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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 13:04:18 GMT
He should be given a fair chance. I'm not impressed myself , mainly by his ( out of touch) Brexit stance nor his dour demeanour and but sometimes " cometh the hour , cometh the man"...He has an enormous task but at least he has an opportunity to break from Labour's ineffective recent past. Perhaps the current global difficulty could actually play into his hands, any government would be criticised in this situation. It's a bit disingenuous to try to promote his working class past....I think that his father was just a toolmaker, but owned a toolmakers ' factory and like many politicians he enjoyed a relatively privileged upbringing. Yep, I'm not exactly enthused by him personally but I'll be reserving much judgement until he appoints his shadow cabinet. If he fills it full of the labour right then I'll be worried. He needs a genuinely broad assortment if he's going to keep the left in party. Starting off on a bad footing with a huge number of people. My main worry is his appeal to the red wall. I'm not sure he is the right person to win it back.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2020 13:04:36 GMT
Shortest. Honeymoon. Ever.
About 25 minutes.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2020 13:20:31 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 4, 2020 13:28:27 GMT
He should be given a fair chance. I'm not impressed myself , mainly by his ( out of touch) Brexit stance nor his dour demeanour and but sometimes " cometh the hour , cometh the man"...He has an enormous task but at least he has an opportunity to break from Labour's ineffective recent past. Perhaps the current global difficulty could actually play into his hands, any government would be criticised in this situation. It's a bit disingenuous to try to promote his working class past....I think that his father was just a toolmaker, but owned a toolmakers ' factory and like many politicians he enjoyed a relatively privileged upbringing. Yep, I'm not exactly enthused by him personally but I'll be reserving much judgement until he appoints his shadow cabinet. If he fills it full of the labour right then I'll be worried. He needs a genuinely broad assortment if he's going to keep the left in party. Starting off on a bad footing with a huge number of people. My main worry is his appeal to the red wall. I'm not sure he is the right person to win it back. The perennial Labour problem....to keep the issue driven principled ( in my opinion, often too inward looking, debating points that are largely irrelevant in the wider real political world, detrimental even) vocal members and activists on side, and at the same time appeal to the ordinary working class who actually have a different simpler agenda, just want to get on with their lives, in their own way, without having to ascribe to thoughts and stances irrelevant to them and again at the same time to appeal to those voters who count in elections,in the marginal seats. For me principles are fine but you have also got to start from what the electorate are reasonably interpreted to be saying. Somehow Corbyn and McDonnell still wanted to fight the class battle of the 1970s and 80s...and completely misread Brexit.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 4, 2020 13:29:58 GMT
& I’ll take it you realise that Bonzo & the Band have taken the fabric of society apart, even set them on each other & now we’re reaping their legacy☹️ Depends on who the competition is to Bojo run the show really. Boris: v Maggie May-Bot? - yes v Steptoe the antisemitic twat? - absafuckinlutely v Blair? Tricky one. Depends if we're looking to bomb and murder innocent foreigners. Horses for courses really The Bonz horse is lame & needs putting out of our misery, but you go ahead & point that fickle finger elsewhere🙈🙉🙊
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 4, 2020 13:33:06 GMT
U turn. Joris & chums are doing donuts in the car park. Wakey-Wakey Wodger
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 4, 2020 13:36:24 GMT
Shortest. Honeymoon. Ever. About 25 minutes. I'm no momentum fan but what's wrong with holding people in power to account? Cumshot and Bozo have really worked a number haven't they. They have people craving dictatorship!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 4, 2020 13:39:23 GMT
Depends on who the competition is to Bojo run the show really. Boris: v Maggie May-Bot? - yes v Steptoe the antisemitic twat? - absafuckinlutely v Blair? Tricky one. Depends if we're looking to bomb and murder innocent foreigners. Horses for courses really The Bonz horse is lame & needs putting out of our misery, but you go ahead & point that fickle finger elsewhere🙈🙉🙊 Says the one who so far can't comment on the next Labour leader on the Next Labour Leader thread. 'The lady doth protest too much, methinks'. Hamlet Act -III, Scene-II
