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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:32:22 GMT
Brilliant, so now we have another player marooned somewhere in Africa?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:32:53 GMT
I'd like to see him play for us, I think he's a good footballer. I suspect he's already dead to MON after telling him he didn't want to play for Stoke in January, can imagine it'd take a lot to have him back in Michael's good books.
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Post by crowey on Jul 31, 2020 12:34:16 GMT
Is it me or is Peter not pulling enough tree stumps for people to exercise the purchase option. Another problem for MON to sort out. .... that roughly translates that Getafe don’t want/can’t afford to pay me anymore so I will come crawling back to the hand that feeds me for them to find me another loan |
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2020 12:37:02 GMT
Be the same kind of story with Badou.
No one will part with hard cash for either of these two clowns.
There was a glimmer of hope before but now the world economy is on life support and and potential suitors have zero match day revenue we don't have an earthly.
Heaven knows what we do.
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Post by crowey on Jul 31, 2020 12:46:04 GMT
Be the same kind of story with Badou. No one will part with hard cash for either of these two clowns. There was a glimmer of hope before but now the world economy is on life support and zero match day revenue we don't have an earthly. Heaven knows what we do. .... suggest we tell them to play for us (properly) or sit on the bench & get splinters. However, I suspect there is no way back with MON. Credit to him |
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Post by macarisredarmy on Jul 31, 2020 12:48:47 GMT
Be the same kind of story with Badou. No one will part with hard cash for either of these two clowns. There was a glimmer of hope before but now the world economy is on life support and zero match day revenue we don't have an earthly. Heaven knows what we do. .... suggest we tell them to play for us (properly) or sit on the bench & get splinters. However, I suspect there is no way back with MON. Credit to him Hope you are right Crowey. Good grief. Hoped we would be rid of these two because they have zero interest in us. |
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 31, 2020 12:49:17 GMT
I think we all get frustrated at the ability of the club to buy players and accept that they must know what they are doing as contracts and clauses are tricky after all. It’s only when we try and move players on do we see the actual cluster fuck of a job they made which seems to be compounded further when we get our trousers pulled down time after time.
I mean, are the people who do our negotiating, buying or selling, even remotely competent? If their intention is to pay way, way over the odds and offer a contract which has no safeguards for the club with a view to then letting the asset dissolve before letting it go for nothing, then they are doing a mighty fine job.
What does someone have to do in this area of business at the club before they get fired?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 12:50:29 GMT
Players like Etebo and Badou despite their obvious talent need to look in the mirror and ask themselves why teams aren't queueing up to keep them after loans, or why Premier League or equivalent teams aren't coming in for them.
I have a hunch they won't.......
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 31, 2020 12:52:33 GMT
Is it me or is Peter not pulling enough tree stumps for people to exercise the purchase option. Another problem for MON to sort out. .... that roughly translates that Getafe don’t want/can’t afford to pay me anymore so I will come crawling back to the hand that feeds me for them to find me another loan If they were looking like the part and really pushing Getafe on, then I'm sure the money would change hands. It hasn't and it won't. They are hum-drum players we played too too much for. |
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Post by bolders on Jul 31, 2020 12:53:44 GMT
We need just £3.89M to offload him and not make a loss
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 31, 2020 12:58:36 GMT
.... that roughly translates that Getafe don’t want/can’t afford to pay me anymore so I will come crawling back to the hand that feeds me for them to find me another loan If they were looking like the part and really pushing Getafe on, then I'm sure the money would change hands. It hasn't and it won't. They are hum-drum players we played too too much for. In defence of the world's worst transfer team I think Etebo was a calculated risk worth taking. In the long list of disasters he'd probably be the one I'd want the club to focus on because it's plausible we could shift him. 24 year old Nigerian International 6m, not easy but significantly easier than Vokes at 9m, Badou at 14m. I'd probably go as far to say even though this hasn't worked out I'd like to see more Etebo style transfers. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 31, 2020 13:00:06 GMT
LOL, quelle fucking surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 13:02:04 GMT
.... that roughly translates that Getafe don’t want/can’t afford to pay me anymore so I will come crawling back to the hand that feeds me for them to find me another loan If they were looking like the part and really pushing Getafe on, then I'm sure the money would change hands. It hasn't and it won't. They are hum-drum players we played too too much for. For clubs like Getafe they're never ever going to spend £3-4m on a player unless they're absolutely stand out performers. It was never going to happen, did he actually even play? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 13:14:21 GMT
.... suggest we tell them to play for us (properly) or sit on the bench & get splinters. However, I suspect there is no way back with MON. Credit to him Hope you are right Crowey. Good grief. Hoped we would be rid of these two because they have zero interest in us. I'd like to think that O'Neill may not be as stubborn as this. At the end of the day, we need good quality players; these two are just that. I don't blame either of them for wanting to play top flight football in sunny countries rather than second flight in the UK. That said, if loans aren't sorted, I expect them to act like grown ass men and honor their commitments, because we have to. I had read that Badou has until 2022, and Etebo is until 2023. I wouldn't be surprised if Badou leaves again, as he still has a decent reputation. Etebo is a bit of a nobody however and only played a dozen or so times for Getafe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 13:16:15 GMT
Fucking play, fucking properly, or get in the fucking U23s for the remainder of your contract.
