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Post by steveaustin1 on Dec 2, 2019 12:41:32 GMT
Well, we’ve reached the abject, stinking pits now, haven’t we. Blaming the ground, blaming the move, blaming the atmosphere. What next? Should never have sold Greenhoff (shocking decision at the time), Mars Bars are smaller? FFS! Simple issue is, we have shit-shopped at Lidl and Cee n Cee; we have a disjointed, bloated squad; we have had a sequence of managers who have added misfit, gutless players who have no pride, who in no way shape or form identify with the club, the city, or the fans. We have to endure, gut wrenching, false platitudes from so-called professional players. We have blindly, stumbled into the perfect storm of misfit players, with no desire, plenty of grubby cash, and a shocking couldn’t give a fucking toss what happens to this club of ours. Like it or lump it, our eggs are in the MON basket and what do we get? 4 grantedly unconvincing results and the guys a goner, clueless, the end of the world is nigh, even Wrights pies have been replaced by those pastry bags full of cold mulched sick! Simple fact is MON didn’t buy these God-foresaken jokes of spineless footballers. He is about to have a transfer window and he has a chance to raise cash via some so-called good players who have consistently shown they are fragile, clueless, inept, wasters. They have bestowed 7 home defeats on us, capitulated, at virtually every opportunity, They have let us down. Judge MON on the facts. We at least have 6 points from 4 games - at the moment a ratio that we would have begged for over the last 12 months. Absolutely no guarantee we will get out of this, but I think MON is a fighter. So, let’s not act like jelly-legged, snow flakes. As fans, we have to demonstrate that the worse it gets, the more determined we demonstrate our conviction to back them - and expect of them. If we need a fire-sale of some kind, bring it on. Get rid of the cancers and rebuild. Else, oblivion. But we are not there yet!
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Post by stokeson on Dec 2, 2019 12:42:10 GMT
Yes lets move from the ground where for many seasons you wouldnt want to play at on a cold Tue in Nov. Lets move from the loudest ground in the prem for many seasons. Maybe we should be looking at whats happening on the pitch first?
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Post by steveaustin1 on Dec 2, 2019 12:42:42 GMT
Well, we’ve reached the abject, stinking pits now, haven’t we. Blaming the ground, blaming the move, blaming the atmosphere. What next? Should never have sold Greenhoff (shocking decision at the time), Mars Bars are smaller? FFS! Simple issue is, we have shit-shopped at Lidl and Cee n Cee; we have a disjointed, bloated squad; we have had a sequence of managers who have added misfit, gutless players who have no pride, who in no way shape or form identify with the club, the city, or the fans. We have to endure, gut wrenching, false platitudes from so-called professional players. We have blindly, stumbled into the perfect storm of misfit players, with no desire, plenty of grubby cash, and a shocking couldn’t give a fucking toss what happens to this club of ours. Like it or lump it, our eggs are in the MON basket and what do we get? 4 grantedly unconvincing results and the guys a goner, clueless, the end of the world is nigh, even Wrights pies have been replaced by those pastry bags full of cold mulched sick! Simple fact is MON didn’t buy these God-foresaken jokes of spineless footballers. He is about to have a transfer window and he has a chance to raise cash via some so-called good players who have consistently shown they are fragile, clueless, inept, wasters. They have bestowed 7 home defeats on us, capitulated, at virtually every opportunity, They have let us down. Judge MON on the facts. We at least have 6 points from 4 games - at the moment a ratio that we would have begged for over the last 12 months. Absolutely no guarantee we will get out of this, but I think MON is a fighter. So, let’s not act like jelly-legged, snow flakes. As fans, we have to demonstrate that the worse it gets, the more determined we demonstrate our conviction to back them - and expect of them. If we need a fire-sale of some kind, bring it on. Get rid of the cancers and rebuild. Else, oblivion. But we are not there yet! This deserves a thread of its own. Well said that man. Positive, fightibg spirit, bring it on.Best post I have ever read
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 2, 2019 12:43:24 GMT
Quite agree, get the bulkdozers in and demolish the soulless shit hole, this will be the third relegation in this place, another 90 minutes sitting in the freezing cold watching that garbage and then another 99 minutes trying to get to the D road from the holiday inn after.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 2, 2019 12:48:20 GMT
