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Post by rabbigan on Dec 2, 2019 22:53:25 GMT
Can anyone explain this amazing dilemma. The team we always used to beat, who were relegated below us, and got rid of an apparently excellent manager, but now top this division while we are looking down the barrel at Div 1. Are they just run better than us.As far as I am aware they have not spent anywhere near the sums that we have. What are they doing better than us. Please help as I am grinding my teeth to below gum level at the situation.
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Post by hyaduck on Dec 2, 2019 22:57:11 GMT
They're a good side, we are shit
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 2, 2019 23:00:02 GMT
They seem to have a plan and a structure. We don't. They recruited brilliantly. We recruited appallingly.
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 2, 2019 23:04:01 GMT
Since relegation they’ve signed Gayle, Bartley, Johnstone, Barnes, Holgate, Ajayi, Sawyers, Pereira, Diangana and Austin to name a few.
Every one of those players walks into our side and improves us.
I doubt a single player we’ve signed in the same period would get anywhere near their side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 23:10:38 GMT
We have John Coates.
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Post by rawli on Dec 2, 2019 23:11:22 GMT
Their recruitment of both players and management have been better.
They know when to pull the trigger if a manager has run his course
They are able to palm their shit off to a club just up the M6
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Post by march4 on Dec 2, 2019 23:13:24 GMT
Can anyone explain this amazing dilemma. The team we always used to beat, who were relegated below us, and got rid of an apparently excellent manager, but now top this division while we are looking down the barrel at Div 1. Are they just run better than us.As far as I am aware they have not spent anywhere near the sums that we have. What are they doing better than us. Please help as I am grinding my teeth to below gum level at the situation. Choice of managers - nothing difficult to understand at all.
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Post by Boothen on Dec 2, 2019 23:33:16 GMT
Because, despite all their troubles, West Brom don't have a board of directors that are intent on running the club into the ground by doing everything on the cheap. Even when the do have a go at splashing a bit of cash, they end up paying premium prices for bargain basement players.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 2, 2019 23:36:23 GMT
We just need our luck to turn!
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 3, 2019 0:34:24 GMT
Because, despite all their troubles, West Brom don't have a board of directors that are intent on running the club into the ground by doing everything on the cheap. Even when the do have a go at splashing a bit of cash, they end up paying premium prices for bargain basement players. Can't imagine giving Rowett close to 50M is doing it on the cheap. From Wikipedia in case you've forgotten: "The players he brought in were goalkeeper Adam Federici, experienced centre back Ashley Williams, full-back Cuco Martina, midfielders Sam Clucas, Peter Etebo and Ryan Woods, wingers Tom Ince and James McClean and forward Benik Afobe." Benik and Clucas cost close to 15M.
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Post by cooper67 on Dec 3, 2019 4:23:40 GMT
Because their results are better than ours would be the best guess??
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 3, 2019 5:44:14 GMT
Getting Bilic was a bit of coup I think.
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Post by zerps on Dec 3, 2019 7:19:23 GMT
They score more goals than teams in more matches than we do.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 3, 2019 7:30:42 GMT
They are simply a better run club top to bottom, not that it would be difficult, they make decent signings and sell their shit, we make wank signings and buy their shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 7:44:45 GMT
Can anyone explain this amazing dilemma. The team we always used to beat, who were relegated below us, and got rid of an apparently excellent manager, but now top this division while we are looking down the barrel at Div 1. Are they just run better than us.As far as I am aware they have not spent anywhere near the sums that we have. What are they doing better than us. Please help as I am grinding my teeth to below gum level at the situation. Choice of managers - nothing difficult to understand at all. The only mistake they made was not sacking Pulis earlier
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2019 8:37:13 GMT
I suppose you could ask the same question of Leicester, Wolves, Villa, Forest, Derby, Birmingham et al, it wasn't that long ago we were the pride of the Midlands under the ambitious tutelage of one Mark 'Sparky' Hughes.
We're still lording it over Walsall, Crewe and the Vale so not all hope is lost!
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Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 3, 2019 8:39:05 GMT
Purely down to the fact that they have a board and structure that is run in the ways of the modern game and not one that is still stuck in the 90's trying to do everything on the cheap.
Their player recruitment has been far far superior also. They've invested into their team with the aim of gaining and instant return to the Premier League bringing in good championship players who are eager to challenge themselves.
