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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2019 15:26:46 GMT
The suggestion that our problem is “doing things on the cheap” is the wrongest thing since Mr Wrong set up his wrong shop in Wrongland Indeed, we've been cheap intellectually....but overly flash with the cash.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 3, 2019 15:37:44 GMT
We pulled the plug on a manager who stabilised us as a mid table Championship side because he didn't live up to wildly unrealistic expectations of instant promotion and took a massive gamble on an up and coming manager inexperienced at this level that didn't come off. West Brom stabilised and brought in a manager with experience as a player and manager at the highest level and kicked on. Nobody will admit it but sacking Rowett when we did was a massive mistake. Appointing nutty Nath was a bigger mistake.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 3, 2019 15:41:12 GMT
We pulled the plug on a manager who stabilised us as a mid table Championship side because he didn't live up to wildly unrealistic expectations of instant promotion and took a massive gamble on an up and coming manager inexperienced at this level that didn't come off. West Brom stabilised and brought in a manager with experience as a player and manager at the highest level and kicked on. Nobody will admit it but sacking Rowett when we did was a massive mistake. Appointing nutty Nath was a bigger mistake. They must be shitting it now that MON wont make the grade.
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 3, 2019 15:50:12 GMT
The suggestion that our problem is “doing things on the cheap” is the wrongest thing since Mr Wrong set up his wrong shop in Wrongland Indeed, we've been cheap intellectually....but overly flash with the cash. Our problem is pretty much the exact opposite of doing things on the cheap
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 3, 2019 16:09:39 GMT
they went for a guy who was a top half prem manager 2 years ago whereas we went for two blokes who had ok seasons in lower divisions We’ve sorted it now we’ve got the bloke who ran Brechin City , Shamrock rovers and Northern Ireland well we share him with them
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Post by westgatelakes on Dec 3, 2019 16:18:08 GMT
An easy question to answer. It`s all down to sound management and good (or in our case poor) recruitment - it really is that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 16:22:08 GMT
It’s down to the HR department at every level
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Dec 3, 2019 17:32:13 GMT
New owner arrives in 2017: Club is in a shitshow and gets relegated in his first season so he: -Sacks the Chairman and CEO -Brings in the superb Luke Dowling as Sporting Director to overhaul the recruitment process and implement strategy-Much better recruitment, including exploiting the PL youth market to bring in Barnes on loan, they'd have gone up for me if he'd stayed. Judicious use of money to shore up a couple of questionable positions. All the while selling some ageing assets and freeing up squad space. Give academy lads decent playing time. -Brave enough to sack Darren Moore when they lose key games to their promotion rivals and their performances suffer despite their position. Caretaker equals Moore's overall PPG and sees them to the playoffs where they lose to a surging Villa side. They copped some real shit for that but it's been proven to be the right decision. -Sacking Moore allows them to bring in a good and proven manager in Slaven Bilic, well known for doing well with clubs in his first couple of years. -More excellent recruitment, securing Romaine Sawyers as the fulcrum of the side. Older players are sold or run out of contract as they've not committed to aged players that much, squad continue to get younger. Good use of PL loans again to bring in younger players like Diangana and Periera. -Set way of playing with key players in position, best possible launch pad to start a promotion push. Pretty much it, in a nutshell. A complete culture change after relegation, implementation of a strategy with the appointment of Dowling as a sporting director and commitment to a transfer strategy (continually getting squad age down). Everything we were promised in 2018...and precisely nothing that was delivered. We need a sporting director, it's clear as fucking day to everyone. Piece together the "strategy" we've implemented since we've gone down, there isn't one. No continuity in managerial appointments in terms of style of desired playing staff meaning we just accumulate players and have a massive, bloated and overaged squad. It's a fucking disgrace and they still get away with it with people making out it's just the fault of the managers. You are right, even though it is strange to see Dowling described is such glowing terms by 'the opposition'. Obviously there are many factors within any organisation that combine to produce success.
Winning matches is the major issue, which Bilic seems to have sorted!
