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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 8:26:59 GMT
All have much more experience of English football though. I worry that we’ve appointed a manager that is going to be blinkered and will only look at domestic players, where as we’ve discovered it’s difficult to find any available that are half decent. It's not just the manager though. It's company policy from now on (or going back from since we got relegated) that we only buy British whether it'd be players or managers we're hiring. The last 18 players that we've signed are all British born and bred (including McClean by birth). It must be based on huge dissatisfaction with a number of foreign signings we've made, Jese, Choupo, Afellay, Arnautovic, Wimmer, Imbula that have caused the club a lot of bother, but it's very shortsighted when you think of how much the likes of Nzonzi, Begovic, Sorensen, Huth, Bojan, Arnautovic (again!) and others have brought the club. It's very much manager driven though isn't it? We've appointed managers with that mindset.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 10, 2019 9:10:46 GMT
So because he openly got behind his previous manager, that then means that logically he'll hate his next manager? That's a pretty warped logic. Not really when you're on your 4th manager and you enjoyed playing for the last depite wanting to leave the club beforehand. It makes perfect sense. It doesn't make perfect sense at all, it's just fanciful speculation on your part. It's no more logical than saying that because he was a good egg with the previous manager, then there is every reason to believe he'll be a good egg with the next manager. O'Neill has admitted that he didn't pick him against Barnsley based on the videos of us he watched prior to becoming manager and we won. He didn't pick him in the next game and we won, he was forced into picking him against Cardiff and we lost. He's told us why he isn't playing him in his own words, why can't people accept that so far he just hasn't fancied him, rather than coming up with outlandish theories to explain his absence?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:22:05 GMT
It's not just the manager though. It's company policy from now on (or going back from since we got relegated) that we only buy British whether it'd be players or managers we're hiring. The last 18 players that we've signed are all British born and bred (including McClean by birth). It must be based on huge dissatisfaction with a number of foreign signings we've made, Jese, Choupo, Afellay, Arnautovic, Wimmer, Imbula that have caused the club a lot of bother, but it's very shortsighted when you think of how much the likes of Nzonzi, Begovic, Sorensen, Huth, Bojan, Arnautovic (again!) and others have brought the club. It's very much manager driven though isn't it? We've appointed managers with that mindset. Yes but they are appointed because they have that mindset...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 10:22:26 GMT
It's very much manager driven though isn't it? We've appointed managers with that mindset. Yes but they are appointed because they have that mindset... I don't think they are. Appointing British managers doesn't automatically mean they'll only buy British.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 12:10:21 GMT
Yes but they are appointed because they have that mindset... I don't think they are. Appointing British managers doesn't automatically mean they'll only buy British. No, not automatically. There's plenty of English managers that buy foreign players. But in Stoke that's what the policy is, as evidenced through the last 18 months. Name one foreign player that we have tried to sign in that period. It's pretty daft, reilly. Apart from being potentially better players on the continent, they tend to come cheaper in wages. Unless we talk about Leos, of course.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 10, 2019 12:39:56 GMT
Yes but they are appointed because they have that mindset... I don't think they are. Appointing British managers doesn't automatically mean they'll only buy British. I tend to think they are of that mindset. They've seen it succeed with TP. I don't agree with it but I can definitely see it.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 10, 2019 13:04:14 GMT
Given recent performances from our midfield I cannot see why Etebo is not being selected to start
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 13:07:33 GMT
I don't think they are. Appointing British managers doesn't automatically mean they'll only buy British. I tend to think they are of that mindset. They've seen it succeed with TP. I don't agree with it but I can definitely see it. I don't think they'd have set Carto on or brought this Chapple youth in if they were.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 13:09:19 GMT
I don't think they are. Appointing British managers doesn't automatically mean they'll only buy British. No, not automatically. There's plenty of English managers that buy foreign players. But in Stoke that's what the policy is, as evidenced through the last 18 months. Name one foreign player that we have tried to sign in that period. It's pretty daft, reilly. Apart from being potentially better players on the continent, they tend to come cheaper in wages. Unless we talk about Leos, of course. Well Etebo was one. Rowett turned his nose up at him because he wasn't interested in signing players from overseas. Carto pretty much went because Jones was only interested in the narrowest of options. The club's policy is to be led by the manager on transfers, by and large.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 13:28:37 GMT
No, not automatically. There's plenty of English managers that buy foreign players. But in Stoke that's what the policy is, as evidenced through the last 18 months. Name one foreign player that we have tried to sign in that period. It's pretty daft, reilly. Apart from being potentially better players on the continent, they tend to come cheaper in wages. Unless we talk about Leos, of course. Well Etebo was one. Rowett turned his nose up at him because he wasn't interested in signing players from overseas. Carto pretty much went because Jones was only interested in the narrowest of options. The club's policy is to be led by the manager on transfers, by and large. Etebo arrived at Stoke more than 18 months ago, so it's not a good example.