For example they signed Sawyers and Ajayi, two players who are brilliant at this level....Stoke signed the eternal sicknote Nick Powell and Jordan Cousins on free transfers. Says it all.
Therein is the vast difference between the two clubs. John Coates and Teflon Tony Scholes are destroying everything we have achieved.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 3, 2019 8:40:05 GMT
I suppose you could ask the same question of Leicester, Wolves, Villa, Forest, Derby, Birmingham et al, it wasn't that long ago we were the pride of the Midlands under the ambitious tutelage of one Mark 'Sparky' Hughes. We're still lording it over Walsall, Crewe and the Vale so not all hope is lost! We're still lording it over Walsall, Crewe and the Vale so not all hope is lost!The worrying thing is we'd probably get beaten quite comfortably by all three of them at present.
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2019 8:41:50 GMT
Purely down to the fact that they have a board and structure that is run in the ways of the modern game and not one that is still stuck in the 90's trying to do everything on the cheap. Their player recruitment has been far far superior also. They've invested into their team with the aim of gaining and instant return to the Premier League bringing in good championship players who are eager to challenge themselves. For example they signed Sawyers and Ajayi, two players who are brilliant at this level....Stoke signed the eternal sicknote Nick Powell and Jordan Cousins on free transfers. Says it all. Therein is the vast difference between the two clubs. John Coates and Teflon Tony Scholes are destroying everything we have achieved. I agree with most of that except 'trying to do everything on the cheap', there is almost nothing we have done on the cheap. The owners have gladly racked up £200 million pounds of debt to the club through a share issue and according to Scholes at the weekend would be willing to throw even more good money after bad if FFP (thankfully) did not allow it.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 3, 2019 8:47:51 GMT
A catalogue of errors with big money (for us) signings that saw us relegated. Further signings of players not good enough for the Championship has left us with a squad of players that any manager is going to struggle with. The Baggies however have adapted well and don't have the dead weight we have. And of course they offloaded Berahino to us that sealed our fate.
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Post by neddy on Dec 3, 2019 8:47:55 GMT
I suppose the owners would say it’s timing as for 10 years in the prem wouldn’t it have been the other way around against most midland clubs?
Failed management appointments and disastrous player recruitment is the reason and until we have a good manager with good signings we will be in the same boat. The difficulty now being FFP.....
I really hope O’Neil is the man and January will be very enlightening!
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Post by thevoid on Dec 3, 2019 8:56:27 GMT
They sold two shit players to us for £18m
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 3, 2019 9:00:53 GMT
Because they started their turn around before they were relegated and were well on the way by the end of that season plus they had a good idea of the players they wanted (keeping Rodriguez was massive) and showed no sentimentality or loyalty towards Darren Moore. In our case we sleep walked into relegation never believing it would happen, didn't have a manager in place to help plan a strategy for if we did get relegated, believed recruiting ex Premier league players was the way to go, divided the squad by our haphazard handing out of contract renewals to players who were not blame free in our relegation and have been unlucky in manager recruitment.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 3, 2019 9:00:57 GMT
New chief executive , proven manager in England at a higher level . Structured planned recruitment policy we fail on all three and they are apparently very well positioned for FFP as it was the news CEO first task during the end of the relegation season
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Post by bolly_premprem on Dec 3, 2019 9:04:07 GMT
on paper, most of the players we have, have shown ability and skill recently (for other clubs, and for us in parts - look at wood for those first couple of games) but as a group they just dont seem to gel / perform / care
I personally think that we need 1 player, that player that sparks a team, and gets them playing
we have had a few in the past, stein, fuller, kav. the players that spark the rest of the team and get that .. we can do it vibe going
the problem is of course, finding those kinds of players
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 3, 2019 9:09:37 GMT
They're a good side, we are shit Yep.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 3, 2019 9:15:20 GMT
gross naivity and rank negligence in equal measure over the past 4 years......with a dollop of complacency & good helping of exec ineptitude.....
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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 3, 2019 9:25:29 GMT
Can't explain why the baggies are top, but I know why we're bottom.....
I honestly wouldn't back us to beat anyone right now. Anyone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2019 9:37:20 GMT
They had a clearout at executive and board level didn't they?
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Post by neddy on Dec 3, 2019 9:44:56 GMT
I don’t have a go at the CEO or Board but what I do know from my 40 years in corporate life is that if you don’t change things complacencies creep in and more importantly you miss the benefit of fresh thinking.
I just think the Board should think about that and I’m not meaning at team management level.
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