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 4, 2020 13:44:30 GMT
The Bonz horse is lame & needs putting out of our misery, but you go ahead & point that fickle finger elsewhere🙈🙉🙊 Says the one who so far can't comment on the next Labour leader on the Next Labour Leader thread. 'The lady doth protest too much, methinks'. Hamlet Act -III, Scene-IIBarking up the wrong tree again: Rubarb&Custard Act VI, Scene III.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2020 14:06:30 GMT
Shortest. Honeymoon. Ever. About 25 minutes. I'm no momentum fan but what's wrong with holding people in power to account? Cumshot and Bozo have really worked a number haven't they. They have people craving dictatorship! How do Momentum hold Keir to account? He's their leader until further notice? Unless they lead anti Starmer wrecking votes at conference or try and unseat Starmerites in the CLP's. In a normal world the opposition holds the Government to account but within half an hour of the result Momentum are promising to hold Starmer to account!?! You don't think a better tweet would have been 'we support Keir in holding the Tories to account'? I think we both know what will happen here. The Labour Party will split very publicly. Before, the Leader's office was in lock step with the majority of the members but not anymore. As I posted earlier it's only a matter of how Keir manages this decline. Swift and heartless or long and political.
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 4, 2020 14:15:43 GMT
I'm no momentum fan but what's wrong with holding people in power to account? Cumshot and Bozo have really worked a number haven't they. They have people craving dictatorship! How do Momentum hold Keir to account? He's their leader until further notice? Unless they lead anti Starmer wrecking votes at conference or try and unseat Starmerites in the CLP's. In a normal world the opposition holds the Government to account but within half an hour of the result Momentum are promising to hold Starmer to account!?! You don't think a better tweet would have been 'we support Keir in holding the Tories to account'? I think we both know what will happen here. The Labour Party will split very publicly. Before, the Leader's office was in lock step with the majority of the members but not anymore. As I posted earlier it's only a matter of how Keir manages this decline. Swift and heartless or long and political. His first act was to apologise for anti semitism in the labour party, something that never happened / didn't exist according to many on here, ignoring the contradiction of campaigning for a guy who was responsible for this but I think the EHCR report and resulting lawsuits will cause more problems than the tin foilers splitting into factions.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 4, 2020 14:25:08 GMT
How do Momentum hold Keir to account? He's their leader until further notice? Unless they lead anti Starmer wrecking votes at conference or try and unseat Starmerites in the CLP's. In a normal world the opposition holds the Government to account but within half an hour of the result Momentum are promising to hold Starmer to account!?! You don't think a better tweet would have been 'we support Keir in holding the Tories to account'? I think we both know what will happen here. The Labour Party will split very publicly. Before, the Leader's office was in lock step with the majority of the members but not anymore. As I posted earlier it's only a matter of how Keir manages this decline. Swift and heartless or long and political. His first act was to apologise for anti semitism in the labour party, something that never happened / didn't exist according to many on here, ignoring the contradiction of campaigning for a guy who was responsible for this but I think the EHCR report and resulting lawsuits will cause more problems than the tin foilers splitting into factions. V Good show on Netflix at the minute called Unorthodox, about Hasidic Jews in Brooklyn. If anyone needs to understand the complexities of Anti-Zionism watch that, cause Hasidic Jews are Anti-Zionist(well most of them are) Dammed if you do, damned if you don’t...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 4, 2020 14:31:13 GMT
I'm no momentum fan but what's wrong with holding people in power to account? Cumshot and Bozo have really worked a number haven't they. They have people craving dictatorship! How do Momentum hold Keir to account? . In similar ways that Fatty Fois Gras and the ERG held Maybot and Bullyingdon to account. It's normal Politics. This Governing without scrutiny, decision making without questioning and blind faith in flawed human beings really is a very modern concept and seems to come from the warped mind of Cumface himself. He's clearly doing a good job mind, saps are literally lapping it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 14:51:48 GMT
