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Post by PotterLog on Dec 8, 2019 0:44:07 GMT
If we go down again this season, how many relegations is it under Coates? 3? 3 from this division and one from the Prem
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 8, 2019 1:27:50 GMT
Managers before have spoken about the rot and scenes going on with players. Really do get the opinion that players are pure poison in this club
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Dec 8, 2019 1:30:41 GMT
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Dec 8, 2019 1:30:41 GMT
Managers before have spoken about the rot and scenes going on with players. Really do get the opinion that players are pure poison in this club Yeah I agree that’s why when we were relegated we should of sold more or less everyone for a reasonable price but we didn’t and now we are here staring at posing league 1
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Post by pushon on Dec 8, 2019 1:31:48 GMT
Yep. I find it absolutely astonishing that if you voice your opinion about how wank our owners are at the game, you run the risk of being assaulted at worst, or at the very best verbally abused. It is quite astonishing. Coates seems to be completely blameless despite his recruiting of shit. Again. And again. And again. Where's it all gone wrong? He was shit hot in the 90s. There is an old saying/proverb.."He who pays the piper calls the tune"
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Post by pushon on Dec 8, 2019 1:35:33 GMT
Lovely people, but I think they have to go. On the face of it - it is has been an incredible effort to preside over getting a club the size of Stoke relegated to tier 3 footy - not just once but now on 2 separate occasions. They are clueless when it comes to all things footy have no forward-thinking abilities - the old fashioned xenophobic must have a British manager thing is now killing us. They have another business to run also - didn't JC go on a 3-week business trip just as we wanted to get rid of NJ and therefore it was suspended until he returned - I mean it is just laughable how naive and hopeless they are at running a football club. Time to go Do you have someone in mind, with deep pockets, who would like to purchase the club?
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Dec 8, 2019 1:59:40 GMT
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 8, 2019 1:59:40 GMT
Managers before have spoken about the rot and scenes going on with players. Really do get the opinion that players are pure poison in this club Yeah I agree that’s why when we were relegated we should of sold more or less everyone for a reasonable price but we didn’t and now we are here staring at posing league 1 Exactly, didn't do swansea any harm did it
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Dec 8, 2019 3:20:43 GMT
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Post by FrankButcher on Dec 8, 2019 3:20:43 GMT
Lovely people, but I think they have to go. On the face of it - it is has been an incredible effort to preside over getting a club the size of Stoke relegated to tier 3 footy - not just once but now on 2 separate occasions. They are clueless when it comes to all things footy have no forward-thinking abilities - the old fashioned xenophobic must have a British manager thing is now killing us. They have another business to run also - didn't JC go on a 3-week business trip just as we wanted to get rid of NJ and therefore it was suspended until he returned - I mean it is just laughable how naive and hopeless they are at running a football club. Time to go Do you have someone in mind, with deep pockets, who would like to purchase the club? They'll be someone out there who would be interested there was Chinese interest at one point but Coates said we weren't on the market and they wanted to take the club forward and that was in 2016 if we go down they'll be no credit left in the bank for the Coates Family as far as I am concerned.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Dec 8, 2019 3:24:42 GMT
"Fiddling as Rome burns" is a phrase that comes to my mind
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Post by dingdongbell on Dec 8, 2019 7:01:17 GMT
Lovely people, but I think they have to go. On the face of it - it is has been an incredible effort to preside over getting a club the size of Stoke relegated to tier 3 footy - not just once but now on 2 separate occasions. They are clueless when it comes to all things footy have no forward-thinking abilities - the old fashioned xenophobic must have a British manager thing is now killing us. They have another business to run also - didn't JC go on a 3-week business trip just as we wanted to get rid of NJ and therefore it was suspended until he returned - I mean it is just laughable how naive and hopeless they are at running a football club. Time to go You make some very good points , especially about two drops into the third tier , I just don’t think SCFC. Is a very attractive brand at the moment and buyers would be nigh on impossible to find .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 7:18:42 GMT
I agree with everything that's been posted on this thread. We're in deep doo-doo and it's only getting worse.
I can see us being relegated this year (I think it's nailed on now), and then we'll get hit by FFP and a massive points deduction which will send us down to League 2.
How or when it will hit rock bottom and start the upturn I just can't see at the moment.
We laughed at Sunderland's fall from grace, but in 12 months time we co u ld well be wishing we were Sunderland as our future looks decidedly bleak.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 8, 2019 8:44:08 GMT
Good to see eyes starting to turn towards the family.
