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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 25, 2020 19:56:56 GMT
Joe Allen has been the least of our problems. It’s baffling that people jump on his back straight away, when all he has done is be loyal and worked his bollocks off for Stoke City, regardless of form. Yet players who don’t give a shit about the club ie. Etebo & Badou are admired on here and in the stands, yet at the first opportunity they are out the door. I believe under MON we are seeing the players who want to play for this club. There is a reason why Joe Allen is never dropped. He sets an example to everyone else of what playing for the shirt is and now everyone is around him is getting their shit together your seeing the quality player that the sensible ones know he can be. He's been very good under O'Neill, but still everybody is for sale at the right price I guess!
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Post by liathroid on Jan 25, 2020 20:16:01 GMT
JOE ALLEN well played you were hit and miss today, but you never give up ,thank you
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Post by datguy on Jan 25, 2020 20:46:00 GMT
Can’t believe he still divides opinion so much it’s crazy!! Is the only player that is attracting interest from the premier league.. Shit first half but good second half. Sounds to me exactly like a player that divides opinion.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2020 21:02:13 GMT
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Post by eddyclamp on Jan 25, 2020 21:04:44 GMT
Joe Allen is the most important player in the club I just hope he is still here when the window shuts.
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Post by liathroid on Jan 25, 2020 21:05:13 GMT
let him at it
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Post by pembo82 on Jan 25, 2020 22:31:59 GMT
Can’t believe he still divides opinion so much it’s crazy!! Is the only player that is attracting interest from the premier league.. Shit first half but good second half. Sounds to me exactly like a player that divides opinion. He was denied by a good save in the first half. I don’t understand how Joe Allen’s benchmark is higher than everyone else and more overly criticised than anyone. The fact he stayed with us and committed to the club when he didn’t need to shows the attitude he has. He could have easily moved on and been payed the same if he had gone when we were relegated but he didn’t. The blinkered opinion that people have on him that he’s stayed for money, he has to play every week is crazy. He could have hindered his career by dropping a division but he signed a new contract??
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 25, 2020 22:53:58 GMT
Can’t believe he still divides opinion so much it’s crazy!! Is the only player that is attracting interest from the premier league.. Shit first half but good second half. Sounds to me exactly like a player that divides opinion. “Shit first half”..........b******s. Joe Allen leads by example and yet if he makes a miss placed pass he’s some form of antichrist for some. Get real.......
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Post by pembo82 on Jan 25, 2020 23:42:21 GMT
Shit first half but good second half. Sounds to me exactly like a player that divides opinion. “Shit first half”..........b******s. Joe Allen leads by example and yet if he makes a miss placed pass he’s some form of antichrist for some. Get real....... The mind boggles how a respected player by football professionals is viewed by an alarming number of posters as the root of our demise!!! There has been more acceptance of Berahino from people on here at times which is crazy!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 0:03:41 GMT
Premier League football , championship football , professional football is not about micro analysis of every little mistake or misplaced pass .
In professional football it's all about being able to go out there and have an impact , make a difference .
In pro football , being able to go out there , week in week out and make a difference, is very very difficult .
Players who can do that in the prem , Steven Gerrard, Frank lampard etc are outstanding footballers
And players who can do it in the championship , like Joe Allen , are good players
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 0:14:24 GMT
Cracks me up how when Liverpool edged Stoke out of a league cup semi final , that could have gone either way
All the Stoke fans were ...' I tell you what , that Joe Allen is a good player... really kept them going when they were on the ropes ... respect ...blah blah
Now a fair few of those fans , think he is sh*te
If he is sh#te why was he even playing for Liverpool .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 0:36:58 GMT
He has absolutely improved dramatically since MON came in but I would still sell if the bids get above 10m. His balloon chasing, gut busting style is all well and good if he can do the basics which isn't always the case. But remove the effort and I'm not sure what Joe can offer. He's 29, realistically what does he have left to be able to put himself about like does? a couple of years? I would trust our manager to get an adequate replacement as well but this ffp threat bollocks really needs to be put to bed asap. I go the other way , I think he would be very hard to replace . In a perfect world , the job of an all action midfielder is to run all day , get tackles in , break up the play , and hopefully get goals and assists aswell Well he has ran all day , broke up the play , set up clucas for our first ( an assist ) and the only reason he hasn't got scored is because there keeper many an excellent save from a powerfully struck shot heading for the bottom corner . That's more than any mid fielders did playing for Swansea .
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 26, 2020 0:41:54 GMT
Cracks me up how when Liverpool edged Stoke out of a league cup semi final , that could have gone either way All the Stoke fans were ...' I tell you what , that Joe Allen is a good player... really kept them going when they were on the ropes ... respect ...blah blah Now a fair few of those fans , think he is sh*te If he is sh#te why was he even playing for Liverpool . Ever heard of Alec Lindsay?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 26, 2020 1:09:49 GMT
I can't believe some people are still having a go about Joe Allen. It's ridiculous.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 26, 2020 8:48:15 GMT
I can't believe some people are still having a go about Joe Allen. It's ridiculous. He is our biggest player atm, Improved massively. We need to keep hold of both clucas and allen until the summer at least
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Post by britvic72 on Jan 26, 2020 9:21:29 GMT
He’s like marmite.
