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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 1, 2020 17:53:00 GMT
I don't want to take anything away from the win today, but Butland needs to do a lot better....I think he should be challenging to punch it clear on their 1st, but he stays rooted to his line....
And on the second, I'm not sure why he dives when he would have been better coming for it and making a low catch!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 18:26:02 GMT
Just watched both goals back and I think the finger pointing at Butland is a bit harsh. The first is a solid header that he has no chance. Why Indi is so isolated I dont know.
And the 2nd goal Indi goes to head it and completely missed the ball. He should head that for a corner. Once it evades him I’m not sure what Jack can do if I’m honest. Just unfortunate how it hits Baath
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 18:28:22 GMT
Just watched both goals back and I think the finger pointing at Butland is a bit harsh. The first is a solid header that he has no chance. Why Indi is so isolated I dont know. And the 2nd goal Indi goes to head it and completely missed the ball. He should head that for a corner. Once it evades him I’m not sure what Jack can do if I’m honest. Just unfortunate how it hits Baath Im afraid you've got to come and claim the first one, punch it at worst. Second one is probably harsh but got to try and catch it. Punch was not a good choice. He is clearly still low on confidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 18:31:26 GMT
Just watched both goals back and I think the finger pointing at Butland is a bit harsh. The first is a solid header that he has no chance. Why Indi is so isolated I dont know. And the 2nd goal Indi goes to head it and completely missed the ball. He should head that for a corner. Once it evades him I’m not sure what Jack can do if I’m honest. Just unfortunate how it hits Baath The goalkeeper should come for any cross in the 6yd box
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 18:33:43 GMT
I don't want to take anything away from the win today, but Butland needs to do a lot better....I think he should be challenging to punch it clear on their 1st, but he stays rooted to his line.... And on the second, I'm not sure why he dives when he would have been better coming for it and making a low catch!!! The defending from both sides was a joke. If people can’t debate that sensibly then it’s time to pack up.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2020 18:33:53 GMT
The 2nd goal he had to do better with there’s no doubt for me but to concentrate on him today when we’ve just won 5-2 away is pathetic in my opinion but each to their own
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 1, 2020 18:34:33 GMT
Just watched both goals back and I think the finger pointing at Butland is a bit harsh. The first is a solid header that he has no chance. Why Indi is so isolated I dont know. And the 2nd goal Indi goes to head it and completely missed the ball. He should head that for a corner. Once it evades him I’m not sure what Jack can do if I’m honest. Just unfortunate how it hits Baath The 2nd one - he’s got to catch it for me. Indi doesn’t help but he’s ended up in a really bad position (speaking as someone who has never played in goal) and he isn’t going to be able to clear it very far if he does punch because he’s so low. I’m not sure if he was going for the catch and then Indi put him off but he’s caused that one.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 18:39:57 GMT
The 2nd goal he had to do better with there’s no doubt for me but to concentrate on him today when we’ve just won 5-2 away is pathetic in my opinion but each to their own Why is it? It’s another game where he’s cost us goals. We’re adults ffs or we’re meant to be. Winning doesn’t mean two goals conceded in the sloppiest of manners mean sod all and shouldn’t be discussed. Especially when it’s a continuation of an ongoing problem.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2020 18:43:21 GMT
The 2nd goal he had to do better with there’s no doubt for me but to concentrate on him today when we’ve just won 5-2 away is pathetic in my opinion but each to their own Why is it? It’s another game where he’s cost us goals. We’re adults ffs or we’re meant to be. Winning doesn’t mean two goals conceded in the sloppiest of manners mean sod all and shouldn’t be discussed. Especially when it’s a continuation of an ongoing problem. Most focus on the positives in a 5-2 win🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 18:46:15 GMT
Why is it? It’s another game where he’s cost us goals. We’re adults ffs or we’re meant to be. Winning doesn’t mean two goals conceded in the sloppiest of manners mean sod all and shouldn’t be discussed. Especially when it’s a continuation of an ongoing problem. Most focus on the positives in a 5-2 win🤔 A good manager will be analyzing every part of the game, that's how you make changes and improve. What's wrong with the fans doing the same ?
