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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 17:02:14 GMT
I very much agree that Labour are poor at getting their point across but I do not believe my attitude or theirs in most cases to be elitist or patronising. I don't think it is that Labour are elitist or patronising, just that not enough of the public agree with them. A Then clearly the message as always is the problem . To suggest the reason is the electorate failed to grasp the message is patronising to say the least 😉 I don't think you're getting the point of my post, I'll explain it in simple language for you
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 18, 2020 17:04:46 GMT
A Then clearly the message as always is the problem . To suggest the reason is the electorate failed to grasp the message is patronising to say the least 😉 I don't think you're getting the point of my post, I'll explain it in simple language for you Go on then , carry on being patronising
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 18, 2020 17:04:56 GMT
Failing to convince someone that your alternative is preferable and viable and stating that failure is not patronising. That's how politics works. If its said they were too stupid to get it then yes thats patronising, but to say they werent convinced is how it works. It's not Labours job to reflect public opinion, its their job to convince people they have a viable plan. So what happens if their plan is not viable? Well this time we dont find out whether it is or isnt do we? Not enough people wanted to try. So its Bojos plan. That's it.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Feb 18, 2020 17:10:04 GMT
So what happens if their plan is not viable? Well this time we dont find out whether it is or isnt do we? Not enough people wanted to try. So its Bojos plan. That's it. It's pure conjecture, but I believe that Boris would have won without the Brexit issue. Corbyn's result against May was more about May being found out to be an automaton, than people believing in Corbyn.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 18, 2020 17:16:13 GMT
Well this time we dont find out whether it is or isnt do we? Not enough people wanted to try. So its Bojos plan. That's it. It's pure conjecture, but I believe that Boris would have won without the Brexit issue. Corbyn's result against May was more about May being found out to be an automaton, than people believing in Corbyn. That is conjecture. In 2019 maybe. In 2017 not so sure. If Labour were smart theyd have got Thornbury as leader for the next four years. Shes a good parliamentarian. She could have done a good job, taken all the press vitriol and become massively unpopular. Then a new leader in 4 years would give barely any time for the drip, drip negative coverage. Btw it's not patronising to say advertising works. Or negative advertising. It literally pays for everything we do, everyone is susceptible. I even started to wonder if I was fucking anti semitic by the last election.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 18, 2020 17:16:17 GMT
Well this time we dont find out whether it is or isnt do we? Not enough people wanted to try. So its Bojos plan. That's it. It's pure conjecture, but I believe that Boris would have won without the Brexit issue. Corbyn's result against May was more about May being found out to be an automaton, than people believing in Corbyn. Nah, not having that. The electorate must be thick and racist...otherwise how could they possibly have not elected Jezza and Labour?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2020 17:50:50 GMT
I don't think you're getting the point of my post, I'll explain it in simple language for you Go on then , carry on being patronising It comes with the job man/dude.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 18:08:18 GMT
I don't think you're getting the point of my post, I'll explain it in simple language for you Go on then , carry on being patronising Nah, you wouldn't understand anyway
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Post by salopstick on Feb 18, 2020 18:46:19 GMT
I'm not sorry about being reductive as I like to get to the heart of things quickly and I find your and Labour's attitude to the working class to be elitist and patronising. I'm purely observing as an interested party, and I'm witnessing the Labour Party tear itself apart. It's not for someone like me to come up with policies. I watch with interest because I want to see a credible and effective opposition to the Tories. What I would say is that you need to decide whether you want to be in power or in protest as you cannot have both. It's going to take a Blair V2.0 to take the fight to Boris; a pragmatic politician that will ditch the identity politics. You might wish to move the agenda on, but ordinary people will not let you because it's alienating. It hurts my head that you cannot see it! I don't think it is that Labour are elitist or patronising, just that not enough of the public agree with them. The fact that labour can do so well in London but lose their core support in the valleys, the working class north shows how patronising and elitist they are. The fact that some of them are still blaming the nasty brexiteers again shows how patronising and elitist they are. The modern Labour Party is so patronising and elitist to their traditional core support they have lost them for ever. If people really do turn in their graves there would have been an awful lot of it happening last December
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Post by felonious on Feb 18, 2020 21:14:16 GMT
I don't think you're getting the point of my post, I'll explain it in simple language for you Go on then , carry on being patronising Well Harry he's making his dad look like a great poster
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 19, 2020 8:44:48 GMT
Go on then , carry on being patronising Well Harry he's making his dad look like a great poster At least his dad knew when to stop digging 🤭
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 19, 2020 8:53:33 GMT
I don't think it is that Labour are elitist or patronising, just that not enough of the public agree with them. The fact that labour can do so well in London but lose their core support in the valleys, Labour didn’t lose their core support in the Valleys. They got a clean sweep... www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2019/results
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Post by ColonelMustard on Feb 19, 2020 8:57:02 GMT
I don't think it is that Labour are elitist or patronising, just that not enough of the public agree with them. The fact that labour can do so well in London but lose their core support in the valleys, the working class north shows how patronising and elitist they are. The fact that some of them are still blaming the nasty brexiteers again shows how patronising and elitist they are. The modern Labour Party is so patronising and elitist to their traditional core support they have lost them for ever. If people really do turn in their graves there would have been an awful lot of it happening last December Blair won three elections, but has been one of the main peoples vote type tosspot remainers and is as elitist as its possible to be, but he managed to hold onto the "working class vote". The right of the Labour Party and some on here think that's the direction the party should go in. I dont think its going to work. Corbyn lives and has been the MP in one of the poorest Boroghs in the country, became leader and wanted to tax the wealthy and redistribute and honour the Brexit vote. And he lost two elections. So that's not worked. What exactly do you think Labour do to reconnect? To go back to victories its back to Blair or back to the 70's. I dont think there would be a consensus among the lost vote about either. Possibly because much of that vote has left Labour rather than the other way around.
