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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 17:13:45 GMT
Some are worse than others though. Why is he not picking a proper holding midfielder when we can't keep a clean sheet? Where is Etebo when a driving presence would surely give us a better chance than what we've got? I would guess that he is either not available, or that there are contractual reasons that others get played who the fuck knows??? but Im confident that once they equalised changing one or two players would have made the same impact as an ice cube in a volcano. Our goal keeper is SHIT, our defence is SHIT our mid field is SHIT our attackers are FUCKING FAT AND SHIT. Our large squad is a fucking mess. a total joke and we are the laughing stock of the entire football league. He's insisting he is available though. And Badou is available and he's choosing not to play him. It really isn't good enough to say 'it wouldn't make any difference anyway', we need to be playing our best players to even come close to having a ghost of a chance and he isn't doing that. We have a shitload of problems on the pitch and off it but don't tell me the manager is totally absolved from blame when he's playing Ryan fucking Woods on his own as a holding midfielder.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 7, 2019 17:14:15 GMT
THIS IS NOT A MANAGER ISSUE this is totally on the players. I have got to the stage where I couldn’t give a flying fuck whether it’s a player or manager issue. The whole club is fucking shambles and an embarrassment from top to bottom and hopefully relegation should clear the decks of the players,the management team and scholes. We all thought relegation would be a wakeup call to the board a couple of years back. Do you really have faith they'll clear the decks this time?
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 7, 2019 17:14:57 GMT
I would guess that he is either not available, or that there are contractual reasons that others get played who the fuck knows??? but Im confident that once they equalised changing one or two players would have lmade the same impact as an ice cube in a volcano. Our goal keeper is SHIT, our defence is SHIT our mid field is SHIT our attackers are FUCKING FAT AND SHIT. Our large squad is a fucking mess. a total joke and we are the laughing stock of the entire football league. Our midfield is the best in the league if its played together. Etebo and badou. Everything else is correct though What are you disputing? that their are incomprehesible reasons that our best midfield are not playing togehter, that even if they were it would make much of a difference or that collectively they are SHIT?
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 7, 2019 17:18:31 GMT
Our midfield is the best in the league if its played together. Etebo and badou. Everything else is correct though What are you disputing? that their are incomprehesible reasons that our best midfield are not playing togehter, that even if they were it would make much of a difference or that collectively they are SHIT? The manager is at fault for not picking them totally, they both should be starting every game for us. Couldnt give a flying fuck if they are going in January play them, we need them, raise the value if needs be. Woods offers us nothing neither does allen and we don't need 3 in midfield if we play these two, do we? What the hell is rory doing? Surely he should have told MON that these two should be playing..
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Post by shaun888 on Dec 7, 2019 17:18:45 GMT
We dont have enough decent players to pick even half a good team. This has gone beyond root and branch; the whole fucking set up needs chainsawing Why not at least pick the few good ones we've got? You get the feeling that even Ronaldo would drop his standard down to the lowest common denominator. The desire is as dead as a Morrison fish counter trout.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 17:20:07 GMT
Why not at least pick the few good ones we've got? You get the feeling that even Ronaldo would drop his standard down to the lowest common denominator. The desire is as dead as a Morrison fish counter trout. That hasn't answered my question though Shawn? We have two midfielders better than the ones he's starting with who aren't playing.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 7, 2019 17:22:24 GMT
THIS IS NOT A MANAGER ISSUE this is totally on the players. Hhhhhmmmmm Picking that midfield is certainly a manager issue. There is no rhyme nor reason to it. This. Literally couldn’t offer less as a midfield.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 7, 2019 17:26:03 GMT
If the manager has nothing to do with this why are we bothering to pay one? Simple truth is that we have appointed a succession of managers who have not been up to the task - and judging by his post match interview it sounds like MON is starting to run out of ideas all ready. On the subject of the OP it is to be hoped that MON’s professional pride would tell him that leaving the club for a week or two in March is completely unacceptable.