Oh god. Here we go again with the Brit/365 bashing. The old chesnut we should never have moved out again. Yes we should. The Vic was a shithole. If we'd redeveloped it it would of been a shit hole with seats, and plenty of posts blocking your view. Instead we had the chance to move to a new stadium for less money than redevelopment would cost. As for this soulless crap. You forgetting how the stadium was absolutely bouncing every week when we first went up to the Prem? It's souless these days because we've been watching absolute shit on the pitch for 3 and a half years. And a stadium in Hanley is quite frankly laughable. Can you imagine the traffic? Stoke are at home and its christmas shoppping time! The city would be at a standstil. Our stadium is perfectly positioned for quick and easy traffic access next to the A50/A500. Most new football stadiums are built away from the towns these days. That many people heading into Town Centres just causes chaos. And if your cold buy yourself a decent coat ffs! The voice of reason 👍👏 This thread needs shit binning
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 2, 2019 12:49:54 GMT
Fill the other three corners in.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 2, 2019 17:51:02 GMT
Is there any way we could move from this place? The Coates family could build a new stadium with the money they have, they could call it the Coates stadium if they want. The Bet 365 is soulless and freezing fecking cold, even in summer, it makes the whole match day experience shite and to be honest a chore. Let's have a purpose built stadium in the city centre somewhere, perhaps where they are on about building a music venue in Hanley, it could be dual purpose if it had a roof. Be playing on Normacot Reck the way we going 😎 Local for me. 👍😉
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 17:51:49 GMT
Well, we’ve reached the abject, stinking pits now, haven’t we. Blaming the ground, blaming the move, blaming the atmosphere. What next? Should never have sold Greenhoff (shocking decision at the time), Mars Bars are smaller? FFS! Simple issue is, we have shit-shopped at Lidl and Cee n Cee; we have a disjointed, bloated squad; we have had a sequence of managers who have added misfit, gutless players who have no pride, who in no way shape or form identify with the club, the city, or the fans. We have to endure, gut wrenching, false platitudes from so-called professional players. We have blindly, stumbled into the perfect storm of misfit players, with no desire, plenty of grubby cash, and a shocking couldn’t give a fucking toss what happens to this club of ours. Like it or lump it, our eggs are in the MON basket and what do we get? 4 grantedly unconvincing results and the guys a goner, clueless, the end of the world is nigh, even Wrights pies have been replaced by those pastry bags full of cold mulched sick! Simple fact is MON didn’t buy these God-foresaken jokes of spineless footballers. He is about to have a transfer window and he has a chance to raise cash via some so-called good players who have consistently shown they are fragile, clueless, inept, wasters. They have bestowed 7 home defeats on us, capitulated, at virtually every opportunity, They have let us down. Judge MON on the facts. We at least have 6 points from 4 games - at the moment a ratio that we would have begged for over the last 12 months. Absolutely no guarantee we will get out of this, but I think MON is a fighter. So, let’s not act like jelly-legged, snow flakes. As fans, we have to demonstrate that the worse it gets, the more determined we demonstrate our conviction to back them - and expect of them. If we need a fire-sale of some kind, bring it on. Get rid of the cancers and rebuild. Else, oblivion. But we are not there yet! The Bet365 is still crap.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 2, 2019 17:56:50 GMT
The best shithole that I have ever been in. Thats because we've got so many happy memories there. It's rose tinted glasses talking. I wonder how many away fans used to walk away from the Vic after their visit to that cramped little paddock in the Stoke end thinking they've been to a good stadium? Who gives a fuck about the away fans. Its meant to be horrible for them. How many horrible aways have we ensured? Everton, man ure, liverpool, chelski all shite.
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Post by Absolution on Dec 2, 2019 18:25:25 GMT
Fill the other three corners in. How many corners do you think we've got? 🤔
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Post by backintheday on Dec 2, 2019 18:57:36 GMT
You are fuckin joking, we can’t even buy a left back...!!! Feckin priceless
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Post by backintheday on Dec 2, 2019 19:01:54 GMT
This deserves a thread of its own. Well said that man. Positive, fightibg spirit, bring it on.Best post I have ever read absolutely bang on
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 2, 2019 19:12:49 GMT
Fill the other three corners in. How many corners do you think we've got? 🤔 There's usually 4 corners to a square or an oblong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 19:14:43 GMT
How many corners do you think we've got? 🤔 There's usually 4 corners to a square or an oblong. rectangle
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 2, 2019 19:15:49 GMT
There's usually 4 corners to a square or an oblong. rectangle Well spotted.