Just imagine if he'd stayed here, knuckled down, been our best midfielder, he might have a promoted side looking at him now, for another tilt at the PL.
But no, he's a lower half Championship player again. Same goes for his mate.
Let's see how many of the newly-relegated teams have huge issues with players wanting out.
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Post by boothenender on Jul 31, 2020 13:23:07 GMT
Personally I thought that Pete Etebo was a very good player.
Probably believed the hype in the press and thought that he was to good for us.
Shakiri wanna be.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 31, 2020 13:23:50 GMT
We need just £3.89M to offload him and not make a loss Right now the loss is his total transfer fee. So anything money received reduces the loss and is better than nothing. |
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Post by bolders on Jul 31, 2020 13:24:04 GMT
I think both Watford and bournemouth will have a few, Norwich didn't really spend big on anyone when they went up
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Post by questionable on Jul 31, 2020 13:30:18 GMT
Be the same kind of story with Badou. No one will part with hard cash for either of these two clowns. There was a glimmer of hope before but now the world economy is on life support and zero match day revenue we don't have an earthly. Heaven knows what we do. Mate we did due diligence so all’s good, can you imagine in any other business your chief executive producing blunder after blunder after blunder and keeping his job it’s hilarious 😂 |
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Post by bolders on Jul 31, 2020 13:32:07 GMT
We need just £3.89M to offload him and not make a loss Right now the loss is his total transfer fee. So anything money received reduces the loss and is better than nothing. Not really because we will then run foul of ffp if he is sold at a loss. If we can sell at £3.98M then we incur no lose anything above is calculated as a profit. Its all down to how they spread the cost of the player on the books. If we cant sell at his lowest value to us then its better for us to loan him out and get all or a percentage of his wage paid. |
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Post by markby on Jul 31, 2020 13:35:59 GMT
Hope you are right Crowey. Good grief. Hoped we would be rid of these two because they have zero interest in us. I'd like to think that O'Neill may not be as stubborn as this. At the end of the day, we need good quality players; these two are just that. Michael isn't inherently "stubborn" - if anything, he's pragmatic, as his masterful handling of that balloon Kyle Lafferty proved (got him playing for a campaign, then eventually replaced him with a far less talented, but much more committed, professional in Josh Magennis, who he'd been preparing for just that eventuality)
So that he'll measure the short-term gain to be derived from Etebo's ability versus the medium-to-long term loss which might arise if a dodgy attitude starts to infect the dressing room.
My money's on Attitude beating Ability.
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Post by stokie1 on Jul 31, 2020 13:39:44 GMT
I'd like to think that O'Neill may not be as stubborn as this. At the end of the day, we need good quality players; these two are just that. Michael isn't inherently "stubborn" - if anything, he's pragmatic, as his masterful handling of that balloon Kyle Lafferty proved (got him playing for a campaign, then eventually replaced him with a far less talented, but much more committed, professional in Josh Magennis, who he'd been preparing for just that eventuality) So that he'll measure the short-term gain to be derived from Etebo's ability versus the medium-to-long term loss which might arise if a dodgy attitude starts to infect the dressing room.
