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Post by xchpotter on Feb 15, 2020 13:23:55 GMT
Well the first question Kier Starmer congratulations on gaining the leadership Could you let me know how many predominantly Muslim grooming gangs were prosecuted whilst you were DPP Well, at least he’ll get their vote.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 15, 2020 13:25:44 GMT
Presumably the next Labour leader wants to be the Prime Minister of the UK. One way of looking at the role is that the PM is the Chief Executive Officer of the country. Rather than by executive appointment, or election, the appointee was decided by interview. In my opinion, like any job, one of the first6 questions would be along the lines" Do you believe in this country?" Boris would be ebulient in his answer. ( Farage would be unequivocal) I get the impression that Corbyn / Long Bailey would have to say "It's not too bad but there are alot of mistakes that we have made on the world stage that we have to make up for and the minorities in the country need all our support against the majority " Ideologically the left/ Labour might think that they are right and they might be right....personally I'd give the job to someone who can state clearly that they believe in it. Corbyn was asked that question and unequivocally said 'Yes'. Unfortunately because of his past history, other things he's said and other members of his shadow cabinet...people don't believe him....more like he has anticipted the question and learnt the " correct" answer. Lil , to be honest, debating with you is convincing me that Labour are finished.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 13:36:26 GMT
I don't think he's racist per se, I just see it as my point proven. The right have done a great job of making people rise up against migration, benefit frauds and cultural evolution. The left aren't having an easy job convincing people that those things aren't the issue. Unsure how they do it to be honest, because I think the right has done such a good job that in engraining that sentiment in people's minds that it's difficult to get any other view across. Personally, I see it as divide and conquer from the richest classes. Get the poor to blame immigrants and welfare recipients for their lack of opportunity instead of the richest who are hoarding the opportunity and wealth for themselves. I don't think it proves your point. To me it equally "proves" that those who support Labour keep saying that people like the man in the video are thinking wrongly and need to change....some Labour supporters would call him racist...per se or not....He won't be voting for them in the real world. Are you saying that people shouldn't think that other views are wrong? Of course I think other views aren't the best view and my own views are best, otherwise they wouldn't be my views?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 13:37:19 GMT
Corbyn was asked that question and unequivocally said 'Yes'. Unfortunately because of his past history, other things he's said and other members of his shadow cabinet...people don't believe him....more like he has anticipted the question and learnt the " correct" answer. Lil , to be honest, debating with you is convincing me that Labour are finished. So even when he says the right thing you think he's done it in the wrong way? I think they are too, and sadly I think the country is just more culturally right wing than I'd like it to be.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 15, 2020 13:43:05 GMT
Unfortunately because of his past history, other things he's said and other members of his shadow cabinet...people don't believe him....more like he has anticipted the question and learnt the " correct" answer. Lil , to be honest, debating with you is convincing me that Labour are finished. So even when he says the right thing you think he's done it in the wrong way? I think they are too, and sadly I think the country is just more culturally right wing than I'd like it to be. Yes , I do.For instance I still think at heart he is an avid committed Leaver of the EU but would never say so. Playing the parry political game rather than being a conviction politician.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 15, 2020 13:46:13 GMT
I find it staggering that saying over & over & over again how anyone who thinks differently to them is a racist, sexist, Islamophobic, transphobic, homophobic, xenophobic, bigotted, uneducated, hate filled, white supremacist, toxic man doesn't get anyone to switch views. Maybe they should try shouting it even louder, that might work... That's absolutely no different to Tories calling the left 'looney left', 'Marxist', 'Commie', 'Anti-Semite', and all the other shit left leaning people get. Why would people be more likely to take the side called the things you've mentioned over the things I listed? Because a significant amount of left wing people are now swinging right, and not the other way.Why is that? Let me guess, it's because they're a bunch of thickos who're too stupid to see through the media's lies, right?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 15, 2020 13:48:21 GMT
I don't think it proves your point. To me it equally "proves" that those who support Labour keep saying that people like the man in the video are thinking wrongly and need to change....some Labour supporters would call him racist...per se or not....He won't be voting for them in the real world. Are you saying that people shouldn't think that other views are wrong? Of course I think other views aren't the best view and my own views are best, otherwise they wouldn't be my views? I don't think that I've said that. I think that the Labour party instead of listening to ordinary people have a detached ideological debate, come up with all " the right answers" and then imply that everyone who disagrees or thinks differently is wrong. To be labelled or thought of as racist, homophobic, transphobic ( very minority) , Islamaphobic etc is not going to endear you to those making the accusations. They might be right but they won't win a lot of votes. I honestly think that the support that they have now is only there because people want an alternative to the Tories.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 13:50:35 GMT
That's absolutely no different to Tories calling the left 'looney left', 'Marxist', 'Commie', 'Anti-Semite', and all the other shit left leaning people get. Why would people be more likely to take the side called the things you've mentioned over the things I listed? Because a significant amount of left wing people are now swinging right, and not the other way.Why is that? Let me guess, it's because they're a bunch of thickos who're too stupid to see through the media's lies, right? I was genuinely asking the question. I don't think they're thick at all.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 15, 2020 13:57:53 GMT
You mean Starmer the 'moderate'? Starter for 10. Who's were these campaign policies? Keir's or Jeremy's? 1. Increase income tax for the top 5% of earners. 2. Reverse Tories Corporation tax cuts. 3. Clampdown on large company tax avoidance. 4. Abolish Universal Credit. 5. Stand up for the NHS. 6. Abolish tuition fees. 7. A New Green Energy deal. 8. Introduce a Prevention of Military Action Act. 9. Nationalise rail, water, mail and energy. 10. Full voting rights for EU Nationals. 11. Close detention centres. 12. Defend freedom of movement. 13. Repeal the Trade Union Act. 12. Regional investment banks. 13. Abolish the House of Lords. And how many of these campaign policies have Labour members so up in arms that many are threatening to quit the party or challenging the party to expel them? They were Keir's btw. Here are his 10 pledges. Interesting to see where he puts tackling antisemitism. See if you can find it....
