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Post by pushon on Dec 3, 2019 0:00:55 GMT
I agree completely about the lack of pace, but just as obvious to me is that we're too often dominated due to a lack of physical strength. The combination of these weaknesses can often mean we're just too easy to dominate.
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Post by lifelong on Dec 3, 2019 11:43:43 GMT
I agree completely about the lack of pace, but just as obvious to me is that we're too often dominated due to a lack of physical strength. The combination of these weaknesses can often mean we're just too easy to dominate. Spot on! especially midfield.
Allen has a great engine but just too light weight. Clucas has ability again lightweight as with Woods.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 11:56:47 GMT
My suspicion is that we don't want to be seen to buy young players who could be seen to be blocking the way of our academy players so end up signing older players as stop gaps who in reality are not good enough. Oh so that's why we've signed three right backs in the last couple of years protecting Edwards, and a striker in every window protecting Campbell from playing, and we've signed no left backs so we could groom Tymon by sending him away, and signed no real wingers so we could send Verlinden away? I think you're giving the transfer team way too much credit in suggesting that there's anything as advanced as an actual well thought and planned policy and strategy to our transfer windows. I do think they have a strategy, but it tends to go straight out the window, when they realise they're not the only club chasing targets and that other clubs have more to offer young players than our money.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2019 11:59:18 GMT
My suspicion is that we don't want to be seen to buy young players who could be seen to be blocking the way of our academy players so end up signing older players as stop gaps who in reality are not good enough. Oh so that's why we've signed three right backs in the last couple of years protecting Edwards, and a striker in every window protecting Campbell from playing, and we've signed no left backs so we could groom Tymon by sending him away, and signed no real wingers so we could send Verlinden away? I think you're giving the transfer team way too much credit in suggesting that there's anything as advanced as an actual well thought and planned policy and strategy to our transfer windows. I do think they have a strategy, but it tends to go straight out the window, when they realise they're not the only club chasing targets and that other clubs have more to offer young players than our money. You can sort of imagine the scene where other clubs have a hierarchy of targets for certain positions and move on to the next one down the list when the top target moves to another club and our blokes just sort of shrugging their shoulders saying: "we tried to sign one in fairness" That's what basically happened with trying to get Danny Ings on loan if I recall.
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Post by 58Potter on Dec 3, 2019 12:04:27 GMT
It's not just physical pace we lack, it's mental pace as well, the pace of quick-thinking within our squad is also abysmal. Correct Jim, to a man we are always on our heels during play, never on our toes 😕
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Post by jimmygscfc on Dec 3, 2019 12:08:31 GMT
Etebo and Badou are far more on the front foot, so bloody play them!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 14:26:06 GMT
Oh so that's why we've signed three right backs in the last couple of years protecting Edwards, and a striker in every window protecting Campbell from playing, and we've signed no left backs so we could groom Tymon by sending him away, and signed no real wingers so we could send Verlinden away? I think you're giving the transfer team way too much credit in suggesting that there's anything as advanced as an actual well thought and planned policy and strategy to our transfer windows. I do think they have a strategy, but it tends to go straight out the window, when they realise they're not the only club chasing targets and that other clubs have more to offer young players than our money. You can sort of imagine the scene where other clubs have a hierarchy of targets for certain positions and move on to the next one down the list when the top target moves to another club and our blokes just sort of shrugging their shoulders saying: "we tried to sign one in fairness" That's what basically happened with trying to get Danny Ings on loan if I recall. Well I think that DID happen in the last transfer window. Only they somehow went to the bottom of the list all the time: Jones, "I want the best DM in the business." Scholes,"That might be a stretch, Nath, but how about we sign Cousins from QPR? You worked with him when he was a kid, didn't you, and now as a special favour to you, we can get him on a free?" Jones, "Oh yes, he's been crap lately but with my magic wand I'll ensure he becomes the very best in the PL next year, when we'll be taking them all by storm." Scholes, "That why we have the best transfer team in the world!"
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Post by peekay67 on Dec 3, 2019 17:07:31 GMT
Brian Clough used to say the balls quicker than your feet. It's the ability to play with the ball. Though we don't have that either, admittedly.
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Post by lordb on Dec 3, 2019 17:12:43 GMT
This obsession with pace...
Defensively we aren't getting done for pace very often We aren't even getting done by defenders being out of position We are getting done by ALL our defenders ball watching on crosses, an inability to beat the attacker to the ball and general indecision. This suggests it's intelligence that's lacking not pace.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2019 17:26:47 GMT
This obsession with pace... Defensively we aren't getting done for pace very often We aren't even getting done by defenders being out of position We are getting done by ALL our defenders ball watching on crosses, an inability to beat the attacker to the ball and general indecision. This suggests it's intelligence that's lacking not pace. There's all kinds of pace though, we're not in need of blind runners or speed merchants but we certainly need to move the ball "with pace" because our players are pretty slow. Moving the ball quicker accounts for individuals not being the fastest. Pablo Hernandez is fucking ancient but Leeds move the ball so impressively and with such tempo he's behind everything good they do. I think when people mean pace they're not necessarily talking about straight line speed. Just the general tempo (or lack of) we play at. We move the ball with no tempo, it goes short to Batth, short to Carter Vickers, short to Batth, short to Woods, Short to Batth, short to Butland, short to Carter Vickers. Doesn't matter if you have The Flash up front, we need to move the ball faster, have greater speed of thought and our "pace" will increase.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 17:39:46 GMT
By the time we cross the half way line with the ball the opposition has two banks of four lined up.
