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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 7, 2019 19:36:31 GMT
Replace Clucas with Powell and I'd be in full agreement, ditch the 4-3-3 and we'd be onto something. . Seeing we're in pick n mix mood ... Let's try.. In 4231 Smith Shawcross Bruno Clucas Badou Etebo Duffy Powell McClean Diouf Little Joe can be ball boy captain. You know what, I'd forgotten about Clucas at lb, I want to change my line up now
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 7, 2019 19:55:36 GMT
Crazy they arn't starting, if we are insisting on a 433 it has to badou, etebo & clucas/powell CM surely.
I'm no big fan of Diouf but my front 3 atm would be
LW McLean CF Diouf RW N'goy
Said it before but I don't understand why when we lack pace N'goy isn't even getting a look in, the bits I've seen of him he has pace, is direct and will take a man on.
My 433 for luton would look like this
Federici/davies
Smith Batth BMI Clucas
N'diaye Etebo Powell
N'goy Diouf Mclean
Ince is fucking useless, I'd play him left back, in the changing rooms
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Post by kustokie on Dec 7, 2019 20:16:26 GMT
When will people realize that Etebo, N’daye and a few others are not in McNeil’s plans because we can’t afford them, and he’s building the core around players that he can afford to keep?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 7, 2019 20:17:48 GMT
When will people realize that Etebo, N’daye and a few others are not in McNeil’s plans because we can’t afford them, and he’s building the core around players that he can afford to keep? Cant afford them? They are contracted scfc players
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Post by kustokie on Dec 7, 2019 21:54:43 GMT
When will people realize that Etebo, N’daye and a few others are not in McNeil’s plans because we can’t afford them, and he’s building the core around players that he can afford to keep? Cant afford them? They are contracted scfc players We need cash from their sale and to reduce wage bill. Apparently MON sees no point playing them if they are not part of the future.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 21:56:16 GMT
Cant afford them? They are contracted scfc players We need cash from their sale and to reduce wage bill. Apparently MON sees no point playing them if they are not part of the future. Apparently according to who? Is the cash from their sale worth more than the cash we lose being relegated? How do we get a decent fee for them when they’re out of the team?
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Post by kustokie on Dec 7, 2019 21:59:18 GMT
Not justifying the decisions, just trying to understand them. What other explanations are there?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:00:40 GMT
Not justifying the decisions, just trying to understand them. What other explanations are there? O’Neill doesn’t rate them?
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Post by Davef on Dec 7, 2019 22:02:22 GMT
Not justifying the decisions, just trying to understand them. What other explanations are there? Until the manager and/or the club can give a legitimate reason for not including either player in the starting eleven, then we all have to assume that we are purposely excluding two of the best players at the club from the first team for f**k all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 22:04:30 GMT
When will people realize that Etebo, N’daye and a few others are not in McNeil’s plans because we can’t afford them, and he’s building the core around players that he can afford to keep? Well those he's building around are working wonders. When you're deep in a relegation battle you play your strongest squad to get as many points of possible and if that times comes those better players move on so be it. Why hamstring yourself for 2 months of the season because we may lose a couple of players? It's retarded.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 7, 2019 22:05:07 GMT
Not justifying the decisions, just trying to understand them. What other explanations are there? O’Neill doesn’t rate them? 🤣
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:05:48 GMT
O’Neill doesn’t rate them? 🤣 Do feel free to put forward a counter argument. If he’s not playing them because they might leave that’s just as fucking stupid.
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Post by Saul Krakinov on Dec 7, 2019 22:57:33 GMT
Surely the reason they're not playing is because they're both leaving in January and we cannot afford financially for them to get injured
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 7, 2019 22:58:40 GMT
Surely the reason they're not playing is because they're both leaving in January and we cannot afford financially for them to get injured But we can afford financially to be relegated as a result of not playing our best players?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 22:59:18 GMT
Surely the reason they're not playing is because they're both leaving in January and we cannot afford financially for them to get injured It's probably this. And he'll be trying to get a tune out of the ones that are staying on. If not, he must be fucking senile.
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 7, 2019 23:08:36 GMT
Surely the reason they're not playing is because they're both leaving in January and we cannot afford financially for them to get injured Well Badou still got 22 minutes on the pitch today, so they can't be that risk-averse. At least he got game time. Has Etebo's absence been explained by MON himself yet?
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 7, 2019 23:22:44 GMT
Cant afford them? They are contracted scfc players We need cash from their sale and to reduce wage bill. Apparently MON sees no point playing them if they are not part of the future. Well we clearly can't afford to keep the ones he is picking because they mean league one and the consequences of it .
