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Post by serpico on Dec 1, 2019 20:05:22 GMT
A week out from it now, what’s everyone’s thoughts ?
I’d like to see Joshua win but I just think Ruiz’s style is kryptonite to Joshua, if you were to design the perfect opponent that gives aj trouble then he would have Ruiz’s attributes IE fast hand speed, heavy handed, stocky and small, durable with a good chin.
Maybe if Joshua sticks behind a jab and doesn’t get drawn into a tear up again he can win a points victory but I’m going with Ruiz to win again.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 1, 2019 20:16:22 GMT
A week out from it now, what’s everyone’s thoughts ? I’d like to see Joshua win but I just think Ruiz’s style is kryptonite to Joshua, if you were to design the perfect opponent that gives aj trouble then he would have Ruiz’s attributes IE fast hand speed, heavy handed, stocky and small, durable with a good chin. Maybe if Joshua sticks behind a jab and doesn’t get drawn into a tear up again he can win a points victory but I’m going with Ruiz to win again. I think Joshua gets revenge by keeping it long, but for the reasons you state, I won't be betting on this one.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 1, 2019 21:01:15 GMT
Ruiz Jr beats him again
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Post by serpico on Dec 1, 2019 21:21:13 GMT
A week out from it now, what’s everyone’s thoughts ? I’d like to see Joshua win but I just think Ruiz’s style is kryptonite to Joshua, if you were to design the perfect opponent that gives aj trouble then he would have Ruiz’s attributes IE fast hand speed, heavy handed, stocky and small, durable with a good chin. Maybe if Joshua sticks behind a jab and doesn’t get drawn into a tear up again he can win a points victory but I’m going with Ruiz to win again. I think Joshua gets revenge by keeping it long, but for the reasons you state, I won't be betting on this one. Yeh, trouble is Joshua isn’t really a back foot fighter, he’s not great up close in the pocket either, he can’t clinch, as we saw in the first fight he tried clinching but Ruiz just shrugged him off and bust him open. I dunno, maybe his best bet is to actually do what everyone is saying not to do, which is to trade and hope to god he lands first this time ? Beyond a punchers chance I just can’t see how Joshua wins.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 1, 2019 21:28:21 GMT
I think Joshua gets revenge by keeping it long, but for the reasons you state, I won't be betting on this one. Yeh, trouble is Joshua isn’t really a back foot fighter, he’s not great up close in the pocket either, he can’t clinch, as we saw in the first fight he tried clinching but Ruiz just shrugged him off and bust him open. I dunno, maybe his best bet is to actually do what everyone is saying not to do, which is to trade and hope to god he lands first this time ? Beyond a punchers chance I just can’t see how Joshua wins. Like I say, I am not confident, it's just a feeling I get. The most worrying thing was how Joshua just accepted defeat. He gave up. If he loses again, he's finished. I usually win on boxing bets, but I don't feel confident enough to go with my feeling this time!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 1, 2019 21:34:32 GMT
I think Joshua gets revenge by keeping it long, but for the reasons you state, I won't be betting on this one. Yeh, trouble is Joshua isn’t really a back foot fighter, he’s not great up close in the pocket either, he can’t clinch, as we saw in the first fight he tried clinching but Ruiz just shrugged him off and bust him open. I dunno, maybe his best bet is to actually do what everyone is saying not to do, which is to trade and hope to god he lands first this time ? Beyond a punchers chance I just can’t see how Joshua wins. He landed first last time but it didn't hurt Ruiz. He rushed in immediately after and needlessly got clipped. He has to play it safe and box at range until later on.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 1, 2019 21:40:43 GMT
Anna everyone lost all interest in AJ? Bottled fighting Fury, bottled fighting Wilder, took the easy 'keep my record in tact' fight & got dicked.
He needs to destroy Ruiz AND then go & beat Fury/Wilder to get his reputation back.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 1, 2019 21:47:51 GMT
It's going to be interesting fight - could go either way
It's a strange division with Wilder being the most dangerous and entertaining due to the high probability of it ending in knockout
They're all avoiding each other which turns it into a charade
AJ to win, set up to meet Wilder and unify the belts
Can't for the life of me think what Fury is up to wrestling and UFC beyond following the yankee dollar
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Post by neworleanstokie on Dec 2, 2019 13:34:59 GMT
I was at MSG for AJ vs Ruiz I and you could tell something wasn't quite right with the delayed exit from the dressing room. AJ looked out of it when he walked past me and stepped into the ring. But he knocks down Ruiz and it seemed like it would be an easy night. As we know now AJ was then concussed by a blow from Ruiz but fought on until the fight was stopped. I think it tracks back to the Miami training camp and basics being missed. I know he's not up for a new trainer but I think that is the answer. Maybe Freddie Roach?