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Post by rawli on Dec 2, 2019 19:45:19 GMT
Thats because we've got so many happy memories there. It's rose tinted glasses talking. I wonder how many away fans used to walk away from the Vic after their visit to that cramped little paddock in the Stoke end thinking they've been to a good stadium? Who gives a fuck about the away fans. Its meant to be horrible for them. How many horrible aways have we ensured? Everton, man ure, liverpool, chelski all shite. Agree. I wouldn't even give them a roof
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 2, 2019 20:51:44 GMT
Be playing on Normacot Reck the way we going 😎 Local for me. 👍😉 Had many a good game on that pitch when I was younger 👌
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Post by sd22 on Dec 2, 2019 21:02:40 GMT
Move the tunnel is all I ask. Unfortunately I was under 1 years old when we moved from the vic, and have heard countless stories re the atmosphere, but in my life I have seen the Brit rocking.
The parking is shite though!!
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Post by Absolution on Dec 2, 2019 21:54:47 GMT
How many corners do you think we've got? 🤔 There's usually 4 corners to a square or an oblong. And two of them are already filled in. So how are you going to find three more to fill in?
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 2, 2019 22:38:21 GMT
There's usually 4 corners to a square or an oblong. And two of them are already filled in. So how are you going to find three more to fill in? Forward-thinking owners would find a way. As long as Scholes is here though, we'll never have a fifth corner. Fucking wank Stoke.
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Post by samba :) on Dec 2, 2019 22:57:50 GMT
Its only been shit since its name was changed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 23:24:14 GMT
And two of them are already filled in. So how are you going to find three more to fill in? Forward-thinking owners would find a way. As long as Scholes is here though, we'll never have a fifth corner. Fucking wank Stoke. It was obvious to everyone that an octaganol shape was the way forwards when the Bet365 was constructed. Did the owners listen? Did they fuck.
MON out.
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Post by southernish on Dec 3, 2019 22:15:35 GMT
The only thing I'd change is the name. Get rid of the Bet365 bit and bring it back to The Britannia. "The Brit" has more of a ring to it than "Bet365 Stadium".
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 4, 2019 2:30:16 GMT
Had some great times at the Brit. Some of the best times.
Just seems soulless now because we’ve dropped like a stone down the leagues and watching players with a tenth of the ability wearing the shirt.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 4, 2019 7:54:02 GMT
Well, we’ve reached the abject, stinking pits now, haven’t we. Blaming the ground, blaming the move, blaming the atmosphere. What next? Should never have sold Greenhoff (shocking decision at the time), Mars Bars are smaller? FFS! Simple issue is, we have shit-shopped at Lidl and Cee n Cee; we have a disjointed, bloated squad; we have had a sequence of managers who have added misfit, gutless players who have no pride, who in no way shape or form identify with the club, the city, or the fans. We have to endure, gut wrenching, false platitudes from so-called professional players. We have blindly, stumbled into the perfect storm of misfit players, with no desire, plenty of grubby cash, and a shocking couldn’t give a fucking toss what happens to this club of ours. Like it or lump it, our eggs are in the MON basket and what do we get? 4 grantedly unconvincing results and the guys a goner, clueless, the end of the world is nigh, even Wrights pies have been replaced by those pastry bags full of cold mulched sick! Simple fact is MON didn’t buy these God-foresaken jokes of spineless footballers. He is about to have a transfer window and he has a chance to raise cash via some so-called good players who have consistently shown they are fragile, clueless, inept, wasters. They have bestowed 7 home defeats on us, capitulated, at virtually every opportunity, They have let us down. Judge MON on the facts. We at least have 6 points from 4 games - at the moment a ratio that we would have begged for over the last 12 months. Absolutely no guarantee we will get out of this, but I think MON is a fighter. So, let’s not act like jelly-legged, snow flakes. As fans, we have to demonstrate that the worse it gets, the more determined we demonstrate our conviction to back them - and expect of them. If we need a fire-sale of some kind, bring it on. Get rid of the cancers and rebuild. Else, oblivion. But we are not there yet! The Bet365 is still crap. One of the main reasons is, it’s full of snow flakes.