Yep, I'm not exactly enthused by him personally but I'll be reserving much judgement until he appoints his shadow cabinet. If he fills it full of the labour right then I'll be worried. He needs a genuinely broad assortment if he's going to keep the left in party. Starting off on a bad footing with a huge number of people. My main worry is his appeal to the red wall. I'm not sure he is the right person to win it back. The perennial Labour problem....to keep the issue driven principled ( in my opinion, often too inward looking, debating points that are largely irrelevant in the wider real political world, detrimental even) vocal members and activists on side, and at the same time appeal to the ordinary working class who actually have a different simpler agenda, just want to get on with their lives, in their own way, without having to ascribe to thoughts and stances irrelevant to them and again at the same time to appeal to those voters who count in elections,in the marginal seats. For me principles are fine but you have also got to start from what the electorate are reasonably interpreted to be saying. Somehow Corbyn and McDonnell still wanted to fight the class battle of the 1970s and 80s...and completely misread Brexit. I think that class battle is just as bad as it was then to be honest. I'm not sure Corbyn was the one misreading Brexit really, it was mostly Starmer really! But I get what you mean. That said, if Starmer was to 'read the electorate' he'd be putting forward some things that are very much at odds with helping the working classes, the reason for labour's existence. The problem is more how you persuade the electorate that your policies are the best thing for them to believe in.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 4, 2020 15:01:10 GMT
Says the one who so far can't comment on the next Labour leader on the Next Labour Leader thread. 'The lady doth protest too much, methinks'. Hamlet Act -III, Scene-IIBarking up the wrong tree again: Rubarb&Custard Act VI, Scene III. Is that the one with the fake parrot called polystyrene
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Apr 4, 2020 15:05:45 GMT
Can someone who has followed Starmer's career tell me in which order of importance he would rank the following...
Trans rights. Grooming gangs. The gender pay gap. Mass immigration. Knife crime. Palestine.
... The answer to that will tell you everything you'll need to know about whether he'll be a good leader who will win back voters, or whether Labour should just move onto the next leader tomorrow.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2020 15:09:36 GMT
Can someone who has followed Starmer's career tell me in which order of importance he would rank the following... Trans rights. Grooming gangs. The gender pay gap. Mass immigration. Knife crime. Palestine. ... The answer to that will tell you everything you'll need to know about whether he'll be a good leader who will win back voters, or whether Labour should just move onto the next leader tomorrow. He was in charge of the black cab rapist John Worboys' prosecution.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2020 15:15:15 GMT
How do Momentum hold Keir to account? . In similar ways that Fatty Fois Gras and the ERG held Maybot and Bullyingdon to account. It's normal Politics. This Governing without scrutiny, decision making without questioning and blind faith in flawed human beings really is a very modern concept and seems to come from the warped mind of Cumface himself. He's clearly doing a good job mind, saps are literally lapping it up. But that's not the same situation. The leave/remain faction's of both parties are no more. Boris and Brexiteers have enough votes not be swayed by any remainers. He's actually got enough votes not to be swayed by the ERG but that's another matter. May's lack of majority meant she was pulled from pillar to post. That's not going to happen to Boris. Anyway, that was the Government. How do Momentum, hold Keir to account. Their sympathetic MP's are the minority in a very weak opposition.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 4, 2020 15:16:32 GMT
Can someone who has followed Starmer's career tell me in which order of importance he would rank the following... Trans rights. Grooming gangs. The gender pay gap. Mass immigration. Knife crime. Palestine. ... The answer to that will tell you everything you'll need to know about whether he'll be a good leader who will win back voters, or whether Labour should just move onto the next leader tomorrow. I dunno, the cunt in No 10 has a rap sheet 5 times as long and is about as beneficial for the working classes as TB. Labour need to start lying and coming out with meaningless populist phrases. It's clearly the way forward.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 4, 2020 15:39:37 GMT