I'd love AJ to get a win in II but I just don't see it happening baed on what I saw back in June.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 13:38:45 GMT
Ruiz by a unanimous points decision I’m predicting.
Ruiz has nothing to lose last time, this time he’ll be a bit more guarded so he doesn’t get caught with a sucker punch. But I reckon he’ll school Joshua.....
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Dec 2, 2019 13:55:50 GMT
I genuinely thought Joshua was going to moo this division up over the last few/next few years but he seems to be on the decline since the Klitchko fight.
He tagged Ruiz in the first but never genuinely had him in trouble.
After a few rounds Ruiz couldn't miss him, hands were just too fast and Joshua just too easy for him to hit.
Joshua can knock anyone out but if he doesn't land one huge bomb in the first 4 or 5 rounds, I see no reason that Ruiz wont repeat the job
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Post by serpico on Dec 2, 2019 14:42:10 GMT
I genuinely thought Joshua was going to moo this division up over the last few/next few years but he seems to be on the decline since the Klitchko fight. He tagged Ruiz in the first but never genuinely had him in trouble. After a few rounds Ruiz couldn't miss him, hands were just too fast and Joshua just too easy for him to hit. Joshua can knock anyone out but if he doesn't land one huge bomb in the first 4 or 5 rounds, I see no reason that Ruiz wont repeat the job Not sure he’s on the decline as much as the level of opponent has got higher, that KO has been coming, he got rocked by Whyte with a similar shot (left hook) and also Povetkin almost landed the same shot and obviously klichko floored him.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 2, 2019 15:33:31 GMT
I’m looking forward for him having to go through chisora and David price on the comeback trail
To me he reminds me of how Mclroy lost his way when he first signed for Nike it became more about the life profile endorsements rather than the golf
Joshua needs to get focussed on boxing alone. Forget the adverts. I also believe he gets smoke blown up his arse be Eddie Hearn
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 15:02:48 GMT
I’m looking forward for him having to go through chisora and David price on the comeback trail To me he reminds me of how Mclroy lost his way when he first signed for Nike it became more about the life profile endorsements rather than the golf Joshua needs to get focussed on boxing alone. Forget the adverts. I also believe he gets smoke blown up his arse be Eddie Hearn big pricey apparently KOd Joshua in sparring once, Quite a few years ago though, I wouldn’t fancy prices chances now. I think Joshua’s problem is he doesn’t have enough adaptability, he can’t do what fury does and switch to south paw half way through a fight, he has one very distinct style and that’s it, his power has carried him so far but when he faces a good technical boxer he gets shown up, I fear for him on Saturday, i dont think he’s can handle Ruiz’s hand speed and power. But who knows, maybe Ruiz hasn’t prepared very well, maybe he’s let the money go to his head and taken his eye off the ball, it can happen.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 3, 2019 15:28:04 GMT
Why not go down and punch Ruiz hard in his fat breadbox ?
Joshua will knock the fat cunt out this time.
I have no doubt.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Dec 3, 2019 17:10:34 GMT
Anna everyone lost all interest in AJ? Bottled fighting Fury, bottled fighting Wilder, took the easy 'keep my record in tact' fight & got dicked. He needs to destroy Ruiz AND then go & beat Fury/Wilder to get his reputation back. Where do you get him bottling fighting anybody from? I don't think the Fury fight has ever been on the table. Their paths haven't come close yet. Fury was out for 2 years when that probably would have happened, he came back, fought a couple of bums and then Wilder's team lined him up as a bit of a patsy, so there was a better calibre of fight on Wilder's record but assuming he was still on his arse (that didn't turn out very well for them). Fury has just had a couple of Vegas easies since (and fucking WWE) to bulk his name up in America a bit to maximize PPV sales for Wilder v Fury II, which is the only reason why that didn't happen straight away. No sniff of him crossing paths with Joshua at any stage in either of their careers yet. And as for the potential Wilder fight, it looked like it was lined up as a future fight when Joshua had made strides into America and Wilder was more famous there. Neither are household names over there and that could/should be the billion dollar stadium super-fight that it deserves. Joshua's first step into America was as tough as it gets on paper too, Baby Miller in New York, so the "took the easy 'keep my record' intact fight" statement was wrong. Obviously Ruiz stepped in late and fucked the lot anyway.