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Post by biglad180 on Dec 10, 2019 13:33:35 GMT
Etebo and badou should both start it's a no brainer. Best 2 players at the club by far and if O'Neil and is backroom staff cannot see it they all want fucking off. I would also start diouf in place of Ince. Hogan would also be in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 13:35:55 GMT
Well Etebo was one. Rowett turned his nose up at him because he wasn't interested in signing players from overseas. Carto pretty much went because Jones was only interested in the narrowest of options. The club's policy is to be led by the manager on transfers, by and large. Etebo arrived at Stoke more than 18 months ago, so it's not a good example. He arrived almost 18 months ago to the day, didn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 13:43:19 GMT
Etebo arrived at Stoke more than 18 months ago, so it's not a good example. He arrived almost 18 months ago to the day, didn't he? He was signed before the world cup.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 13:47:12 GMT
He arrived almost 18 months ago to the day, didn't he? He was signed before the world cup. He signed in June 2018, yes. Even if it’s not 18 months (and I’m pretty sure it is), are we not splitting hairs somewhat regarding your general point?
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 10, 2019 15:26:30 GMT
All have much more experience of English football though. I worry that we’ve appointed a manager that is going to be blinkered and will only look at domestic players, where as we’ve discovered it’s difficult to find any available that are half decent. It's not just the manager though. It's company policy from now on (or going back from since we got relegated) that we only buy British whether it'd be players or managers we're hiring. The last 18 players that we've signed are all British born and bred (including McClean by birth). It must be based on huge dissatisfaction with a number of foreign signings we've made, Jese, Choupo, Afellay, Arnautovic, Wimmer, Imbula that have caused the club a lot of bother, but it's very shortsighted when you think of how much the likes of Nzonzi, Begovic, Sorensen, Huth, Bojan, Arnautovic (again!) and others have brought the club. Definitely agree. I think they have this idea that TP’s success was built in British players so we need to go back to that. In reality in the TP era the league was far less competitive and TP/the scouts also had an excellent eye for a player so we somehow managed to pick up Fuller/Higgy/Lawrence/Whelan/Shawcross for very reasonable fees.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 10, 2019 15:33:28 GMT
It's not just the manager though. It's company policy from now on (or going back from since we got relegated) that we only buy British whether it'd be players or managers we're hiring. The last 18 players that we've signed are all British born and bred (including McClean by birth). It must be based on huge dissatisfaction with a number of foreign signings we've made, Jese, Choupo, Afellay, Arnautovic, Wimmer, Imbula that have caused the club a lot of bother, but it's very shortsighted when you think of how much the likes of Nzonzi, Begovic, Sorensen, Huth, Bojan, Arnautovic (again!) and others have brought the club. Definitely agree. I think they have this idea that TP’s success was built in British players so we need to go back to that. In reality in the TP era the league was far less competitive and TP/the scouts also had an excellent eye for a player so we somehow managed to pick up Fuller/Higgy/Lawrence/Whelan/Shawcross for very reasonable fees. You may well be right but, if, they are thinking on these lines then why didn't they just get him back for the survival job?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:17:57 GMT
He was signed before the world cup. He signed in June 2018, yes. Even if it’s not 18 months (and I’m pretty sure it is), are we not splitting hairs somewhat regarding your general point? Speak for yourself!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:21:09 GMT
It's not just the manager though. It's company policy from now on (or going back from since we got relegated) that we only buy British whether it'd be players or managers we're hiring. The last 18 players that we've signed are all British born and bred (including McClean by birth). It must be based on huge dissatisfaction with a number of foreign signings we've made, Jese, Choupo, Afellay, Arnautovic, Wimmer, Imbula that have caused the club a lot of bother, but it's very shortsighted when you think of how much the likes of Nzonzi, Begovic, Sorensen, Huth, Bojan, Arnautovic (again!) and others have brought the club. Definitely agree. I think they have this idea that TP’s success was built in British players so we need to go back to that. In reality in the TP era the league was far less competitive and TP/the scouts also had an excellent eye for a player so we somehow managed to pick up Fuller/Higgy/Lawrence/Whelan/Shawcross for very reasonable fees. Thanks for agreeing but I disagree somewhat. TP did employ a number of foreign-ish players, although they'd played in England before like Faye, Sorensen, Huth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:22:54 GMT
Definitely agree. I think they have this idea that TP’s success was built in British players so we need to go back to that. In reality in the TP era the league was far less competitive and TP/the scouts also had an excellent eye for a player so we somehow managed to pick up Fuller/Higgy/Lawrence/Whelan/Shawcross for very reasonable fees. You may well be right but, if, they are thinking on these lines then why didn't they just get him back for the survival job? Because then they'd have to resolve the eternal personality clash between Scholes and Pulis!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2019 18:26:28 GMT