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Post by Gods on Dec 4, 2019 8:13:13 GMT
Not sure what's going on with the food outlets, I doubt the Stoke section of the South Stand or whatever it's called now, was even half full yet they were creaking at half time, and it's not like there was a sudden rush, many people headed down there after about 30 minutes of the first half.
As for atmosphere, the trouble is it's way too big for us now, like a jacket 3 sizes too large.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 4, 2019 8:43:37 GMT
Move the tunnel is all I ask. Unfortunately I was under 1 years old when we moved from the vic, and have heard countless stories re the atmosphere, but in my life I have seen the Brit rocking. The parking is shite though!! If we move the other end of the tunnel to the Liverpool dressing room, then we might have a chance of staying up.
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Post by estima1972 on Dec 4, 2019 9:54:20 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I loved The Vic and am not keen on Bet365. However, we are where we are and it's about managing our expectations. Years ago, we went "to the match". These days, everyone wants to have a "matchday experience". Many events are over-hyped by sticking the word "experience" at the end. That falsely raises expectations and the price. At the end of the day, the "experience" we watch now is akin to the early days at the Brit, languishing towards third tier football with a group of players who can largely be described as mediocre. What I paid for a season ticket back in 1992 is worth about £230 in today's economy. It's over double that now and you'll never get the atmosphere that the Vic created. And as an "experience", it is no better an experience than it was back in the early 90's. I personally find it more sterile.
Another thing that has become the norm these days is people bandying the word "passionate" about the place. Used in job interviews by people who have just graduated to try and show enthusiasm. Passionate used to mean "having an uncontrollable urge to act upon something". These days it's about making people seem more engaged in something that they really are by its application to any given scenario. Once again, expectations are beyond reality. I moved away in 2001 so my attendances have only ever been sporadic and limited to five or six times a season. But on every occasion, I have found the atmosphere to be embarrassing. So much so that I have songs from the away fans asking where our famous atmosphere is and about it being a library.
To get back to the original idea, we don't need to knock down and start again. We need to accept that we are never going to be regulars in the top flight, we'll have our troubles and struggles and we'll have our glory too. Because that glory is so infrequent, the taste of success is so much sweeter when it arrives. Imagine living somewhere, brought up there, and, like here in Newport, being a Liverpool or Man Utd fan. You have no affiliation with the area those clubs resides in and no pride or contribution in the area. You don't even attend matches but you talk about the club in terms of "we" like watching on TV makes you some part of the success. We are not of that ilk. We support Stoke through thick and thin and have a relegation battle on our hands. So be done with your notions of bulldozing the ground and show the new manager some support.
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Post by kentpotter on Dec 4, 2019 10:23:17 GMT
Older grounds like the Vic developed over many years, hence the sometimes lopsided quaintness, as opposed to the bland, uniformed, off-the-shelf 'Meccano' stadiums of today.
The Vic wasn't shit, but it was allowed to become dishevelled when a little bit of thought and money from somewhere could have kept us in our spiritual home.
And please don't tell me that if a tunnel linking Britain and France is possible that a little subsidence at the Butler Street/Boothen End corner of the ground couldn't have been sorted?
Although I only went to the Vic between 1976 and it's closure, I miss it, its surroundings and atmosphere. I've never taken to the Brit/365 and much prefer Stoke away if I can manage it these days.
Now, about this current shambles of a situation...……?
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 4, 2019 12:03:00 GMT
We should knock it down and rebuild The Vic in exactly the same place as it was (fuck those people who've bought new houses on the site), and build it out of exactly the same materials (the more asbestos, the better).
We should also exhume and somehow reanimate Sir Stan and John Ritchie etc and make all existing players take to the field in hobnail boots. The old coat of arms badge should be reinstated too.
Nobody will be allowed in unless they're smoking a woodbine upon passing through the turnstiles either.
That'll definitely fix everything, and if it doesn't we'll just knock that down and rebuild Sweetings Field (and exhume and reanimate Dickie Roose, nobody will be allowed in unless they've got rickets etc).
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