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Post by crapslinger on Dec 24, 2019 19:40:48 GMT
Answer he felt Woods was more disciplined staggering Do you really expect him to tell the truth? No manager in the history of the game has ever done that. People go through what is said to the press like fundamentalists going through scriptures. They find something to back their argument and quote it for the rest of time. So we agree MON is another yes man, a puppet and a liar
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Post by lordb on Dec 24, 2019 20:27:12 GMT
Do you really expect him to tell the truth? No manager in the history of the game has ever done that. People go through what is said to the press like fundamentalists going through scriptures. They find something to back their argument and quote it for the rest of time. So we agree MON is another yes man, a puppet and a liar Otherwise known as a football manager
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 20:38:58 GMT
Do you really expect him to tell the truth? No manager in the history of the game has ever done that. People go through what is said to the press like fundamentalists going through scriptures. They find something to back their argument and quote it for the rest of time. So we agree MON is another yes man, a puppet and a liar Ha, I’m sorry but in what line of work are you allowed to say no to the chairman of the company and their wishes and then state your disagreement in an open public forum?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 24, 2019 21:06:27 GMT
Would you want to be here when the shamrock.fergie thinks woods is a better championship holding midfielder either O’Neil is an idiot or he has been told he can’t pick certain players either way it’s going to create an even faster tailspin Cue he’s allowed to sign NI plodders short term That will be used to sacrifice him on if he’s doesn’t walk when the inevitable drop comes nicely side stepping any true accountability again He's not an idiot. Either he's been told not to play Badou because a deal was in the offing or he chose not to play him because a deal was in the offing. Stop focussing on the manager, train your guns into Scholes This is like when Cartwright was getting pelters. Wrong target. Scholes is responsible, possibly J Coates Or Badou told MON he didn't want to play for us.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 24, 2019 21:14:04 GMT
So we agree MON is another yes man, a puppet and a liar Ha, I’m sorry but in what line of work are you allowed to say no to the chairman of the company and their wishes and then state your disagreement in an open public forum? It's called self respect and having a pair of bollocks or is he just here to take orders lie to the supporters and take the clubs money, does he think anyone believed his lame arse excuses for not playing our best players, he is the manager it is his responsibility to play the best players we have to gain as many points as possible to save our sorry arses.
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Post by Gods on Dec 24, 2019 21:25:28 GMT
14 million more quid simply pissed up the wall on this feckless clown and he's still not off the wage bill.
Thanks for fuck all Badou and see you in July.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 24, 2019 21:35:53 GMT
Do you really expect him to tell the truth? No manager in the history of the game has ever done that. People go through what is said to the press like fundamentalists going through scriptures. They find something to back their argument and quote it for the rest of time. So we agree MON is another yes man, a puppet and a liar Well....according to some (one)
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Post by kustokie on Dec 24, 2019 21:36:19 GMT
So we agree MON is another yes man, a puppet and a liar Ha, I’m sorry but in what line of work are you allowed to say no to the chairman of the company and their wishes and then state your disagreement in an open public forum? Politics!
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 24, 2019 21:41:07 GMT
So we agree MON is another yes man, a puppet and a liar Well....according to some (one) So he didn't lie then owd un ? if he truly believes Woods is a better option then fair play he is yet another incompetent manager
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 24, 2019 22:13:24 GMT
Well....according to some (one) So he didn't lie then owd un ? if he truly believes Woods is a better option then fair play he is yet another incompetent manager “Personally”. I haven’t heard MON deride any individual/particular player, perhaps I haven’t heard all of his interviews. I do try and listen to what he says (or doesn’t) and then make an informed opinion, perhaps wrongly. I’m unfortunate like most to know what’s going on behind the scenes and issues that may force a managers hand in picking a team from those available. I really wish I was in the inner circle like some on the Oatcake.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 24, 2019 22:24:24 GMT
Ha, I’m sorry but in what line of work are you allowed to say no to the chairman of the company and their wishes and then state your disagreement in an open public forum? It's called self respect and having a pair of bollocks or is he just here to take orders lie to the supporters and take the clubs money, does he think anyone believed his lame arse excuses for not playing our best players, he is the manager it is his responsibility to play the best players we have to gain as many points as possible to save our sorry arses. Technically his responsibility is to follow the instructions of the owners of the club.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 24, 2019 22:27:44 GMT
So he didn't lie then owd un ? if he truly believes Woods is a better option then fair play he is yet another incompetent manager “Personally”. I haven’t heard MON deride any individual/particular player, perhaps I haven’t heard all of his interviews. I do try and listen to what he says (or doesn’t) and then make an informed opinion, perhaps wrongly. I’m unfortunate like most to know what’s going on behind the scenes and issues that may force a managers hand in picking a team from those available. I really wish I was in the inner circle like some on the Oatcake. Should have gone to Specsavers they do hearing aids now Woods is apparently more "disciplined" ! WTF he's 90% less likely to effect a game positively, it's not like we desperately need the points is it Merry Christmas.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 24, 2019 22:32:21 GMT
It's called self respect and having a pair of bollocks or is he just here to take orders lie to the supporters and take the clubs money, does he think anyone believed his lame arse excuses for not playing our best players, he is the manager it is his responsibility to play the best players we have to gain as many points as possible to save our sorry arses. Technically his responsibility is to follow the instructions of the owners of the club. That's what the Nazis said at Nuremberg, wee waz just ze following orders FFS we desperately needed a man with a spine and landed a fcuking jellyfish.
