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Post by nonameface on Jan 3, 2020 10:29:24 GMT
Butland even with lower transfer fees is still likely to be the most attractive sale to the club when considering FFP.
Villa having an injury to Heaton and West Ham having poor keeper options and both potentially in a relegation battle is helping to keep Butlands price up.
We need to sell him as far as I'm concerned and due to both his form and ours he's not going to have many more opportunities to leave for an premier League club.
Federeci is good enough till the summer from what we've seen this year. Davies needs a chance between now and the end of the season, potentially selling him in the summer if he doesn't cut it. Bursik needs to see he has a pathway to playing, all of this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 10:34:17 GMT
It'll be a loan,you watch If they pay his full wage and £1 million fee there's some sense in that. You'd be taking a risk in the hope that he impressed and we could command a bigger fee in the summer but ultimately his contract expiring next summer means we won't ever get big money for him now anyway.....
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Post by Marc01 on Jan 3, 2020 10:34:51 GMT
Villa GK Heaton taken off with a knee injury at Burnley. Possible chance they may look to Butland on loan... Factor in Hogan loan return.. No surprises! It would be a surprise if Stoke still haven't learned the lessons of previous transfers disasters and get the best possible deal (including maximum contingent payments). Jack's form will present a problem to getting the best fee possible (and that is why contingency payments are so important) BUT Villa will also be desperate. Villa's desperation probably won't help them if they secure Jack and his current form continues. He will have far more shots to save and if one in every two goes into the net, as is currently happening, then Villa will be relegated. Perhaps he is destined to end up there after the Stoke v Villa match coincided with the Gordon Banks tribute?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2020 11:33:43 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2020 12:26:26 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 3, 2020 12:31:58 GMT
I'd rather keep Jack for now to be honest as he seems to be getting his mojo back and Federici doesn't inspire me with confidence in the same way he does others.
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Post by adamsson on Jan 3, 2020 13:21:12 GMT
I'd rather keep Jack for now to be honest as he seems to be getting his mojo back and Federici doesn't inspire me with confidence in the same way he does others. Yes he has only made 3 mistakes leading to goals in the last two games. A great improvement.
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Post by musik on Jan 3, 2020 13:34:10 GMT
I'd rather keep Jack for now to be honest as he seems to be getting his mojo back and Federici doesn't inspire me with confidence in the same way he does others. Yes he has only made 3 mistakes leading to goals in the last two games. A great improvement. That's impossible. Hudds only scored twice. He was world class vs Fulham. *** Addition: I just saw the extended highlights. Noone can seriously mean he could have prevented Hudds first goal!! A strong header only 3-4 meters out. 😁
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 3, 2020 13:35:38 GMT
Start at 20 million
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Post by onionman on Jan 3, 2020 13:36:27 GMT
Wonder if they’d be open to a swap deal involving Neil Cutler?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 3, 2020 13:39:44 GMT
£12M or £10M + add-ons will do as well, need to sell now or in the summer to get some money!
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Post by lawbilloo on Jan 3, 2020 14:14:33 GMT
Unfortunately, for us and for him, with Jack it's not simply a question of loss of form. He had a serious injury in April 2016 while going up for a high ball in a crowded 6 yard box, and though he took the entire 2016-17 season to recover and retrain, when he came back to the first team for the 2017-18 season(he made 35 appearances in the lead up to relegation) going up for similar high balls in a crowded box was, and still is, something he can't , or won't do. Sadly, it's not in his repertoire any more. His preference is to stay on his line and hope the ball comes close enough to save.At all costs, he will not risk injury again, not just the type of ankle injury he had before(I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often(or does it?)) but any injury from any form of contact near goal.
Two examples, though they aren't really necessary. For Huddersfield's first goal, it was a straightforward cross into the box, but Jack stayed on his line and stood no chance from a firm header. This is the kind of simple take that any top goalkeeper should gobble up all day long. The second one which sticks in my mind recently was his mad dash out of his area ( I can't remember the game or the scorer) but Jack could have dived on the ball, choosing instead to lunge feet first, taking out Edwards and leaving a simple tap-in.
I know he is a good, sometimes brilliant shot stopper, but personally I feel sorry for the defenders who have to rely on getting to crosses first themselves, without ever being able to rely on Jack doing some of the aerial dirty work for them. Without a goalkeeper who can "command his area" as the saying goes, is it surprising that we concde so many goals from set pieces?
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Post by jeycov on Jan 3, 2020 16:35:17 GMT
Butland even with lower transfer fees is still likely to be the most attractive sale to the club when considering FFP. Villa having an injury to Heaton and West Ham having poor keeper options and both potentially in a relegation battle is helping to keep Butlands price up. We need to sell him as far as I'm concerned and due to both his form and ours he's not going to have many more opportunities to leave for an premier League club. Federeci is good enough till the summer from what we've seen this year. Davies needs a chance between now and the end of the season, potentially selling him in the summer if he doesn't cut it. Bursik needs to see he has a pathway to playing, all of this helps. It would be good to see serious interest from both West Ham and Villa,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 17:00:16 GMT
Unfortunately, for us and for him, with Jack it's not simply a question of loss of form. He had a serious injury in April 2016 while going up for a high ball in a crowded 6 yard box, and though he took the entire 2016-17 season to recover and retrain, when he came back to the first team for the 2017-18 season(he made 35 appearances in the lead up to relegation) going up for similar high balls in a crowded box was, and still is, something he can't , or won't do. Sadly, it's not in his repertoire any more. His preference is to stay on his line and hope the ball comes close enough to save.At all costs, he will not risk injury again, not just the type of ankle injury he had before(I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often(or does it?)) but any injury from any form of contact near goal. Two examples, though they aren't really necessary. For Huddersfield's first goal, it was a straightforward cross into the box, but Jack stayed on his line and stood no chance from a firm header. This is the kind of simple take that any top goalkeeper should gobble up all day long. The second one which sticks in my mind recently was his mad dash out of his area ( I can't remember the game or the scorer) but Jack could have dived on the ball, choosing instead to lunge feet first, taking out Edwards and leaving a simple tap-in. I know he is a good, sometimes brilliant shot stopper, but personally I feel sorry for the defenders who have to rely on getting to crosses first themselves, without ever being able to rely on Jack doing some of the aerial dirty work for them. Without a goalkeeper who can "command his area" as the saying goes, is it surprising that we concde so many goals from set pieces? Going in feet first and you suggesting he's scared of damaging his ankle makes no sense whatsoever
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 3, 2020 17:15:58 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jan 3, 2020 17:30:14 GMT
In isolation I doubt he'd get much grief about the 2 goals, problem is we've conceded far too many similar goals already this season.