Add in our complete lack of creative midfield and a bunch of journeymen strikers then it's no surprise we struggle to break teams down.
We are genuinely a very slow team physically and mentally. It makes for absolute dire viewing. I genuinely can't remember watching a side so bloody predictable. Every pass the oppostion can read 2 seconds before its made, our players open up the body, stare drectly at a team mate, take a touch out of their feet then pass it a yard behind the player they are aiming for. Hence why a lot of our passes are easily intercepted, you can read them like a book.
Unless some miracle happens in January and we can move on a dozen players and replace with half a dozen better players then this club is going down with a whimper.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 3, 2019 19:39:18 GMT
This obsession with pace... Defensively we aren't getting done for pace very often We aren't even getting done by defenders being out of position We are getting done by ALL our defenders ball watching on crosses, an inability to beat the attacker to the ball and general indecision. This suggests it's intelligence that's lacking not pace. There's all kinds of pace though, we're not in need of blind runners or speed merchants but we certainly need to move the ball "with pace" because our players are pretty slow. Moving the ball quicker accounts for individuals not being the fastest. Pablo Hernandez is fucking ancient but Leeds move the ball so impressively and with such tempo he's behind everything good they do. I think when people mean pace they're not necessarily talking about straight line speed. Just the general tempo (or lack of) we play at. We move the ball with no tempo, it goes short to Batth, short to Carter Vickers, short to Batth, short to Woods, Short to Batth, short to Butland, short to Carter Vickers. Doesn't matter if you have The Flash up front, we need to move the ball faster, have greater speed of thought and our "pace" will increase. Absolutely bang on. Remember Michael Kightly - he reminded me of Forrest Gump.
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Post by lordb on Dec 3, 2019 20:29:35 GMT
This obsession with pace... Defensively we aren't getting done for pace very often We aren't even getting done by defenders being out of position We are getting done by ALL our defenders ball watching on crosses, an inability to beat the attacker to the ball and general indecision. This suggests it's intelligence that's lacking not pace. There's all kinds of pace though, we're not in need of blind runners or speed merchants but we certainly need to move the ball "with pace" because our players are pretty slow. Moving the ball quicker accounts for individuals not being the fastest. Pablo Hernandez is fucking ancient but Leeds move the ball so impressively and with such tempo he's behind everything good they do. I think when people mean pace they're not necessarily talking about straight line speed. Just the general tempo (or lack of) we play at. We move the ball with no tempo, it goes short to Batth, short to Carter Vickers, short to Batth, short to Woods, Short to Batth, short to Butland, short to Carter Vickers. Doesn't matter if you have The Flash up front, we need to move the ball faster, have greater speed of thought and our "pace" will increase. Absolutely Speed of thought and action, actual physical pace is a bonus but not as important.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 3, 2019 21:26:24 GMT
We are seriously slow and seeing as we're not the Spanish national side of a decade ago we need to get in some pace. It wont happen though, I'm expecting a couple more journeyman midfielders in Jan.. you know just to be absolutely sure.
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 3, 2019 22:20:52 GMT
By the time we cross the half way line with the ball the opposition has two banks of four lined up. Add in our complete lack of creative midfield and a bunch of journeymen strikers then it's no surprise we struggle to break teams down. We are genuinely a very slow team physically and mentally. It makes for absolute dire viewing. I genuinely can't remember watching a side so bloody predictable. Every pass the oppostion can read 2 seconds before its made, our players open up the body, stare drectly at a team mate, take a touch out of their feet then pass it a yard behind the player they are aiming for. Hence why a lot of our passes are easily intercepted, you can read them like a book. Unless some miracle happens in January and we can move on a dozen players and replace with half a dozen better players then this club is going down with a whimper. This is very true. I remember when Adam came into the team for the Leeds game last season and despite being shot physically immediately transformed our team by being able to get on the ball and pick a forward pass. Even if they could pick a pass, it would be largely wasted because of the lack of pace ahead of them. Someone like Adam in the team and a couple of paces wingers and we'd be a completely different team.
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Post by pushon on Dec 3, 2019 22:58:06 GMT
Feed em plenty of strong curry, we'd have some spectacular runners then. Hopefully "Through the eye of a needle"😱for some of our most sluggish performers.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 4, 2019 0:46:10 GMT
Feed em plenty of strong curry, we'd have some spectacular runners then. Hopefully "Through the eye of a needle"😱for some of our most sluggish performers. They are already stinking the place out the last thing they need is a chicken madras.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 4, 2019 2:24:04 GMT
Certainly the lack of pace is alarming.
As if our lack of keepers who keep the ball out of the net, defenders who can stop opposition strikers, midfielders who can control a ball and pass a ball, wingers who can get crosses in or even cut in and score themselves, and also strikers who can put the ball in the net at a better ratio of 1 every 6 games.
If you added pace to every one of our players, as much as we’d see a marginal improvement because they’re just obviously a bit quicker, would they really improve drastically?
As good as we are on paper, I’ve come to terms that the squad as a whole is just a little bit shit.
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