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 17:40:42 GMT
Anna everyone lost all interest in AJ? Bottled fighting Fury, bottled fighting Wilder, took the easy 'keep my record in tact' fight & got dicked. He needs to destroy Ruiz AND then go & beat Fury/Wilder to get his reputation back. Where do you get him bottling fighting anybody from? I don't think the Fury fight has ever been on the table. Their paths haven't come close yet. Fury was out for 2 years when that probably would have happened, he came back, fought a couple of bums and then Wilder's team lined him up as a bit of a patsy, so there was a better calibre of fight on Wilder's record but assuming he was still on his arse (that didn't turn out very well for them). Fury has just had a couple of Vegas easies since (and fucking WWE) to bulk his name up in America a bit to maximize PPV sales for Wilder v Fury II, which is the only reason why that didn't happen straight away. No sniff of him crossing paths with Joshua at any stage in either of their careers yet. And as for the potential Wilder fight, it looked like it was lined up as a future fight when Joshua had made strides into America and Wilder was more famous there. Neither are household names over there and that could/should be the billion dollar stadium super-fight that it deserves. Joshua's first step into America was as tough as it gets on paper too, Baby Miller in New York, so the "took the easy 'keep my record' intact fight" statement was wrong. Obviously Ruiz stepped in late and fucked the lot anyway. I don’t even know why Joshua’s has decided to fight away from home, he was selling out wembley and getting massive box office numbers, he doesn’t need to go to America or Saudi Arabia, let them come here, they don’t even give a shit about wilder in the US, there are rumors that his last fight absolutely tanked on box office numbers, this is a fighter who’s defended his title 10 times and he’s still virtually unknown in his own country! Even Fury is far more known in the US, especially after his wwe appearances. The one good thing about this one being in Saudi Arabia is it starts early, main event at 9pm instead of 5:30am on a Sunday morning.
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Post by serpico on Dec 3, 2019 17:51:14 GMT
2 things in Joshua’s favour are Ruiz has the slower feet and he is hittable, I’ve seen some of his old fights on YouTube where he’s getting clobbered by right hands, he takes them all and wins the fights but still, he’s definitely hittable (as we saw in the 3rd round of the first fight)
People say Joshua ducks fighters but his resume is pretty good, they say klitchko was an old man but it was still a dangerous fight to take, I think it was Joshua 18th or 19th fight? when he took on Parker, Parker was unbeaten and everyone was saying he was a big threat, also Povetkin is no push over.
I think on balance Joshua has the better resume between him, fury and wilder.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Dec 3, 2019 19:52:52 GMT
Where do you get him bottling fighting anybody from? I don't think the Fury fight has ever been on the table. Their paths haven't come close yet. Fury was out for 2 years when that probably would have happened, he came back, fought a couple of bums and then Wilder's team lined him up as a bit of a patsy, so there was a better calibre of fight on Wilder's record but assuming he was still on his arse (that didn't turn out very well for them). Fury has just had a couple of Vegas easies since (and fucking WWE) to bulk his name up in America a bit to maximize PPV sales for Wilder v Fury II, which is the only reason why that didn't happen straight away. No sniff of him crossing paths with Joshua at any stage in either of their careers yet. And as for the potential Wilder fight, it looked like it was lined up as a future fight when Joshua had made strides into America and Wilder was more famous there. Neither are household names over there and that could/should be the billion dollar stadium super-fight that it deserves. Joshua's first step into America was as tough as it gets on paper too, Baby Miller in New York, so the "took the easy 'keep my record' intact fight" statement was wrong. Obviously Ruiz stepped in late and fucked the lot anyway. I don’t even know why Joshua’s has decided to fight away from home, he was selling out wembley and getting massive box office numbers, he doesn’t need to go to America or Saudi Arabia, let them come here, they don’t even give a shit about wilder in the US, there are rumors that his last fight absolutely tanked on box office numbers, this is a fighter who’s defended his title 10 times and he’s still virtually unknown in his own country! Even Fury is far more known in the US, especially after his wwe appearances. The one good thing about this one being in Saudi Arabia is it starts early, main event at 9pm instead of 5:30am on a Sunday morning. I think it's just money. The biggest Joshua fights in the UK generate something like £28m (Joshua is reportedly pocketing £50m on his own in this Saudi rematch!), fights on the scale that Joshua v Wilder should make if they were both worldwide household names and fighting in America could be >$300m. Mayweather v McGregor generated purses of $360m between them. Mayweather v Pacquiao was a $600m fight. Unbeaten Joshua v unbeaten Wilder could have been up there if the hype was right. Which might have just took Joshua having a couple of good wins in America, sit in the crowd at WWE, sing in that fat English lad's car, all whilst him and Wilder were calling each other out.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Dec 4, 2019 10:20:49 GMT
Joshua looked a hell of a lot lighter in the public workout yesterday. It can only be a good thing.