It doesn't take Alex Ferguson to notice he rarely comes for crosses and doesn't command his 6 yard box at set pieces.
It would be very naive to imagine other clubs won't have noticed this and will/have change/d their approach accordingly.
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Post by rorymscfc on Jan 3, 2020 17:55:11 GMT
In isolation I doubt he'd get much grief about the 2 goals, problem is we've conceded far too many similar goals already this season. It doesn't take Alex Ferguson to notice he rarely comes for crosses and doesn't command his 6 yard box at set pieces. It would be very naive to imagine other clubs won't have noticed this and will/have change/d their approach accordingly. And that’s before we even start on his distribution....
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Post by adamsson on Jan 3, 2020 21:08:42 GMT
Yes he has only made 3 mistakes leading to goals in the last two games. A great improvement. That's impossible. Hudds only scored twice. He was world class vs Fulham. Apart from gifting them the winning goal he did ok but he is always good at the photograph saves
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Post by musik on Jan 3, 2020 23:59:55 GMT
That's impossible. Hudds only scored twice. He was world class vs Fulham. Apart from gifting them the winning goal he did ok but he is always good at the photograph saves I think he couldn't do anything about that goal.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 4, 2020 0:15:07 GMT
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Post by musik on Jan 4, 2020 2:16:36 GMT
Don't sell.
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Post by mistergumby on Jan 4, 2020 16:00:36 GMT
Butland AGAIN! Fyoomin!
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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 4, 2020 16:02:51 GMT
He's died his hair and list a few inches. Possession and witches!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 11:52:02 GMT
Another potential exit route closed off..... theathletic.co.uk/1471570/2020/01/06/what-to-expect-from-west-ham-in-january/West Ham are expected to seal the return of Darren Randolph, 32, for a fee in the region of £4 million, which could be done within the next 48 hours. They made a similar offer for Cardiff No 1 Neil Etheridge but bringing Randolph back to east London from Middlesbrough after two-and-a-half years was the priority.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 12:30:18 GMT
Not sure how we can still ask £20m for him if Randolph goes for 4m, and Heaton goes for 8m? theathletic.co.uk/1471570/2020/01/06/what-to-expect-from-west-ham-in-january/Jack Butland was also on West Ham’s radar, but The Athletic understands the club did not make an official approach and would have had to pay in the region of £20 million to lure him away from Stoke City. Even if he might be the better long-term replacement for 34-year-old Fabianski, Butland, 26, has struggled to find form in the second tier this season and was dropped from Gareth Southgate’s England squad in August.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jan 6, 2020 15:34:52 GMT
Begovic back at Bournemouth 🤔🤔 I woooonder?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 6, 2020 15:47:12 GMT
Let's not pretend that butland is keeping us a float this season by fuelling the confidence in his team mates and his mind blowing performances, he's as shaky as a shitting dog..
Federici however has looked assured when he has played and Davies has played 1 game only
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 17:46:42 GMT
Not sure how we can still ask £20m for him if Randolph goes for 4m, and Heaton goes for 8m? theathletic.co.uk/1471570/2020/01/06/what-to-expect-from-west-ham-in-january/Jack Butland was also on West Ham’s radar, but The Athletic understands the club did not make an official approach and would have had to pay in the region of £20 million to lure him away from Stoke City. Even if he might be the better long-term replacement for 34-year-old Fabianski, Butland, 26, has struggled to find form in the second tier this season and was dropped from Gareth Southgate’s England squad in August. On current form Randolph is far superior. Where that leaves the fee for Butland I don't know.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 6, 2020 17:51:14 GMT
Not sure how we can still ask £20m for him if Randolph goes for 4m, and Heaton goes for 8m? theathletic.co.uk/1471570/2020/01/06/what-to-expect-from-west-ham-in-january/Jack Butland was also on West Ham’s radar, but The Athletic understands the club did not make an official approach and would have had to pay in the region of £20 million to lure him away from Stoke City. Even if he might be the better long-term replacement for 34-year-old Fabianski, Butland, 26, has struggled to find form in the second tier this season and was dropped from Gareth Southgate’s England squad in August. On current form Randolph is far superior. Where that leaves the fee for Butland I don't know. Is that the same Randolph that was dropped by boro in favour of ashley pears?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 6, 2020 17:57:00 GMT
On current form Randolph is far superior. Where that leaves the fee for Butland I don't know. Is that the same Randolph that was dropped by boro in favour of ashley pears? Randolph got injured didn't he?
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