Currently, the WBA feelgood factor has been enhanced by keeping several old players on the books, to set the right example to the youth players within the academy. Brunt and Barry still have playing contracts - and what better examples could the kids have to emulate?. Morrison and Fletcher are also back and involved in coaching, so for the first time in ages it seems that there is a real bond that runs through the squads. Long may it continue.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2019 17:46:39 GMT
New owner arrives in 2017: Club is in a shitshow and gets relegated in his first season so he: -Sacks the Chairman and CEO -Brings in the superb Luke Dowling as Sporting Director to overhaul the recruitment process and implement strategy-Much better recruitment, including exploiting the PL youth market to bring in Barnes on loan, they'd have gone up for me if he'd stayed. Judicious use of money to shore up a couple of questionable positions. All the while selling some ageing assets and freeing up squad space. Give academy lads decent playing time. -Brave enough to sack Darren Moore when they lose key games to their promotion rivals and their performances suffer despite their position. Caretaker equals Moore's overall PPG and sees them to the playoffs where they lose to a surging Villa side. They copped some real shit for that but it's been proven to be the right decision. -Sacking Moore allows them to bring in a good and proven manager in Slaven Bilic, well known for doing well with clubs in his first couple of years. -More excellent recruitment, securing Romaine Sawyers as the fulcrum of the side. Older players are sold or run out of contract as they've not committed to aged players that much, squad continue to get younger. Good use of PL loans again to bring in younger players like Diangana and Periera. -Set way of playing with key players in position, best possible launch pad to start a promotion push. Pretty much it, in a nutshell. A complete culture change after relegation, implementation of a strategy with the appointment of Dowling as a sporting director and commitment to a transfer strategy (continually getting squad age down). Everything we were promised in 2018...and precisely nothing that was delivered. We need a sporting director, it's clear as fucking day to everyone. Piece together the "strategy" we've implemented since we've gone down, there isn't one. No continuity in managerial appointments in terms of style of desired playing staff meaning we just accumulate players and have a massive, bloated and overaged squad. It's a fucking disgrace and they still get away with it with people making out it's just the fault of the managers. You are right, even though it is strange to see Dowling described is such glowing terms by 'the opposition'. Obviously there are many factors within any organisation that combine to produce success.
Winning matches is the major issue, which Bilic seems to have sorted! Currently, the WBA feelgood factor has been enhanced by keeping several old players on the books, to set the right example to the youth players within the academy. Brunt and Barry still have playing contracts - and what better examples could the kids have to emulate?. Morrison and Fletcher are also back and involved in coaching, so for the first time in ages it seems that there is a real bond that runs through the squads. Long may it continue.
Almost like the club has a long term vision in place? and I have a hardon for sporting directors, don't even get me started on Brentford's model.
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Post by Boothen on Dec 3, 2019 18:08:45 GMT
Because, despite all their troubles, West Brom don't have a board of directors that are intent on running the club into the ground by doing everything on the cheap. Even when the do have a go at splashing a bit of cash, they end up paying premium prices for bargain basement players. You are saying Stoke are doing it on the cheap ? Have you not added up how much we have wasted on crap ,these last three years , must be North of £100 million . Or have you just started going this season ?. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that comprehension isn't one of your strong points.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Dec 3, 2019 18:23:17 GMT
West brom made good decisions at the right time along with good signings & appointing the right back room staff & manager. Stoke have made very poor decisions at every turn & could still have made the wrong appointment now with o,neil time will tell. The major overhaul we were promised along with the statement that lessons have been learned will never happen while the Coates family & Scholes remain in control. For all the good the Coates family have done for the club & the city as a whole things & times change they have stood still & we have gone backwards to an alarming degree.
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Post by dingdongbell on Dec 3, 2019 18:25:33 GMT
You are saying Stoke are doing it on the cheap ? Have you not added up how much we have wasted on crap ,these last three years , must be North of £100 million . Or have you just started going this season ?. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that comprehension isn't one of your strong points. Ok fair point , I guess I read it wrong .
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 5, 2019 23:13:36 GMT
Since relegation they’ve signed Gayle, Bartley, Johnstone, Barnes, Holgate, Ajayi, Sawyers, Pereira, Diangana and Austin to name a few. Every one of those players walks into our side and improves us. I doubt a single player we’ve signed in the same period would get anywhere near their side. All true. Also look at their manager too. You would think having tried an inexperienced one at this level we would have broken the bank to get a worldy in - and someone with experience. Yet we get somebody in with no experience of English football whatsoever - talk about not learning. We have a xenophobic small-minded board - the always having to have British manager thing is literally about to cost us our place in tier 2 this time around. Our rhetoric at the start of the season from Mr Scholes was that we were going to buy lower league players that were hungrier - and hope that it works, all this with a manger that was clearly out of his depth and averaging less than a point a game in his half a season here - all hardly reeks of a club that knows what it is doing or has any ambition. Keeping NJ was just a risk that we did not need to take, then having watched the first 6 games you have to act quickly and pull the trigger - what does John do: lets it linger and linger and then goes on a 3 week sabbatical and employs another cheap hit and hope guy on his return who is managing an international team also- it beggars belief The structure of the club needs to change at the top - we are destined to always fail at some point - and fail big - when those at the top are so far off the mark and utterly incapable of making a solitary sane decision amongst them
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Post by chinesedave on Dec 6, 2019 1:00:41 GMT
Pure luck.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 6, 2019 12:02:08 GMT
We are wank and they are better 😎
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 6, 2019 15:16:30 GMT
Since relegation they’ve signed Gayle, Bartley, Johnstone, Barnes, Holgate, Ajayi, Sawyers, Pereira, Diangana and Austin to name a few. Every one of those players walks into our side and improves us. I doubt a single player we’ve signed in the same period would get anywhere near their side. But here is the problem. Any of those undoubtedly decent players you mention walk into our squad and they instantly become a shadow of their former selves. There is something very very wrong in our club. Its like a hidden disease. We need a full management structure review by independent consultants. The problem needs identifying and dealing with NOW.
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