted he made a few saves BUT we lost 1-0 and who was to blame for the one goal Butland. He's GIVEN so many goals away its unreal he is NOT consistent and cant be relied on at all which makes the defenders shit it all the time. It's no use making the great save if he throws one in the net and we lose. He's rooted to his line like a statue 99% of the time with corners if a keeper is touched it's a foul but he doesn't try to claim crosses. He's cost Stoke double figures in points this season alone we would be mid table with a competent keeper. Apparently two saves in a game where he was unconvincing makes him immune from criticism
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Post by adamsson on Jan 2, 2020 16:09:14 GMT
It seems that Smith, Batth, Ward, Ince, and any number of others can be criticised but Jack cant? He did well at Fulham granted he made a few saves BUT we lost 1-0 and who was to blame for the one goal Butland. He's GIVEN so many goals away its unreal he is NOT consistent and cant be relied on at all which makes the defenders shit it all the time. It's no use making the great save if he throws one in the net and we lose. He's rooted to his line like a statue 99% of the time with corners if a keeper is touched it's a foul but he doesn't try to claim crosses. He's cost Stoke double figures in points this season alone we would be mid table with a competent keeper. He is very good at flapping his arms and blaming everyone around him after he's let yet another goal in. World class.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jan 2, 2020 16:25:45 GMT
He’s been completely disinterested since we went down. It’s time for a change of scenery.
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