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Post by Jimmyg on Dec 7, 2019 23:25:01 GMT
We need cash from their sale and to reduce wage bill. Apparently MON sees no point playing them if they are not part of the future. Well we clearly can't afford to keep the ones he is picking because they mean league one and the consequences of it . I agree without these two in the squad we will find it very difficult to turn things around
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Post by skip on Dec 8, 2019 0:37:33 GMT
Cant afford them? They are contracted scfc players We need cash from their sale and to reduce wage bill. Apparently MON sees no point playing them if they are not part of the future. Well they're very much part of the present and we're more likely to win with them than without them so why they don't play is utterly stupid.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Dec 8, 2019 3:33:13 GMT
We need cash from their sale and to reduce wage bill. Apparently MON sees no point playing them if they are not part of the future. Well they're very much part of the present and we're more likely to win with them than without them so why they don't play is utterly stupid. This.....surely!!??
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 8, 2019 4:02:09 GMT
Replace Clucas with Powell and I'd be in full agreement, ditch the 4-3-3 and we'd be onto something. . Seeing we're in pick n mix mood ... Let's try.. In 4231 Smith Shawcross Bruno Clucas Badou Etebo Duffy Powell McClean Diouf Little Joe can be ball boy captain. I like the formation and backline. I know Smith has been wank, but he's the only RB we have with any kind of track record. Clucas isn't ideal at LB, but Ward is an empty uniform and BMI is terrible out wide. I don't really rate Duffy, but I'll take just about anyone over Ince. I think giving MDB a shot with Hogan backing him up is the way to go since we need some pace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 5:14:42 GMT
Not justifying the decisions, just trying to understand them. What other explanations are there? Until the manager and/or the club can give a legitimate reason for not including either player in the starting eleven, then we all have to assume that we are purposely excluding two of the best players at the club from the first team for f**k all. The club never has, or ever will, give out information. I think that they believe that they are royalty. Throw some bread to their minions? I think not.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 8, 2019 6:11:04 GMT
It's quite ridiculous to think their lack of selection is due to them possibly not being here after Jan. It's akin to loaning a gun player but refusing to play them due to not being part of plans at end of loan spell. It's just a case that he rates the others over the best two we have.......get use to it, we should be by now.
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Dec 8, 2019 6:29:52 GMT
It's quite ridiculous to think their lack of selection is due to them possibly not being here after Jan. It's akin to loaning a gun player but refusing to play them due to not being part of plans at end of loan spell. It's just a case that he rates the others over the best two we have.......get use to it, we should be by now. Wtf is a "gun player" ?
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Post by telfordstokie on Dec 8, 2019 6:43:06 GMT
If the theory we can’t risk them being injured is right, how come Badou has been coming off the bench? It seems that the more likely truth is MON just doesn’t rate them.
Difficult to believe as they are the only two players in our massive squad who have the potential and ability to go on to bigger and better things but there we are.
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Post by Saul Krakinov on Dec 8, 2019 9:29:53 GMT
Surely the reason they're not playing is because they're both leaving in January and we cannot afford financially for them to get injured Well Badou still got 22 minutes on the pitch today, so they can't be that risk-averse. At least he got game time. Has Etebo's absence been explained by MON himself yet? Eh i'm not saying my theory is watertight but it's the only logical thing i can come up with. I WANT MoN to prove me wrong next match
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 8, 2019 9:33:03 GMT
The middle of the pitch has more back-up options than most areas and you have to wonder what is happening with Peter Etebo if he doesn’t at least make the bench.
And even if Badou Ndiaye is off in January, Stoke cannot afford the luxury of overlooking his potential contribution to an increasingly sorry looking cause.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 8, 2019 10:58:45 GMT
O'Neill said in his Radio Stoke interview yesterday ... "We have a lot of OPTIONS in the middle of the pitch, we can address that."
Surely that statement alone, demonstrates that all this speculation about him being forced into not picking Badou and Etebo is wrong.
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Post by march4 on Dec 8, 2019 11:01:09 GMT
O'Neill said in his Radio Stoke interview yesterday ... "We have a lot of OPTIONS in the middle of the pitch, we can address that." Surely that statement alone, demonstrates that all this speculation about him being forced into not picking Badou and Etebo is wrong. Then why is he doing it Paul? It makes little sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 11:02:16 GMT
O'Neill said in his Radio Stoke interview yesterday ... "We have a lot of OPTIONS in the middle of the pitch, we can address that." Surely that statement alone, demonstrates that all this speculation about him being forced into not picking Badou and Etebo is wrong. The manager has wasted so much time and vital points to work out what everyone already knew.
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