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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 9:02:38 GMT
Best way to stunt growth and destroy confidence? Chuck in all the youngsters with the toxic environment which the Brit is at the minute. As for Edwards, he's been as bad as anybody else. He was dreadful against Wigan - that's the thing with young players, some games they're good, some they aren't. All part of the learning process. Hopefully he improves, but for anyone to suggest that the standard of his play has been fine has very low expectations. He’s been ever present in a side that are currently going to get relegated. If relegation was the aim then Edwards has been fine... clearly not the accepted standard, ergo he’s not been fine. He's not been "ever present", as you falsely claim. He has been picked 10 out of 19 games. www.transfermarkt.com/tom-edwards/leistungsdaten/spieler/430788He has however been ever present in the four games that we've won, which suggests he must be doing something right.
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Post by adi on Dec 4, 2019 21:24:28 GMT
Hopefully he improves, but for anyone to suggest that the standard of his play has been fine has very low expectations. He’s been ever present in a side that are currently going to get relegated. If relegation was the aim then Edwards has been fine... clearly not the accepted standard, ergo he’s not been fine. He's not been "ever present", as you falsely claim. He has been picked 10 out of 19 games. www.transfermarkt.com/tom-edwards/leistungsdaten/spieler/430788He has however been ever present in the four games that we've won, which suggests he must be doing something right. To be fair he’s played most games
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Post by PotterLog on Dec 4, 2019 22:47:32 GMT
To be fair he’s played most games Haha “ever-present” to a smidgen over 50% in two posts
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Post by adi on Dec 4, 2019 23:17:16 GMT
To be fair he’s played most games Haha “ever-present” to a smidgen over 50% in two posts Seemed to have played more lol 😂 I think the point stands that he hasn’t been up to scratch though, albeit in a sea largely consisting of shite!!
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 5, 2019 2:01:13 GMT
I’d guess we don’t field a team of youngsters because let’s face it, the one who’s come through, Tyrese, just isn’t really that good.
People seem to think he’s quick, yet he never seems to outstrip a defender. Maybe he just doesn’t fancy it but either way it’s an issue.
If Tyrese and Edwards are a way of judging our academy, I’m sorry to say I don’t expect a team full of regulars anytime soon, and rightfully so.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 5, 2019 11:32:04 GMT
Best way to stunt growth and destroy confidence? Chuck in all the youngsters with the toxic environment which the Brit is at the minute. As for Edwards, he's been as bad as anybody else. He was dreadful against Wigan - that's the thing with young players, some games they're good, some they aren't. All part of the learning process. No need to go our stadium to "stunt growth and destroy confidence". Just read Jurgen Vandeurzen's post and you're sure never to have a young lad come near our stadium, which by the way you, like CCV, don't even know the name of. How petty can you get? Sorry, I will refer to it as the Bet365 Stadium at all times in the future, Don't open the Bet365 Stadium thread - you'll have a heart attack. Get a hobby mate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 17:37:47 GMT
To be fair he’s played most games I suppose 10 of 19 is slightly more than half, so most games? Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 17:45:09 GMT
I’d guess we don’t field a team of youngsters because let’s face it, the one who’s come through, Tyrese, just isn’t really that good. People seem to think he’s quick, yet he never seems to outstrip a defender. Maybe he just doesn’t fancy it but either way it’s an issue. If Tyrese and Edwards are a way of judging our academy, I’m sorry to say I don’t expect a team full of regulars anytime soon, and rightfully so. Personally I think Ty was very good at rebelling against the pantomime menager we had a while back... We do have a number of youth internationals on our books, three for England, two for Belgium, one for Denmark. Three of them are out on loan not been picked for us, two don't get picked for us at all, something we're very good at. A history we've been very good at over a long, long time. Probably the only thing we've been good at in recent years come to think of it...
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 8, 2019 11:54:36 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 8, 2019 12:11:07 GMT
In terms of there being a couple who could come in, in the areas we're lacking and make some kind of impression on the give-a-shitometer, what about Tre Pemberton? Okay, he's no world beater. But given he's up against Tom Ince and nobody else, could he at least run about a bit and look interested on the right-hand side? If not, you do wonder if there's any point at all to the u23 set-up. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-blackburn-tre-pemberton-award-2728835Has he regressed this season? Did I read somewhere he was being played more as a right back now? Either way though, literally anyone willing to run past his man down the channel would be better than Ince. Ngoy/Tre/Gregory/Diouf/Verlinden should all be ahead of Ince. Ince must be sold, even at a heavy loss.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 8, 2019 12:13:59 GMT
Not entirely He's chucked in some stinkers, he's picked up the ball watching habit that all our defenders have. However he's played well at times too and is still very young Which is fine. He’s young, he’ll make mistakes. You said he was the best RB in the league 🤣
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 8, 2019 12:25:03 GMT
I might have misheard, but on the radio yesterday it was noted that Middlesborough had 7 players on the pitch from the youth team. I know they haven't been setting the world on fire but have had a couple of decent results.