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Post by shaun888 on Dec 7, 2019 17:28:16 GMT
You get the feeling that even Ronaldo would drop his standard down to the lowest common denominator. The desire is as dead as a Morrison fish counter trout. That hasn't answered my question though Shawn? We have two midfielders better than the ones he's starting with who aren't playing. There is an obvious agenda to offload Etebo and Badou. But in all fairness two players of quality and nine handicapped individuals points to my original root and branch reference. It's hard to single out who is the worst offending turd in this whole shitpile.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 7, 2019 17:31:36 GMT
Hhhhhmmmmm Picking that midfield is certainly a manager issue. There is no rhyme nor reason to it. any comnbination of mid field players from our over sized squad is abot as piss poor. recruitment is the issue. What is it now 4 managers that cant select a midfield that works? No, that midfield three is probably the weakest combination he could choose. We've got to get powell and badou in the side. That midfield three were passive and weak all game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 17:37:35 GMT
That hasn't answered my question though Shawn? We have two midfielders better than the ones he's starting with who aren't playing. There is an obvious agenda to offload Etebo and Badou. But in all fairness two players of quality and nine handicapped individuals points to my original root and branch reference. It's hard to single out who is the worst offending turd in this whole shitpile. And we think we’ll get a better fee by...not...playing them? And we’ll weaken the team and increase the risk of relegation (and the cataclysmic financial impact that comes with it) for a quick, lesser cash injection now? That doesn’t make sense. Also, if there’s an edict not to play Ndiaye then why did he start at Cardiff? In a relegation battle you play your best players while they’re here, it’s that simple.
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Post by zerps on Dec 7, 2019 17:41:19 GMT
THIS IS NOT A MANAGER ISSUE this is totally on the players. Who has overseen the purchasing of this overpaid crap that pulls on the red and white stripes, some dumb fuck has thrown money at the problem and we have the likes of Tom fucking Ince! The board.
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Post by shaun888 on Dec 7, 2019 17:48:10 GMT
There is an obvious agenda to offload Etebo and Badou. But in all fairness two players of quality and nine handicapped individuals points to my original root and branch reference. It's hard to single out who is the worst offending turd in this whole shitpile. And we think we’ll get a better fee by...not...playing them? And we’ll weaken the team and increase the risk of relegation (and the cataclysmic financial impact that comes with it) for a quick, lesser cash injection now? That doesn’t make sense. Also, if there’s an edict not to play Ndiaye then why did he start at Cardiff? In a relegation battle you play your best players while they’re here, it’s that simple. I fully agree with you and that points to bigger problems in the shitpile. Capitulation by 30-40k pw players on regular basis while the upper eschelon stick their heads up their own arses and say 'what crisis?' is shameful. I have no other answer, and I laughed at Sunderland but WE are going next level.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 17:51:34 GMT
And we think we’ll get a better fee by...not...playing them? And we’ll weaken the team and increase the risk of relegation (and the cataclysmic financial impact that comes with it) for a quick, lesser cash injection now? That doesn’t make sense. Also, if there’s an edict not to play Ndiaye then why did he start at Cardiff? In a relegation battle you play your best players while they’re here, it’s that simple. I fully agree with you and that points to bigger problems in the shitpile. Capitulation by 30-40k pw players on regular basis while the upper eschelon stick their heads up their own arses and say 'what crisis?' is shameful. I have no other answer, and I laughed at Sunderland but WE are going next level. Agree on all counts but the manager(s) can’t be absolved from their roles in this mess. I don’t believe for a second O’Neill has been told he can’t play Etebo or Badou.
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Post by shaun888 on Dec 7, 2019 17:53:15 GMT
I fully agree with you and that points to bigger problems in the shitpile. Capitulation by 30-40k pw players on regular basis while the upper eschelon stick their heads up their own arses and say 'what crisis?' is shameful. I have no other answer, and I laughed at Sunderland but WE are going next level. Agree on all counts but the manager(s) can’t be absolved from their roles in this mess. I don’t believe for a second O’Neill has been told he can’t play Etebo or Badou. THAT points to the boss making his own petty choices, agreed
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Post by royalewithcheese on Dec 7, 2019 17:54:21 GMT
THIS IS NOT A MANAGER ISSUE this is totally on the players. His decision not to pick our best fucking players!!!!!!!!!