The perennial Labour problem....to keep the issue driven principled ( in my opinion, often too inward looking, debating points that are largely irrelevant in the wider real political world, detrimental even) vocal members and activists on side, and at the same time appeal to the ordinary working class who actually have a different simpler agenda, just want to get on with their lives, in their own way, without having to ascribe to thoughts and stances irrelevant to them and again at the same time to appeal to those voters who count in elections,in the marginal seats. For me principles are fine but you have also got to start from what the electorate are reasonably interpreted to be saying. Somehow Corbyn and McDonnell still wanted to fight the class battle of the 1970s and 80s...and completely misread Brexit. I think that class battle is just as bad as it was then to be honest. I'm not sure Corbyn was the one misreading Brexit really, it was mostly Starmer really! But I get what you mean. That said, if Starmer was to 'read the electorate' he'd be putting forward some things that are very much at odds with helping the working classes, the reason for labour's existence. The problem is more how you persuade the electorate that your policies are the best thing for them to believe in. Lil, there is always a battle for justice and fairness. In the UK in particular this has cemented in a class battle. In one sense I agree, it is a constant battle that each age and generation has to fight( as is the battle for democracy, which goes hand in hand)...I have not got a problem with that...My problem is that they cannot seem to fight the battle as it actually is now...they seem.to re fight the battle of the past , in the terms of the past....and , for me, they come over as a backward looking , griping, moaning party, bearing grudges and grievances,portraying the working class as victims...no vision , no inspiration, no aspiration....I'm sure that you will claim and cite otherwise...but that's how I believe that they come over...and I don't just blame the press. I agree with most of what Clare Fox says in this interview
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 4, 2020 15:51:17 GMT
I think that class battle is just as bad as it was then to be honest. I'm not sure Corbyn was the one misreading Brexit really, it was mostly Starmer really! But I get what you mean. That said, if Starmer was to 'read the electorate' he'd be putting forward some things that are very much at odds with helping the working classes, the reason for labour's existence. The problem is more how you persuade the electorate that your policies are the best thing for them to believe in. Lil, there is always a battle for justice and fairness. In the UK in particular this has cemented in a class battle. In one sense I agree, it is a constant battle that each age and generation has to fight( as is the battle for democracy, which goes hand in hand)...I have not got a problem with that...My problem is that they cannot seem to fight the battle as it actually is now...they seem.to re fight the battle of the past , in the terms of the past....and , for me, they come over as a backward looking , griping, moaning party, bearing grudges and grievances,portraying the working class as victims...no vision , no inspiration, no aspiration....I'm sure that you will claim and cite otherwise...but that's how I believe that they come over...and I don't just blame the press. I agree with most of what Clare Fox says in this interview The saviour of the working classes Fuck me bandy.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 4, 2020 15:52:53 GMT
Multi millionaire in charge of the working mans party , old Boris will be in for the next ten years
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 4, 2020 16:08:22 GMT
So you're admitting JC wasn't upto the job then? 😊 Corbyn's legacy is changing the debate in this country and re engaging the young into Politics, history will treat him far more kindly than the filthy privileged right wing establishment who were so scared that their wealth, power and predominance in society would be questioned that they waved a ceaseless, establishment sponsored smear campaign upon him. Ably assisted by a compliant right wing media. He was by no means perfect, made a lot of errors, had poor advice and was let down by traitors in his own party and ultimately he probably wasn't quite up to it but he is continually been proven to be right and in post corona, his vision of society will be proven to be right again. One thing I know is that one Jeremy Corbyn is worth a million privileged Bullingdon cunt rags like Johnson. Top rant sheiky.... a load of old bollocks but top rant all the same !!! 😁😁😂
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 4, 2020 16:16:02 GMT