My only observation is that we aren't blessed with a good track record from the youth team and why should they be any different comparatively with the rest of the shit coursing through other areas of this club.
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Post by themistocles on Dec 9, 2019 11:11:32 GMT
Tre Pemberton is very, very quick. Could do a lot worse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 11:23:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 11:40:16 GMT
I might have misheard, but on the radio yesterday it was noted that Middlesborough had 7 players on the pitch from the youth team. I know they haven't been setting the world on fire but have had a couple of decent results. My only observation is that we aren't blessed with a good track record from the youth team and why should they be any different comparatively with the rest of the shit coursing through other areas of this club. We aren't blessed with a good track record from the youth team because we never play them in the first team. The few that get in are promptly dropped. We are however blessed with plenty of good results from the youth teamS over recent years.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2019 11:59:24 GMT
There's got to be a couple of unheralded members of the u23s who could come in and look vaguely interested for the next couple of games, surely?
A low bar - but one not many of our senior pros can clear
If not, they have no business being employed by us
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 12:15:26 GMT
There's got to be a couple of unheralded members of the u23s who could come in and look vaguely interested for the next couple of games, surely? A low bar - but one not many of our senior pros can clear If not, they have no business being employed by us Really don’t get how Danny Jarvis can’t make the bench tbh. And if I can only imagine the reaction if Edwards was as bad as Tommy Smith was last night. Fucking pathetic.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 21, 2019 12:22:34 GMT
There's got to be a couple of unheralded members of the u23s who could come in and look vaguely interested for the next couple of games, surely? A low bar - but one not many of our senior pros can clear If not, they have no business being employed by us Really don’t get how Danny Jarvis can’t make the bench tbh. And if I can only imagine the reaction if Edwards was as bad as Tommy Smith was last night. Fucking pathetic. What's happened to Sorensen? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-lasse-sorensen-contract-1746169As with Ngoy and Shenton, we give out these 5-yr deals to "bright" youngsters, to great fanfare, and they disappear into the wilderness almost immediately. Could the likes of Pemberton, Jarvis - even the young German kid - do any worse than the current shit? At least they'd view it as the chance of a lifetime Shame that winger Toure buggered off back to France in the summer. In the circumstances, he'd have to be close to be given a chance.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 12:24:51 GMT
Really don’t get how Danny Jarvis can’t make the bench tbh. And if I can only imagine the reaction if Edwards was as bad as Tommy Smith was last night. Fucking pathetic. What's happened to Sorensen? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-lasse-sorensen-contract-1746169As with Ngoy and Shenton, we give out these 5-yr deal to "bright" youngsters, to great fanfare, and they disappear into the wilderness almost immediately. Could the likes of Pemberton, Jarvis - even the young German kid - do any worse than the current shit? Shame that winger Toure buggered off in the summer. In the circumstances, he'd have to be close to be given a chance. He’s had a lot of injuries I think. And isn’t the sort of DM we need as things stand. Play him alongside a tough tackler though and I’d happily see him in the side. Letting Toure go was a joke of a decision. The best winger in the upper reaches of the academy.
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Post by lordb on Dec 21, 2019 12:39:22 GMT
There's got to be a couple of unheralded members of the u23s who could come in and look vaguely interested for the next couple of games, surely? A low bar - but one not many of our senior pros can clear If not, they have no business being employed by us Really don’t get how Danny Jarvis can’t make the bench tbh. And if I can only imagine the reaction if Edwards was as bad as Tommy Smith was last night. Fucking pathetic. Jarvis can go straight in the side for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 12:42:40 GMT
There's got to be a couple of unheralded members of the u23s who could come in and look vaguely interested for the next couple of games, surely? A low bar - but one not many of our senior pros can clear If not, they have no business being employed by us Really don’t get how Danny Jarvis can’t make the bench tbh. And if I can only imagine the reaction if Edwards was as bad as Tommy Smith was last night. Fucking pathetic. Smith did nothing wrong last night. When Ince was playing well, (up to about 60 mins), Smith was strongly supporting him. Edwards has been absolutely crap for a long time now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2019 12:54:33 GMT
Really don’t get how Danny Jarvis can’t make the bench tbh. And if I can only imagine the reaction if Edwards was as bad as Tommy Smith was last night. Fucking pathetic. Smith did nothing wrong last night. When Ince was playing well, (up to about 60 mins), Smith was strongly supporting him. Edwards has been absolutely crap for a long time now. Smith was at fault for the first goal and didn’t put one good cross in all night despite having the chance to on numerous occasions.
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