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Post by rawli on Dec 7, 2019 18:30:01 GMT
Some are worse than others though. Why is he not picking a proper holding midfielder when we can't keep a clean sheet? Where is Etebo when a driving presence would surely give us a better chance than what we've got? I would guess that he is either not available, or that there are contractual reasons that others get played who the fuck knows??? but Im confident that once they equalised changing one or two players would have made the same impact as an ice cube in a volcano. Our goal keeper is SHIT, our defence is SHIT our mid field is SHIT our attackers are FUCKING FAT AND SHIT. Our large squad is a fucking mess. a total joke and we are the laughing stock of the entire football league. Let them sue the club by breaking the contract if that's the case. And sack the cunt who negotiated the contract to pay for it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 8, 2019 17:10:55 GMT
Hhhhhmmmmm Picking that midfield is certainly a manager issue. There is no rhyme nor reason to it. any comnbination of mid field players from our over sized squad is abot as piss poor. recruitment is the issue. What is it now 4 managers that cant select a midfield that works? I disagree Badou, Etebo or Woods and Clucas or Powell is a pretty marvellous midfield.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 9, 2019 12:26:35 GMT
As useless as he has been, to simply fuck off in March to manage another team then it will be evidence that we have given up participating in this sport as a serious football club. We are an utter fucking shambles from our toes to our tits. There's a scenario in which he does f*** off in March........ and doesn't come back. Maybe he'll decide to go back to the job he's proved to be quite good at rather than making himself virtually unemployable like Chris Coleman or Nathan Jones.
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Post by lordb on Dec 9, 2019 12:31:16 GMT
any comnbination of mid field players from our over sized squad is abot as piss poor. recruitment is the issue. What is it now 4 managers that cant select a midfield that works? I disagree Badou, Etebo or Woods and Clucas or Powell is a pretty marvellous midfield. would that be in a diamond?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 9, 2019 12:43:49 GMT
We could try playing Powell as a second striker but in a deep-lying position, backed up by Clucas, Etebo and Badou with one of Ince or McClean. Gregory probably the better option alongside Powell. Surely that gets our best players on the pitch? However, it does mean Joe Alle is dropped, and I can't see that happening anytime soon!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 9, 2019 15:57:07 GMT
THIS IS NOT A MANAGER ISSUE this is totally on the players. What about our totally fucking useless board of fuckwits. They getting away with it again?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 9, 2019 17:11:41 GMT
We are getting worse under him, we were having more of the ball and getting beaten , now we can't even string two passes together. Correct - and that was pretty much nailed on when we changed manager yet again. Having got through 5 managers in 2 years and things getting progressively worse the fact that anyone thought things would have got better after 5 games is just unreal. At least O'Neil appears to be playing a long game in playing a pretty consistent starting 11 and recognising that building a functioning team takes time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 9, 2019 22:16:28 GMT
I disagree Badou, Etebo or Woods and Clucas or Powell is a pretty marvellous midfield. would that be in a diamond? No. 433 Or 4231
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 9, 2019 22:55:03 GMT
would that be in a diamond? No. 433 Or 4231 No midfield featuring woods is marvellous.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 9, 2019 23:14:54 GMT
No midfield featuring woods is marvellous. He’d be in neither. 🤷♂️
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Post by lordb on Dec 10, 2019 9:23:41 GMT
would that be in a diamond? No. 433 Or 4231 That means Ince playing and one up front
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Post by sutekh on Dec 10, 2019 11:28:56 GMT
I have got to the stage where I couldn’t give a flying fuck whether it’s a player or manager issue. The whole club is fucking shambles and an embarrassment from top to bottom and hopefully relegation should clear the decks of the players,the management team and scholes. We all thought relegation would be a wakeup call to the board a couple of years back. Do you really have faith they'll clear the decks this time? Now that you mention it no I don’t 😩
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 11:40:50 GMT
That means Ince playing and one up front I don't get the hysteria about one up front.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 10, 2019 11:54:04 GMT
That means Ince playing and one up front I don't get the hysteria about one up front. Neither do I to be honest but its a problem when every striker we've got is sub standard anyway. Which would in the normal world be acceptable maybe but when we've spent nigh on 100m it really does make you scratch your head a bit. And brings me to the point how have the club overseen a transfer strategy that has left them without a striker that is both half decent and actually has some pace to cause opposition defences some problems? Our owners don't know what they are doing.
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