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Dec 8, 2019 8:54:17 GMT
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Post by mrred on Dec 8, 2019 8:54:17 GMT
Unfortunately the club rode off the back of Pulis' squad and success for too long and got too comfortable that they would just put in the miles to stay in the Premier League. There aren't the right people at the club to drive this club forward again.
Although I applaud Jon Coates' ability to bring in O'Neil given the absolute fucking state we're in, it's clear that this is the way it's going under his reign. No one doubts his heart is in the right place, but the money in the world they've earned can't rectify this. Lroper football management would, which is something he doesn't possess.
Look at Leicester as an example of how investors can get it right.
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Dec 8, 2019 9:01:02 GMT
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Post by albundy on Dec 8, 2019 9:01:02 GMT
Coates managerial appointments have always been dodgy.
He got lucky with Lou & TP who were not first choice but these 2 apart they are both clueless on who to appoint
I do not think it's a lack of desire, we are lucky to have local owners who are fans and we have been spoilt recently in the prem
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Dec 8, 2019 10:57:47 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 8, 2019 10:57:47 GMT
I agree with everything that's been posted on this thread. We're in deep doo-doo and it's only getting worse. I can see us being relegated this year (I think it's nailed on now), and then we'll get hit by FFP and a massive points deduction which will send us down to League 2. How or when it will hit rock bottom and start the upturn I just can't see at the moment. We laughed at Sunderland's fall from grace, but in 12 months time we co u ld well be wishing we were Sunderland as our future looks decidedly bleak. I can bet my bottom dollar that the EFL will make an absolute example of Stoke over FFP if we go down. The fact that we now have to face the prospects of even discussing this is a damming indictment of the bad job Coates and co have done for the past 4 years. We had the players and the talent to push for Europa League football at one point. Now we have the players and talent to possibly see us all the way down to League 2 if we’re not careful.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 8, 2019 11:19:07 GMT
Coates managerial appointments have always been dodgy. He got lucky with Lou & TP who were not first choice but these 2 apart they are both clueless on who to appoint I do not think it's a lack of desire, we are lucky to have local owners who are fans and we have been spoilt recently in the prem The way the coterie of Coates' are running things over the past few years makes me wonder whether that luck is ultimately going to turn out to be bad luck? I don't buy this argument that years in the Prem made us fans spoiled, either, the way we have been in freefall recently would darken the heart of any fan. People will probably soon start posting about 'looking forward to relegation to League1' in order to get in rebuild mode, refocus or simply play 'real' football again. In fact some posters have already started writing this. We're in danger of just taking the same problems down another league. Big changes are needed behind the scenes but it's very doubtful the current owners are going to solve them or even recognise their existence it seems to me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 8, 2019 11:50:51 GMT
It's the owners who are poison and who will ultimately be responsible for the demise of Stoke City FC as we know it. They need removing and replacing with people who actually have a fucking clue how to run a football club. I thinks it's unfair to call the owners 'poison'. You'd be hard pushed to find more committed, passionate and genuinely sincere owners in British football and of course they're local. They're very good OWNERS of the club but that in turn doesn't make them very good at actually RUNNING the club. As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Coates' track record in hiring manager's has been pretty ropey at best and the level of debt we now find ourselves in, whilst languishing at the bottom of the Championship is unforgivable. However we can't call for them to go, they are the lifeblood of the club and (as I said earlier) they ARE good owners. It would seem the most logical thing to do going forwards, is for them to continue to own the club but at the same time, to relinquish all control of it by bringing in a chairman, director of football and indeed a whole team of football people to run the club on their behalf. Whether their egos will allow for this to happen is another thing entirely, not to mention if they've got the actual ability to hire the correct people to do the job in the first place.
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Dec 8, 2019 11:58:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 11:58:26 GMT
It's the owners who are poison and who will ultimately be responsible for the demise of Stoke City FC as we know it. They need removing and replacing with people who actually have a fucking clue how to run a football club. I thinks it's unfair to call the owners 'poison'. You'd be hard pushed to find more committed, passionate and genuinely sincere owners in British football and of course they're local. They're very good OWNERS of the club but that in turn doesn't make them very good at actually RUNNING the club. As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Coates' track record in hiring manager's has been pretty ropey at best and the level of debt we now find ourselves in, whilst languishing at the bottom of the Championship is unforgivable. However we can't call for them to go, they are the lifeblood of the club and (as I said earlier) they ARE good owners. It would seem the most logical thing to do going forwards, is for them to continue to own the club but at the same time, to relinquish all control of it by bringing in a chairman, director of football and indeed a whole team of football people to run the club on their behalf. Whether their egos will allow for this to happen is another thing entirely, not to mention if they've got the actual ability to hire the correct people to do the job in the first place. I agree with that pretty much word for word, however, as you rightly point out their record with appointing managers is very dodgy. They were the people that appointed Scholes and further back Jez Moxey also. Who's to say they'd get it so right in appointing someone to run the club on their behalf? There's no argument or evidence to suggest they would get it right.