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jan 1, 2020 18:47:04 GMT
Loan move to Villa surely? Ticks all the boxes for everyone involved now Heaton is injured.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 18:47:44 GMT
Just watched both goals back and I think the finger pointing at Butland is a bit harsh. The first is a solid header that he has no chance. Why Indi is so isolated I dont know. And the 2nd goal Indi goes to head it and completely missed the ball. He should head that for a corner. Once it evades him I’m not sure what Jack can do if I’m honest. Just unfortunate how it hits Baath Im afraid you've got to come and claim the first one, punch it at worst. Second one is probably harsh but got to try and catch it. Punch was not a good choice. He is clearly still low on confidence. The first is a Danny Batth screw up getting done, again, for pace and losing his marker. Maybe Butland should have come for it, but he shouldn’t have been unchallenged on a flat ball across.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2020 18:47:57 GMT
Most focus on the positives in a 5-2 win🤔 A good manager will be analyzing every part of the game, that's how you make changes and improve. What's wrong with the fans doing the same ? If that’s what he’s doing then fair enough but some would rather point to the negatives than enjoy the positives
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 18:52:07 GMT
A good manager will be analyzing every part of the game, that's how you make changes and improve. What's wrong with the fans doing the same ? If that’s what he’s doing then fair enough but some would rather point to the negatives than enjoy the positives But with positives it can only be back patting,nothing really to discuss....how many times can we say great goals from Campbell before it gets repetitive ?....the only real negative is the 2 goals we conceded,and they were piss poor from our perspective so it's being discussed
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 18:52:21 GMT
Why is it? It’s another game where he’s cost us goals. We’re adults ffs or we’re meant to be. Winning doesn’t mean two goals conceded in the sloppiest of manners mean sod all and shouldn’t be discussed. Especially when it’s a continuation of an ongoing problem. Most focus on the positives in a 5-2 win🤔 Most have! The sensible folk discuss it all like adults.....
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2020 18:54:02 GMT
Most focus on the positives in a 5-2 win🤔 Most have! The sensible folk discuss it all like adults..... Sensible😄😄
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 1, 2020 18:57:14 GMT
Why is it? It’s another game where he’s cost us goals. We’re adults ffs or we’re meant to be. Winning doesn’t mean two goals conceded in the sloppiest of manners mean sod all and shouldn’t be discussed. Especially when it’s a continuation of an ongoing problem. Most focus on the positives in a 5-2 win🤔 We threw a precious lead away in 3 minutes of absolute madness and it could so easily have cost us as it has done on many occasions this season like Birmingham and Middlesbrough away. The fact that we brilliantly managed to turn it around doesn't mean we can just pretend it didn't happen. If you gift teams 2 easy goals you'll lose or draw far, far more games than you'll win. It's a big, long term problem that we have and it's right that the root causes are being looked at. We simply have to sort it because we won't produce a comeback like that every week. Butland has to be dropped now and if we have any funds this window, a centre back needs to be a priority.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 1, 2020 18:57:45 GMT
It was the stupip free kick Linsey gave away ,thats were the problem started Doesn’t mean he stops doing his job. All 3 of him, Lindsay and Batth were pathetic today though. In an ideal world, we never see any of them again. 😂 in an ideal world KEEP BUTLAND NOW THINK ABOUT IT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 18:58:37 GMT
Doesn’t mean he stops doing his job. All 3 of him, Lindsay and Batth were pathetic today though. In an ideal world, we never see any of them again. 😂 in an ideal world KEEP BUTLAND NOW THINK ABOUT IT In an ideal world that’s his last game for us. 😂
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Post by thehoof on Jan 1, 2020 19:00:46 GMT
A good manager will be analyzing every part of the game, that's how you make changes and improve. What's wrong with the fans doing the same ? If that’s what he’s doing then fair enough but some would rather point to the negatives than enjoy the positives Crouchie, We can’t keep expecting to score 2 to get a point. I didn’t think that Butland could do anything with the Sheffield Wed.goals and was MOM against Fulham, but he was at fault for both goals today. At 6 feet 4 the first was not a difficult punch, but he stayed rooted to the line and conceded a header from 4 yards out. The second is just typical of the mistakes he’s made this year. Today our general play has meant it didn’t matter, but at the moment, Butland is more likely to cost us points than save them. Every point is precious, and that’s why we can’t ignore negatives.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2020 19:01:20 GMT
Most focus on the positives in a 5-2 win🤔 We threw a precious lead away in 3 minutes of absolute madness and it could so easily have cost us as it has done on many occasions this season like Birmingham and Middlesbrough away. The fact that we brilliantly managed to turn it around doesn't mean we can just pretend it didn't happen. If you gift teams 2 easy goals you'll lose or draw far, far more games than you'll win. It's a big, long term problem that we have and it's right that the root causes are being looked at. We simply have to sort it because we won't produce a comeback like that every week. Butland has to be dropped now and if we have any funds this window, a centre back needs to be a priority. Butland isn't the only one responsible, second goal for example was his and Bruno's fault. First one was Batth and Bruno. None of our fullbacks defend crosses from the other side either. Tactics not the problem at the back under Rowett, Jones nor O'Neill. We don't give that many chances away we do give tons if goals away, that's down to defenders and Butland making mistakes almost every game. Personnel changes required.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2020 19:02:21 GMT