Not really when you're on your 4th manager and you enjoyed playing for the last depite wanting to leave the club beforehand. It makes perfect sense. It doesn't make perfect sense at all, it's just fanciful speculation on your part. It's no more logical than saying that because he was a good egg with the previous manager, then there is every reason to believe he'll be a good egg with the next manager. O'Neill has admitted that he didn't pick him against Barnsley based on the videos of us he watched prior to becoming manager and we won. He didn't pick him in the next game and we won, he was forced into picking him against Cardiff and we lost. He's told us why he isn't playing him in his own words, why can't people accept that so far he just hasn't fancied him, rather than coming up with outlandish theories to explain his absence? I don’t know what videos he watched I’d say Swansea and Fulham were two he might take a look at
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 10, 2019 18:44:03 GMT
I tend to think they are of that mindset. They've seen it succeed with TP. I don't agree with it but I can definitely see it. I don't think they'd have set Carto on or brought this Chapple youth in if they were. Well Carto has been shown the door and i've no idea the way Chapple thinks.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 10, 2019 18:49:16 GMT
It doesn't make perfect sense at all, it's just fanciful speculation on your part. It's no more logical than saying that because he was a good egg with the previous manager, then there is every reason to believe he'll be a good egg with the next manager. O'Neill has admitted that he didn't pick him against Barnsley based on the videos of us he watched prior to becoming manager and we won. He didn't pick him in the next game and we won, he was forced into picking him against Cardiff and we lost. He's told us why he isn't playing him in his own words, why can't people accept that so far he just hasn't fancied him, rather than coming up with outlandish theories to explain his absence? I don’t know what videos he watched I’d say Swansea and Fulham were two he might take a look at Oh absolutely. His comments don't make any sense. Swansea was our best performance of the season and Badou and Etebo were our best players that day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 19:13:53 GMT
How did Etebo get on last night ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 10, 2019 19:14:59 GMT
How did Etebo get on last night ? McKinlay just said he played well and got 90 mins under his belt and will be in contention for the weekend. He also said Badou was unavailable tonight with a virus
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 10, 2019 19:21:51 GMT
How did Etebo get on last night ? McKinlay just said he played well and got 90 mins under his belt and will be in contention for the weekend. He also said Badou was unavailable tonight with a virus Really hope this is right!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 10, 2019 19:24:12 GMT
How did Etebo get on last night ? McKinlay just said he played well and got 90 mins under his belt and will be in contention for the weekend. He also said Badou was unavailable tonight with a virus Well if he played 90 last night and we knew Badou had a virus he could have played 90 tonight McKinley don’t say much and when he does it’s utter horse shit
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 10, 2019 19:25:05 GMT
I don't think they'd have set Carto on or brought this Chapple youth in if they were. Well Carto has been shown the door and i've no idea the way Chapple thinks. Carto left of his own volition didn’t he? Chapple was Brighton’s overseas scout so both had foreign contacts. Not sure why we’d set either on if we didn’t want to look overseas.
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 10, 2019 19:33:22 GMT
Definitely agree. I think they have this idea that TP’s success was built in British players so we need to go back to that. In reality in the TP era the league was far less competitive and TP/the scouts also had an excellent eye for a player so we somehow managed to pick up Fuller/Higgy/Lawrence/Whelan/Shawcross for very reasonable fees. Thanks for agreeing but I disagree somewhat. TP did employ a number of foreign-ish players, although they'd played in England before like Faye, Sorensen, Huth. Yeah I mean domestically based. Struggling to think of many at all that he took from abroad (and even fewer that he actually played).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 20:00:37 GMT
Thanks for agreeing but I disagree somewhat. TP did employ a number of foreign-ish players, although they'd played in England before like Faye, Sorensen, Huth. Yeah I mean domestically based. Struggling to think of many at all that he took from abroad (and even fewer that he actually played). It's probably not a struggle to think of Tuncay and Gudjohnsson. They came, whether he wanted them is open to discussion...
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Post by Championship Potter on Dec 10, 2019 20:22:09 GMT
Yeah I mean domestically based. Struggling to think of many at all that he took from abroad (and even fewer that he actually played). It's probably not a struggle to think of Tuncay and Gudjohnsson. They came, whether he wanted them is open to discussion... Both had played in England before though (Tuncay came directly from Middlesborough and Gudjohnsen was on loan at Tottenham the season before he joined and previously spent most of his career here).
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