My money's on Attitude beating Ability.
Etebo might be worth a punt if he can persuade MON he wants to play for us. He is decent central midfielder which is somewhere we need some strength in depth. |
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Post by macarisredarmy on Jul 31, 2020 13:44:09 GMT
It'll all come out in the wash. Want a long term move lads? Better get playing for us then. I really hope MON won't suffer fools gladly if they don't perform though. Current evidence is he wouldn't stand for it.
The last thing we need is people who can't be bothered when we have a renewed/more hungry looking set of regular players.
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2020 13:46:44 GMT
Be the same kind of story with Badou. No one will part with hard cash for either of these two clowns. There was a glimmer of hope before but now the world economy is on life support and zero match day revenue we don't have an earthly. Heaven knows what we do. .... suggest we tell them to play for us (properly) or sit on the bench & get splinters. However, I suspect there is no way back with MON. Credit to him 'Play for us properly' would be kinda nice, sort of how you might expect things to work! But I don't see it either. As others have said we need every last man Jack pulling in the same direction, MON won't accept anything less and rightly so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 13:52:35 GMT
Fucking play, fucking properly, or get in the fucking U23s for the remainder of your contract. Just imagine if he'd stayed here, knuckled down, been our best midfielder, he might have a promoted side looking at him now, for another tilt at the PL. But no, he's a lower half Championship player again. Same goes for his mate. Let's see how many of the newly-relegated teams have huge issues with players wanting out. Norwich will be sound, they have a Championship squad. Watford and Bournemouth have been in the Premier League a long time though, going to have a lot of players who think they're much better than Championship level. The thing is though, Bournemouth have sold Ake already for about forty million, they both have players which they'll be able to actually shift. Something us, West Brom and Swansea didn't really... Apart from Shaq who we got a pittance for as a result of his contract. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 31, 2020 13:56:59 GMT
I could have told you this would pan out like this before the ink on his contract had dried.
He'll be back out on loan next season, as will N'diaye.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 31, 2020 14:23:43 GMT
With our hands tied due to ffp unless we get top dollar its not in our interests ffp wise to sell so I would tell his agent he's got 3 options.
Find a buyer who will pay top dollar.
Find a loan club who will pay a fee and 100% of etebos wages.
The player returns to stoke and will train with the u18's or bomb squad for the season as he's not wanted near the first team squad. If he refuses to train don't pay him.
The best interests of our club is what's important now not a group of mercenaries.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 14:29:21 GMT
Is it me or is Peter not pulling enough tree stumps for people to exercise the purchase option. Another problem for MON to sort out. Yeah it's always you! No, it doesn't even have anything to do with Etebo. Getafe never had much money in the first place, but with the Covid hitting Spain hard, they simply won't be able to take on Etebo full time unless we give him away for free and pay 98% of his wages. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 14:33:44 GMT
If they were looking like the part and really pushing Getafe on, then I'm sure the money would change hands. It hasn't and it won't. They are hum-drum players we played too too much for. For clubs like Getafe they're never ever going to spend £3-4m on a player unless they're absolutely stand out performers. It was never going to happen, did he actually even play? Surprise, surprise, he actually did. But he got injured and when he came back, he couldn't get into a settled team that was doing well. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2020 14:35:07 GMT
With our hands tied due to ffp unless we get top dollar its not in our interests ffp wise to sell so I would tell his agent he's got 3 options. Find a buyer who will pay top dollar. Find a loan club who will pay a fee and 100% of etebos wages. The player returns to stoke and will train with the u18's or bomb squad for the season as he's not wanted near the first team squad. If he refuses to train don't pay him. The best interests of our club is what's important now not a group of mercenaries. The manager wants him gone as much as he allegedly wants out, so I'm not sure how a hardline stance of training with the U18s will wash. If all parties want out then you have to get it done. The fact we seemingly can't sell a 24/25 year old international midfielder without violating FFP speaks very different volumes though. With every passing deal or problem it just cements how awful our recruitment has been for years. |
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