If that’s what he’s doing then fair enough but some would rather point to the negatives than enjoy the positives Crouchie, We can’t keep expecting to score 2 to get a point. I didn’t think that Butland could do anything with the Sheffield Wed.goals and was MOM against Fulham, but he was at fault for both goals today. At 6 feet 4 the first was not a difficult punch, but he stayed rooted to the line and conceded a header from 4 yards out. The second is just typical of the mistakes he’s made this year. Today our general play has meant it didn’t matter, but at the moment, Butland is more likely to cost us points than save them. Every point is precious, and that’s why we can’t ignore negatives. Didn't think first one was one for the keeper to come out and get. He's very culpable for the second
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2020 19:02:42 GMT
I agree with the 2nd goal but not the 1st for me,Batth lost Mounie but I’m not here to keep playing the blame game after a 5-2 win away from home
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2020 19:05:24 GMT
Crouchie, We can’t keep expecting to score 2 to get a point. I didn’t think that Butland could do anything with the Sheffield Wed.goals and was MOM against Fulham, but he was at fault for both goals today. At 6 feet 4 the first was not a difficult punch, but he stayed rooted to the line and conceded a header from 4 yards out. The second is just typical of the mistakes he’s made this year. Today our general play has meant it didn’t matter, but at the moment, Butland is more likely to cost us points than save them. Every point is precious, and that’s why we can’t ignore negatives. Didn't think first one was one for the keeper to come out and get. He's very culpable for the second Just watched it again, no way Butland would get that corner. Batth/Bruno error. Second one... he's so weak.pathetic really Two if our goals were down to Huddersfield errors mind.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 1, 2020 19:06:50 GMT
I don't want to take anything away from the win today, but Butland needs to do a lot better....I think he should be challenging to punch it clear on their 1st, but he stays rooted to his line.... And on the second, I'm not sure why he dives when he would have been better coming for it and making a low catch!!! I agree on 1st but bmi destroys any chance he has of coming or reacting to that low flighted ball on the 2nd
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2020 19:08:13 GMT
I agree with the 2nd goal but not the 1st for me,Batth lost Mounie but I’m not here to keep playing the blame game after a 5-2 win away from home This is what I mean. It’s not the blame game. It’s discussing two big moments in the game. Like any grown up should be able to do.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 1, 2020 19:08:36 GMT
We threw a precious lead away in 3 minutes of absolute madness and it could so easily have cost us as it has done on many occasions this season like Birmingham and Middlesbrough away. The fact that we brilliantly managed to turn it around doesn't mean we can just pretend it didn't happen. If you gift teams 2 easy goals you'll lose or draw far, far more games than you'll win. It's a big, long term problem that we have and it's right that the root causes are being looked at. We simply have to sort it because we won't produce a comeback like that every week. Butland has to be dropped now and if we have any funds this window, a centre back needs to be a priority. Butland isn't the only one responsible, second goal for example was his and Bruno's fault. First one was Batth and Bruno. None of our fullbacks defend crosses from the other side either. Tactics not the problem at the back under Rowett, Jones nor O'Neill. We don't give that many chances away we do give tons if goals away, that's down to defenders and Butland making mistakes almost every game. Personnel changes required. The whole defence, centre halves, full backs and goalkeeper are a clusterfuck of shitness. We need every single one of them replacing long term. In the short term though we need to drop Butland, drop Lindsay (who I think is slightly more inept than Batth, although both are dreadful) for Collins and look to sign a centre back and left back this window. If Ryan is fit then drop Batth too and go for a Shawcross and Collins pairing. Yes it'll be a fresh pairing and maybe they'll make mistakes through lack of practice but at worst they can only be equally as bad as Batth and Lindsay. So nothing to lose in trying.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2020 19:09:15 GMT
I agree with the 2nd goal but not the 1st for me,Batth lost Mounie but I’m not here to keep playing the blame game after a 5-2 win away from home This is what I mean. It’s not the blame game. It’s discussing two big moments in the game. Like any grown up should be able to do. Your tweets this afternoon during the game would really contradict that
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 1, 2020 19:10:09 GMT
FFS watch the second goal again...Stoke players run back towards goal then miss the ball, leaving Butland a split second to react...he did really well to get anything on it at all Early season he was shocking, but now fans are just sniping out of habit...or malice?
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 1, 2020 19:11:20 GMT
Didn't think first one was one for the keeper to come out and get. He's very culpable for the second Just watched it again, no way Butland would get that corner. Batth/Bruno error. Second one... he's so weak.pathetic really Two if our goals were down to Huddersfield errors mind. The second today see the winner at Fulham nearly identical.
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