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Dec 8, 2019 12:26:59 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2019 12:26:59 GMT
Coates managerial appointments have always been dodgy. He got lucky with Lou & TP who were not first choice but these 2 apart they are both clueless on who to appoint I do not think it's a lack of desire, we are lucky to have local owners who are fans and we have been spoilt recently in the prem Tony Pulis was absolutely the first choice of Peter Coates when he regained control of the club from the Icelanders.
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Post by fulagoals on Dec 8, 2019 12:55:15 GMT
The family have gotten away with it for far too long now. They delayed on sacking Hughes in October when Moyes was all but ready to join. He didn't. We kept Hughes till January, hired Lambert and went down. We have Gary Rowett, a man with no promotion record and gave him £50 Million. We were 13th by the time he was sacked. We went left field and hired Jones, a promising up and coming manager. We gave him no budget, and allowed him to sign absolutely loads of shit players. He leaves us in the relegation zone. We move to O'Neill, who as much as it was an interesting appointment, did not fit the personal profile of what was needed for this situation we're in (do not mention Pulis). We have allowed the situation to fester over time since May 2016. We could have arrested the decline. We didn't. We're about to face our fourth spell in the third tier of English football. Stoke City has been slowly and systematically dismantled over 4 years, and why? Because the owners have allowed this to happen. They could have rooted the club, got rid of Scholes, brought in a DoF, replace coaching staff, and they've done none of it. They flung the blame on every manager who has stepped foot on the training pitch since Hughes. We are accelerating downwards at a rapid rate, to the point where we have so many players we might not be able shift unless for bargain bin prices (which to be fair is all they're worth right now), and could be/will be in astronomical debt which could potentially lead to a points deduction and make very real the possibility of playing League 2 in the next 2 years, and this isn't being dramatic either. We either stay up, or watch Stoke City completely unfold right before our very eyes. And we've taken it up the arse from them for too long now. All the apologies, all the calls of change were for fucking nothing. It was empty hollow words. And this will be Coates legacy. A disillusioned fan base that will not play Championship football never mind Premier League football for years and years to come. Welcome to the new Stoke City, everyone, get used to it because it's not changing for the better until Coates sorts it fucking out. Very well put. Wish I could be so eloquent with an argument. This is the truth however as sad as it is. “Taking it up the arse” and eloquent together, lol
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 8, 2019 13:21:29 GMT
It's the owners who are poison and who will ultimately be responsible for the demise of Stoke City FC as we know it. They need removing and replacing with people who actually have a fucking clue how to run a football club. I thinks it's unfair to call the owners 'poison'. You'd be hard pushed to find more committed, passionate and genuinely sincere owners in British football and of course they're local. They're very good OWNERS of the club but that in turn doesn't make them very good at actually RUNNING the club. As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, Coates' track record in hiring manager's has been pretty ropey at best and the level of debt we now find ourselves in, whilst languishing at the bottom of the Championship is unforgivable. However we can't call for them to go, they are the lifeblood of the club and (as I said earlier) they ARE good owners. It would seem the most logical thing to do going forwards, is for them to continue to own the club but at the same time, to relinquish all control of it by bringing in a chairman, director of football and indeed a whole team of football people to run the club on their behalf. Whether their egos will allow for this to happen is another thing entirely, not to mention if they've got the actual ability to hire the correct people to do the job in the first place. This, in a nutshell
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 19:49:48 GMT
Very well put. Wish I could be so eloquent with an argument. This is the truth however as sad as it is. “Taking it up the arse” and eloquent together, lol Alright Shakespeare alright
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Post by nott1 on Dec 9, 2019 10:03:00 GMT
Do we have to drop before Coates gets questioned? Rowett wank. Jones wank. O'Neill maybe wank. Players definitely wank. Seems folk are scared to question cos he's minted. At Hull today, blame anyone but Coates. Not Coates out, but Coates employ someone who knows what they're doing. You are doing too much wanking shipshape!
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Post by dadofsam on Dec 9, 2019 10:13:38 GMT
Never easy to sack your son.
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