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Post by rawli on Dec 24, 2019 22:34:53 GMT
Ha, I’m sorry but in what line of work are you allowed to say no to the chairman of the company and their wishes and then state your disagreement in an open public forum? It's called self respect and having a pair of bollocks or is he just here to take orders lie to the supporters and take the clubs money, does he think anyone believed his lame arse excuses for not playing our best players, he is the manager it is his responsibility to play the best players we have to gain as many points as possible to save our sorry arses. Do they celebrate Christmas in Cloud Cuckoo Land? If so, have a good one.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 24, 2019 22:47:20 GMT
Without knowing the full facts I'm not sure how anyone can blame MON for this one.
Law of probabability says A) he wanted out B) we have had to let him go to save on wages (with FFP in mind) C) both of the above
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Post by kustokie on Dec 24, 2019 23:14:36 GMT
Well....according to some (one) So he didn't lie then owd un ? if he truly believes Woods is a better option then fair play he is yet another incompetent manager What’s he supposed to say? “N’daye and Etebo are much better than Woods and Ince (who we know are only championship level players) because we can’t afford them and we don’t want them to get injured before we sell them”. In the last presser he came as close as he could to admitting what’s going on by saying that he is picking the players that he believes have the right attitude to get us out of the situation we’re in. That’s management speak for I am trying a build a team around a core of players that are still likely to be here in January. By inference, he’s leaving out better players that will be sold or sent back to cut costs: Etebo, N’daye, BMI, and a few others will be gone. It’s somewhat reassuring that he’s picking Butland, Allen, Ba’ath, and McLean because that’s arguably the best of the bunch we have a chance of keeping. It’s not a pretty picture.
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Post by BuzzB on Dec 24, 2019 23:17:54 GMT
Where is it confirmed at this end?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 23:37:35 GMT
Technically his responsibility is to follow the instructions of the owners of the club. That's what the Nazis said at Nuremberg, wee waz just ze following orders FFS we desperately needed a man with a spine and landed a fcuking jellyfish. Godwin's law
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 24, 2019 23:41:48 GMT
Well, you can't argue with the process.
Merry fucking Christmas.
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 25, 2019 0:35:50 GMT
Technically his responsibility is to follow the instructions of the owners of the club. That's what the Nazis said at Nuremberg, wee waz just ze following orders FFS we desperately needed a man with a spine and landed a fcuking jellyfish. Who did MON Gas? I wish he would give them some gas. Point is, don't assume that what we fans want (instant gratification) is perfectly aligned with the owners and club's needs (long term survival and return to better days). I am not ITK at all, nor do I want to see this happen, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility that for longer term benefit, the owners feel it is more important to set in place the foundation for rebuilding even if that means another drop.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 25, 2019 8:56:14 GMT
Well....according to some (one) So he didn't lie then owd un ? if he truly believes Woods is a better option then fair play he is yet another incompetent manager You really are quite clueless. Either that or you just have to find no matter how nonsensical to have a pop at the club you so clearly hate. There's always a degree of confidentiality around a transfer - when did you last hear a manager say in public that a player has been dropped because a deal is in the process of being agreed with another club? I'll give you a clue - never. Which, according to your perverse logic, makes every manager who has ever lived a liar and a yes man. Badou has become the new Bojan - just another stick to batter the manager with. The bizarre thing is up until he came back in from the cold for a few games he was almost universally hatted and then all of a sudden he becomes our saviour. I don't have a problem with Badou - he's good enough to play at a higher level and a footballers career is short - good luck to him. I don't have a problem with O'Neil over this either - the club and the player wanted him gone and O'Neil wants to build a settled side around players with some commitment to the club and at the very least no immediate transfer in progress. Perfectly sensible decision not to play him. But then I actually like the club I support so I'm biased. Merry Xmas. Oh sorry - Bah Humbug.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 25, 2019 9:08:18 GMT
So he didn't lie then owd un ? if he truly believes Woods is a better option then fair play he is yet another incompetent manager You really are quite clueless. Either that or you just have to find no matter how nonsensical to have a pop at the club you so clearly hate. There's always a degree of confidentiality around a transfer - when did you last hear a manager say in public that a player has been dropped because a deal is in the process of being agreed with another club? I'll give you a clue - never. Which, according to your perverse logic, makes every manager who has ever lived a liar and a yes man. Badou has become the new Bojan - just another stick to batter the manager with. The bizarre thing is up until he came back in from the cold for a few games he was almost universally hatted and then all of a sudden he becomes our saviour. I don't have a problem with Badou - he's good enough to play at a higher level and a footballers career is short - good luck to him. I don't have a problem with O'Neil over this either - the club and the player wanted him gone and O'Neil wants to build a settled side around players with some commitment to the club and at the very least no immediate transfer in progress. Perfectly sensible decision not to play him. But then I actually like the club I support so I'm biased. Merry Xmas. Oh sorry - Bah Humbug. It's a fcuking loan deal to a club with little money, I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying most of his wage, meanwhile we have been pissing points away with the worst midfield we have ever had.