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Post by felonious on Feb 19, 2020 9:29:11 GMT
Well Harry he's making his dad look like a great poster At least his dad knew when to stop digging 🤭 I thought that was brought about by bans and deletions?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 19, 2020 19:09:40 GMT
Siri - show me a political party that obviously don't give a shit about being in Government ever again..... Ha ha ha ha
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 20, 2020 0:18:51 GMT
I don't think it is that Labour are elitist or patronising, just that not enough of the public agree with them. The fact that labour can do so well in London but lose their core support in the valleys, the working class north shows how patronising and elitist they are. The fact that some of them are still blaming the nasty brexiteers again shows how patronising and elitist they are. No it just shows they appeal to people in London. Some of the poorest estates in the UK are in London and they routinely vote Labour. It's nothing to do with being patronising or elitist. It's just that lots of politicians don't understand the country north of Watford.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 20, 2020 18:28:40 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 20, 2020 18:35:59 GMT
Shadow foreign secretary fucking hilarious might come in handy when dealing with Iran
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 21, 2020 0:08:34 GMT
Obviously just a bunch of transphobes who dont want to pay reparations for the slave trade, they just dont understand the big labour issues in the north east......
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 23, 2020 10:35:50 GMT
Not. A. Cult.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 11:56:31 GMT
Siri - show me a political party that obviously don't give a shit about being in Government ever again..... Ha ha ha haI mean, it's a good policy and rightly so we should pay reparations, but the timing on that is so unbelievably stupid.
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Post by hoffgreen on Feb 23, 2020 12:53:14 GMT
Pay reparations? Who to? What for? Are you mentally I'll?
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 23, 2020 12:55:31 GMT
Pay reparations? Who to? What for? Are you mentally I'll? Noooo, don’t feed him.....😂😂😂
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 23, 2020 13:37:17 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 23, 2020 13:44:35 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 23, 2020 14:40:42 GMT
Whiteness is a composite. Great way to rebuild that Red Wall.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 14:54:55 GMT
Pay reparations? Who to? What for? Are you mentally I'll? As McDonnell said, sharing green tech would be a good start. As would sharing other tech. Probably to former colonies. And because we as a nation murdered, pillaged, raped, stole and set back a huge portion of the Earth by hundreds of years in their development, alongside setting off the industrial revolution which led to the climate crisis we have today.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 23, 2020 15:06:37 GMT
Pay reparations? Who to? What for? Are you mentally I'll? As McDonnell said, sharing green tech would be a good start. As would sharing other tech. Probably to former colonies. And because we as a nation murdered, pillaged, raped, stole and set back a huge portion of the Earth by hundreds of years in their development, alongside setting off the industrial revolution which led to the climate crisis we have today. Yeah, once the Scandinavians (Vikings) and Italians (Romans) settle their bills with us we can pass it down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 15:09:39 GMT
As McDonnell said, sharing green tech would be a good start. As would sharing other tech. Probably to former colonies. And because we as a nation murdered, pillaged, raped, stole and set back a huge portion of the Earth by hundreds of years in their development, alongside setting off the industrial revolution which led to the climate crisis we have today. Yeah, once the Scandinavians (Vikings) and Italians (Romans) settle their bills with us we can pass it down the line. Fair enough, that's exactly the same as us sharing eco-tech with the countries we continued to damage a hundred years ago.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 23, 2020 16:24:15 GMT
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