Lil, there is always a battle for justice and fairness. In the UK in particular this has cemented in a class battle. In one sense I agree, it is a constant battle that each age and generation has to fight( as is the battle for democracy, which goes hand in hand)...I have not got a problem with that...My problem is that they cannot seem to fight the battle as it actually is now...they seem.to re fight the battle of the past , in the terms of the past....and , for me, they come over as a backward looking , griping, moaning party, bearing grudges and grievances,portraying the working class as victims...no vision , no inspiration, no aspiration....I'm sure that you will claim and cite otherwise...but that's how I believe that they come over...and I don't just blame the press. I agree with most of what Clare Fox says in this interview The saviour of the working classes Fuck me bandy. You'll have to explain that to me Momo....it seems to have nothing to do with my post.except you have done exactly what I said about a moaning, griping Labour party, offering very little that is positive....I think that the Clare Fox interview would be worth watching....of course I think that you would dismiss what she is saying, but she is hardly one of the Burlington club.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 4, 2020 16:17:51 GMT
Corbyn's legacy is changing the debate in this country and re engaging the young into Politics, history will treat him far more kindly than the filthy privileged right wing establishment who were so scared that their wealth, power and predominance in society would be questioned that they waved a ceaseless, establishment sponsored smear campaign upon him. Ably assisted by a compliant right wing media. He was by no means perfect, made a lot of errors, had poor advice and was let down by traitors in his own party and ultimately he probably wasn't quite up to it but he is continually been proven to be right and in post corona, his vision of society will be proven to be right again. One thing I know is that one Jeremy Corbyn is worth a million privileged Bullingdon cunt rags like Johnson. Top rant sheiky.... a load of old bollocks but top rant all the same !!! 😁😁😂 Smears by the right wing media he says 🤔 www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/jeremy-corbyn-labour-manifesto-antisemitism-brexit'it was plain in every poll and focus group that Corbynism was electoral arsenic' - The Grauniad
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Post by felonious on Apr 4, 2020 16:45:31 GMT
He should be given a fair chance. I'm not impressed myself , mainly by his ( out of touch) Brexit stance nor his dour demeanour and but sometimes " cometh the hour , cometh the man"...He has an enormous task but at least he has an opportunity to break from Labour's ineffective recent past. Perhaps the current global difficulty could actually play into his hands, any government would be criticised in this situation. It's a bit disingenuous to try to promote his working class past... .I think that his father was just a toolmaker, but owned a toolmakers ' factory and like many politicians he enjoyed a relatively privileged upbringing.Really BJR and here's me not questioning Sheiky's words, what a snake Sir Starmer at the helm of the Labour party perhaps there's still a chance for Lord Kinnock yet
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 4, 2020 16:45:33 GMT
The saviour of the working classes Fuck me bandy. You'll have to explain that to me Momo....it seems to have nothing to do with my post.except you have done exactly what I said about a moaning, griping Labour party, offering very little that is positive....I think that the Clare Fox interview would be worth watching....of course I think that you would dismiss what she is saying, but she is hardly one of the Burlington club. So you’d prefer to lied to than be told the truth. That’s a bit childish or is it something else...
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Post by felonious on Apr 4, 2020 16:52:39 GMT
Corbyn's legacy is changing the debate in this country and re engaging the young into Politics, history will treat him far more kindly than the filthy privileged right wing establishment who were so scared that their wealth, power and predominance in society would be questioned that they waved a ceaseless, establishment sponsored smear campaign upon him. Ably assisted by a compliant right wing media. He was by no means perfect, made a lot of errors, had poor advice and was let down by traitors in his own party and ultimately he probably wasn't quite up to it but he is continually been proven to be right and in post corona, his vision of society will be proven to be right again. One thing I know is that one Jeremy Corbyn is worth a million privileged Bullingdon cunt rags like Johnson. Top rant sheiky.... a load of old bollocks but top rant all the same !!! 😁😁😂 The Oatcake's foremost rantboy
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 4, 2020 16:54:19 GMT
The right wing any old cum swallowers are busy tonight!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 4, 2020 16:58:16 GMT
U turn. Joris & chums are doing donuts in the car park. Wakey-Wakey Wodger
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