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Post by lordb on Dec 25, 2019 10:52:48 GMT
He's not an idiot. Either he's been told not to play Badou because a deal was in the offing or he chose not to play him because a deal was in the offing. Stop focussing on the manager, train your guns into Scholes This is like when Cartwright was getting pelters. Wrong target. Scholes is responsible, possibly J Coates Or Badou told MON he didn't want to play for us. Possibly but unlikely I think in this instance He looked very keen when he did play under O'Neill though.
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Post by Davef on Dec 25, 2019 11:21:14 GMT
You really are quite clueless. Either that or you just have to find no matter how nonsensical to have a pop at the club you so clearly hate. There's always a degree of confidentiality around a transfer - when did you last hear a manager say in public that a player has been dropped because a deal is in the process of being agreed with another club? I'll give you a clue - never. Which, according to your perverse logic, makes every manager who has ever lived a liar and a yes man. Badou has become the new Bojan - just another stick to batter the manager with. The bizarre thing is up until he came back in from the cold for a few games he was almost universally hatted and then all of a sudden he becomes our saviour. I don't have a problem with Badou - he's good enough to play at a higher level and a footballers career is short - good luck to him. I don't have a problem with O'Neil over this either - the club and the player wanted him gone and O'Neil wants to build a settled side around players with some commitment to the club and at the very least no immediate transfer in progress. Perfectly sensible decision not to play him. But then I actually like the club I support so I'm biased. Merry Xmas. Oh sorry - Bah Humbug. It's a fcuking loan deal to a club with little money, I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying most of his wage, meanwhile we have been pissing points away with the worst midfield we have ever had. It's been reported that Trabzonspor are paying all his wages.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 25, 2019 11:31:07 GMT
It's a fcuking loan deal to a club with little money, I wouldn't be surprised if we are paying most of his wage, meanwhile we have been pissing points away with the worst midfield we have ever had. It's been reported that Trabzonspor are paying all his wages. I'm more concerned about what happens with this deal after the loan expires! Have we secured a permanent deal for decent money or will he return while his value decreases month by month?
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Post by deadwait on Dec 25, 2019 12:07:29 GMT
I agree with Craps on this situation !. Badou always when chosen appeared to put maximum effort in. If playing him more regularly would have gained more points and I believe it would, then it was foolhardy not to do so. Managers choice and look where we find ourselves.
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Post by Davef on Dec 25, 2019 12:08:55 GMT
It's been reported that Trabzonspor are paying all his wages. I'm more concerned about what happens with this deal after the loan expires! Have we secured a permanent deal for decent money or will he return while his value decreases month by month? We're not going to get our money back and I'd suggest that we won't pay the full transfer fee for him anyway considering that he went back to Galatasaray for twelve months. The priority will be to get his £35,000 a week wages off the books.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 25, 2019 13:14:45 GMT
I'm more concerned about what happens with this deal after the loan expires! Have we secured a permanent deal for decent money or will he return while his value decreases month by month? We're not going to get our money back and I'd suggest that we won't pay the full transfer fee for him anyway considering that he went back to Galatasaray for twelve months. The priority will be to get his £35,000 a week wages off the books. Should at least give us £3-4M back + wages off our back? Still a fantastic bad deal for us all in all I'd say!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2019 13:33:38 GMT
Badou will have little value after this loan in terms of a transfer fee
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Post by ibby on Dec 25, 2019 15:07:49 GMT
Some players will have to go, to make room for new signing..
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