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 15, 2020 14:11:43 GMT
That's absolutely no different to Tories calling the left 'looney left', 'Marxist', 'Commie', 'Anti-Semite', and all the other shit left leaning people get. Why would people be more likely to take the side called the things you've mentioned over the things I listed? Because a significant amount of left wing people are now swinging right, and not the other way.Why is that? Let me guess, it's because they're a bunch of thickos who're too stupid to see through the media's lies, right? ❄️
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 15, 2020 14:54:02 GMT
Anyone bothered about the Deputy Leadership race?
Raynor seems as nailed on as Starmer The Charmer.
What's that Ian Murray like?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 15, 2020 15:08:56 GMT
Anyone bothered about the Deputy Leadership race? Raynor seems as nailed on as Starmer The Charmer. What's that Ian Murray like? Who is the current deputy leader of the Conservative Party Roj? I know Theresa had David Liddington so who has Boris appointed? (I won't make any comments about Cummings*)
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Post by salopstick on Feb 15, 2020 15:08:56 GMT
Anyone bothered about the Deputy Leadership race? Raynor seems as nailed on as Starmer The Charmer. What's that Ian Murray like? The only Scottish Labour mp left. They are nearly extinct He should concentrate on that
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2020 15:09:48 GMT
I don't think it proves your point. To me it equally "proves" that those who support Labour keep saying that people like the man in the video are thinking wrongly and need to change....some Labour supporters would call him racist...per se or not....He won't be voting for them in the real world. Are you saying that people shouldn't think that other views are wrong? Of course I think other views aren't the best view and my own views are best, otherwise they wouldn't be my views? Has it crossed your mind that your views are the reason you are in a minority group ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 16:54:46 GMT
Are you saying that people shouldn't think that other views are wrong? Of course I think other views aren't the best view and my own views are best, otherwise they wouldn't be my views? Has it crossed your mind that your views are the reason you are in a minority group ? Yes. Famously, the majority's view is always right.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2020 16:58:45 GMT
Has it crossed your mind that your views are the reason you are in a minority group ? Yes. Famously, the majority's view is always right. Funnily enough you are right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 17:05:56 GMT
Yes. Famously, the majority's view is always right. Funnily enough you are right. Yep. Societal views never evolve or change.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 15, 2020 17:14:06 GMT
Funnily enough you are right. Yep. Societal views never evolve or change. A lot of historical labour voters did they rejected the views held by you and the minority of communist loons.
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Post by felonious on Feb 15, 2020 18:31:22 GMT
Anyone bothered about the Deputy Leadership race? Raynor seems as nailed on as Starmer The Charmer. What's that Ian Murray like? The only Scottish Labour mp left. They are nearly extinct He should concentrate on that Labour can't win a UK election without Scottish MPs or Scottish Labour MPs as they are now called
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 15, 2020 19:06:56 GMT
An old fashioned uncomplicated Labour man.
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Post by Davef on Feb 15, 2020 22:40:03 GMT
An old fashioned uncomplicated Labour man. The first tweet is okay. The second is nonsense.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 7:55:06 GMT
An old fashioned uncomplicated Labour man. The first tweet is okay. The second is nonsense. Is it not time to back Britain just yet then Dave?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 7:57:08 GMT
The first tweet is okay. The second is nonsense. Is it not time to back Britain just yet then Dave? Yes, lets all back a meaningless platitude. That’s the spirit.....
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 8:02:32 GMT
Is it not time to back Britain just yet then Dave? Yes, lets all back a meaningless platitude. That’s the spirit..... Perhaps it's time for meaningless platitudes because let's face it preaching misery hasn't worked Prestwich
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 8:15:36 GMT
Yes, lets all back a meaningless platitude. That’s the spirit..... Perhaps it's time for meaningless platitudes because let's face it preaching misery hasn't worked Prestwich Sorry you’ve lost me?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 12:47:37 GMT
Yep. Societal views never evolve or change. A lot of historical labour voters did they rejected the views held by you and the minority of communist loons. I'm neither communist nor a loon. And I suspect, similar to our 'Marxist' debate, you have no idea what communism is either. But you're right, people are rejecting that type of government. That's what I've been saying the entire thread, people are more socially right wing than previously thought.
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Post by vokeswagen on Feb 16, 2020 12:57:22 GMT
A lot of historical labour voters did they rejected the views held by you and the minority of communist loons. I'm neither communist nor a loon. And I suspect, similar to our 'Marxist' debate, you have no idea what communism is either. But you're right, people are rejecting that type of government. That's what I've been saying the entire thread, people are more socially right wing than previously thought. carps just regurgitates political words he's heard on Stormtrooper TV or wherever it is he gets his "news"
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 16, 2020 13:00:42 GMT
Anyone bothered about the Deputy Leadership race? Raynor seems as nailed on as Starmer The Charmer. What's that Ian Murray like? Who is the current deputy leader of the Conservative Party Roj? I know Theresa had David Liddington so who has Boris appointed? (I won't make any comments about Cummings*) We don't have one.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 16, 2020 13:02:26 GMT
So I just watched Raynor on Marr. She's dreadful.
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Post by felonious on Feb 16, 2020 13:36:40 GMT
Perhaps it's time for meaningless platitudes because let's face it preaching misery hasn't worked Prestwich Sorry you’ve lost me? That's ok I don't think we're on the same page
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