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Post by serpico on Dec 4, 2019 10:59:24 GMT
Joshua looked a hell of a lot lighter in the public workout yesterday. It can only be a good thing. looks like he's preparing for it to go long then, probably wise, he might stink the place out with a 12 round shut out, something similar to the parker fight.
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Post by borat on Dec 4, 2019 11:46:26 GMT
Joshua is a wounded animal that's for sure ,however he has a lot of flaws which ruiz and his team exploited perfectly the first time. Joshua is so flat footed, easy to hit and his chin isn't great. He needs to box ruiz, which will be boring to watch however I've got a feeling he could get caught again, Ruiz is a very under rated boxer, with a superb amateur record, whose never been stopped. I'm mightily pissed off with Eddie Hearn charging £25 the greedy cunt!! but I can't miss it!
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Dec 4, 2019 16:13:32 GMT
Joshua is a wounded animal that's for sure ,however he has a lot of flaws which ruiz and his team exploited perfectly the first time. Joshua is so flat footed, easy to hit and his chin isn't great. He needs to box ruiz, which will be boring to watch however I've got a feeling he could get caught again, Ruiz is a very under rated boxer, with a superb amateur record, whose never been stopped. I'm mightily pissed off with Eddie Hearn charging £25 the greedy cunt!! but I can't miss it! And it's actually £26.95 in HD, which unless you're watching it on a phone or a small TV from 1994, it's the one you're going to want.
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Post by unknown182 on Dec 4, 2019 17:05:57 GMT
When he got the knock down in the first fight he rushed in too early and didn't expect Ruiz to come back swinging. If he uses his distance he should have more than enough to get win on Saturday. Styles make fights and Ruiz is not a fighter you should trade shots with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 18:58:41 GMT
If Ruiz hit's him on the clock again, same result! He scattered his brain with that one for sure!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 4, 2019 23:31:35 GMT
Joshua looked a hell of a lot lighter in the public workout yesterday. It can only be a good thing. At least he doesnt look like Frank Bruno now. He needs speed. Jab in with the longer reach. Wear the opponent down. If he gets too close early doors it will end in tears.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 5, 2019 10:35:24 GMT
Joshua is a wounded animal that's for sure ,however he has a lot of flaws which ruiz and his team exploited perfectly the first time. Joshua is so flat footed, easy to hit and his chin isn't great. He needs to box ruiz, which will be boring to watch however I've got a feeling he could get caught again, Ruiz is a very under rated boxer, with a superb amateur record, whose never been stopped. I'm mightily pissed off with Eddie Hearn charging £25 the greedy cunt!! but I can't miss it! Sets a precedent for sky to raise the prices on all their boxing ppv
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 5, 2019 11:45:44 GMT
Joshua looked a hell of a lot lighter in the public workout yesterday. It can only be a good thing. He said he's coming in 10/9lbs lighter this time on five live. I don't see how it can be a positive to be honest. He couldn't Ruiz power with more weight on him - how will he handle it with less? As for the idea, he can be more mobile with less weight and stay out of the way boxing behind his jab - I've seen nothing in AJ's career thus far to suggest he's capable of that. He gets caught in fights, that's just what he does. I'd love AJ to win for the big fights that could lead too with Fury and Wilder etc, but I just can't see it. Ruiz is all wrong for him.
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Post by crowey on Dec 5, 2019 13:30:07 GMT
... I have a sneaking suspicion that Ruiz will win again. Fitter & leaner
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Post by neworleanstokie on Dec 5, 2019 13:31:23 GMT
Joshua is a wounded animal that's for sure ,however he has a lot of flaws which ruiz and his team exploited perfectly the first time. Joshua is so flat footed, easy to hit and his chin isn't great. He needs to box ruiz, which will be boring to watch however I've got a feeling he could get caught again, Ruiz is a very under rated boxer, with a superb amateur record, whose never been stopped. I'm mightily pissed off with Eddie Hearn charging £25 the greedy cunt!! but I can't miss it! Sets a precedent for sky to raise the prices on all their boxing ppv PPV in the US is usually 50-80GBP, this one is DAZN which is about 8GBP/month.
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