Yes he had a poorer first half but against what benchmark? Joe Allen whose level is above many others and definitely above the level of those watching from the stands who know how easy it is to miss control a ball.
He had a poor touch a few times but still either won it back or tried. He never gave up.
The quick touches and movement off the ball wasn’t matched by a player from either side first half.
Second half he corrected the small errors and did what Joe Allen does.
MOM for me.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 26, 2020 9:32:52 GMT
I think most of us can agree he was shite during most games under Jones, but quite the opposite under O'Neill. He is a very good player, but under both Rowett and Jones he was at best mediocre, but under O'Neill he has really blossomed like so many other players. At the moment just a few won't say he is our most important player.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 26, 2020 9:40:12 GMT
After a poor first 15 by the whole team, Allen was one of the players who stood up and played us back into it. The new system clearly suits him and Clucas, they are on their natural sides and can come forward into the ball. Previously they were in front of the ball and relying on the pivot to play them in but now we go longer and wider and then bring them in. Our first goal showed this, the last 3 touches were Powell, Allen and Clucas as all 3 were around the box, that wouldn’t have happened with Cousins as the pivot
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 26, 2020 9:45:40 GMT
In typical Joe fashion, because his head's always down and he lacks composure, he was pretty sloppy in possession.
But he was excellent at intercepting the ball and started most of our attacks and counters - particularly high up the pitch.
Arguably MOTM
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 26, 2020 9:46:12 GMT
Unfortunately the type of player that Joe is will always get singled out for criticism.
And there’s one simple reason. He doesn’t hide. He’s brave. By that I mean he’s brave in demanding the ball. In looking to make an impact. Not just going through the motions. He’s not perfect but then he wouldn’t be with us if he was.
We used to have thirty page threads exactly like this on Delap, Whelan, Walters and others.
Players cut from the same cloth.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 27, 2020 10:02:00 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2020 10:05:27 GMT
Can’t believe he still divides opinion so much it’s crazy!! Is the only player that is attracting interest from the premier league.. Mad innit!!! I think some people ripped him apart under Jones, so much so that they don't have the face to admit that he's actually a good player..... It was Jones tactics, formation, management, call it what you will, that was shit, and it made all the team look shit...not just Joe!!! Bullshit. He’s been crap for us under consecutive managers.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 27, 2020 10:06:18 GMT
Thank God he's not going to either!!! My other half is a Hammer and I have three close mates who are Villa fans!
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Post by mrred on Jan 27, 2020 10:16:31 GMT
Unfortunately the type of player that Joe is will always get singled out for criticism. And there’s one simple reason. He doesn’t hide. He’s brave. By that I mean he’s brave in demanding the ball. In looking to make an impact. Not just going through the motions. He’s not perfect but then he wouldn’t be with us if he was. We used to have thirty page threads exactly like this on Delap, Whelan, Walters and others. Players cut from the same cloth. That may well be the case, but even by his own admission he's been poor. He would drift into positions at the wrong times, leaving an already frail back line exposed. Now, he's reading the game better, his positioning is better and our shape looks better with it.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 27, 2020 10:25:22 GMT
Mad innit!!! I think some people ripped him apart under Jones, so much so that they don't have the face to admit that he's actually a good player..... It was Jones tactics, formation, management, call it what you will, that was shit, and it made all the team look shit...not just Joe!!! Bullshit. He’s been crap for us under consecutive managers. It's all about opinions bayern..... And thank you for yours, but I'll take it with a pinch of salt!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2020 10:29:37 GMT
Bullshit. He’s been crap for us under consecutive managers. It's all about opinions bayern..... And thank you for yours, but I'll take it with a pinch of salt!!! My opinion has been more spot on than not in these last 4 years so heavens knows why. We were a disorganised mess. The key to that was Allen running around leaving gaps. If he had a brain he would have realised this.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 27, 2020 10:29:47 GMT
Really can't see there is anyway we would let him go this week. It would completely muck up preparations for Friday's game and I can't imagine he would play, then be sold prior to the deadline. Either he goes early in the week or not at all for me.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 27, 2020 11:16:25 GMT
It's all about opinions bayern..... And thank you for yours, but I'll take it with a pinch of salt!!! My opinion has been more spot on than not in these last 4 years so heavens knows why. We were a disorganised mess. The key to that was Allen running around leaving gaps. If he had a brain he would have realised this. Weird how it coincides with the last 4 shit managers!!! 🤔
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2020 11:18:13 GMT
My opinion has been more spot on than not in these last 4 years so heavens knows why. We were a disorganised mess. The key to that was Allen running around leaving gaps. If he had a brain he would have realised this. Weird how it coincides with the last 4 shit managers!!! 🤔 Hughes wasn't a shit manager. Signing Allen was one of his biggest mistakes though. Edit - I don't think Rowett is a shit manager either tbh.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Jan 27, 2020 11:55:29 GMT
My opinion has been more spot on than not in these last 4 years so heavens knows why. We were a disorganised mess. The key to that was Allen running around leaving gaps. If he had a brain he would have realised this. Weird how it coincides with the last 4 shit managers!!! 🤔 Biggest mistake was signing our current best player. Give me strength man.
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