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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 30, 2019 18:59:44 GMT
It needs fucking ripping up immediately.
The worst player in the entire squad, and that’s saying something.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 30, 2019 19:00:26 GMT
Do you genuinely believed he wanted to win those headers? They were dreadful because he didn't want it. The shots, puts it wide when it's easier to hit the target and for the other puts it straight into the keepers path. Both and the free header should have yielded more. Tackles... Genuinely didn't see him win anything, must have missed those. I have to agree with Byern, in the first half he seemed like the only player to give a shit, not his best game etc but out of what we had on the pitch he was one of the better ones. I'm at a 5/10 with him.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 30, 2019 19:02:50 GMT
Do you genuinely believed he wanted to win those headers? They were dreadful because he didn't want it. The shots, puts it wide when it's easier to hit the target and for the other puts it straight into the keepers path. Both and the free header should have yielded more. Tackles... Genuinely didn't see him win anything, must have missed those. I have to agree with Byern, in the first half he seemed like the only player to give a shit, not his best game etc but out of what we had on the pitch he was one of the better ones. Fair enough, different views, the beauty of football. Sounded like the crowd was happy with what I felt was a long over due substitution.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 19:04:35 GMT
I have to agree with Byern, in the first half he seemed like the only player to give a shit, not his best game etc but out of what we had on the pitch he was one of the better ones. Fair enough, different views, the beauty of football. Sounded like the crowd was happy with what I felt was a long over due substitution. I put that down to the 4th official finally getting the sub right.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 30, 2019 19:05:12 GMT
Absolutely shit. No other words for him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 30, 2019 19:05:36 GMT
I have to agree with Byern, in the first half he seemed like the only player to give a shit, not his best game etc but out of what we had on the pitch he was one of the better ones. I'm at a 5/10 with him. Yeh thats probably about right, shows exactly why we lost the game if he was one of the best.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 30, 2019 20:14:08 GMT
And yet successive managers seem to love him. Inexplicable He had a good international game once..... Of course, I forgot. He's the Welsh Xavi isn't he?
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Post by stuammo on Nov 30, 2019 20:22:56 GMT
Does nothing......well.....runs around. That’s it. 🐔🔫
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 1, 2019 1:02:26 GMT
Really hope a bid comes in for him above £8M and he must be gone! Do you really think that is the money required to see the sale as a success? He's bottom of the CMs for me. Maybe more hope than reality, but he allways looks great for Wales!
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 1, 2019 1:09:40 GMT
Tell me you are kidding FFS!!!! No not kidding Who was the sponsor?....his Mum?
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Dec 1, 2019 1:23:14 GMT
At one point today I thought he was getting subbed but he was just running over to the dugout.
Got me thinking, has he ever been subbed as a Stoke player?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 1, 2019 2:57:01 GMT
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Post by skip on Dec 1, 2019 3:02:40 GMT
There is 100% definitely something fishy / stupid / catastrophically Scholes-esque about Allen's contract. There is no other way on Earth that Springer Spaniel in a human costume would continually start for Stoke yet find it completely outside of his wit and skill to do anything remotely game changing. How Wales fans love him is beyond me. He is fucking hopeless.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 1, 2019 20:01:26 GMT
i've long suspected this. naturally it gets shouted down, but i genuinely cannot think of any other reason as to why he is played in every game. He is a professional, there is no bad attitude, and he appears concise and polite in the media. However, someone on here said it's like passing to a trampoline, and that is absolute spot on. As day follows night, his first touch is awful, his second touch is always a tackle/tussle with someone on the opposing side, where he invariably ends up on the floor. Every single time. Since we signed him, he's displaced and unbalanced the rest of the midfield and we have regressed enormously. If the opportunity is there to sell, we should, as a club, jump at the chance. Post of the week.
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Post by tejstokie on Dec 2, 2019 2:59:49 GMT
From European player of the year to fucking shitbags. What a fall from grace. How this lurch is milking this club over these last two seasons and no matter the situation constantly gets selected by several managers in absolute turgid form, week after week is stuff of borderline conspiracy, or board level infatuation. Boggles the mind really. Patient zero of the rot if you ask me. How to kill a midfield, "the Joe Allen story at Stoke."
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Dec 2, 2019 8:20:50 GMT
It was more than a rumour about his and Butlands contracts. When they agreed to stay with us after relegation they both had these clauses put in AND kept their salary the same.
We all thought it was a great deal at the time, but just think about that now. We could have sold both Allen and Butland at the time and saved ourselves millions in wages and their continual incompetence in the team.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing eh
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Post by greenman on Dec 2, 2019 8:39:45 GMT
I think it is far harder for internationals to play in the championship than it is in the premier league because of all the extra games. Therefore in my opinion we should sell all our international players as soon as possible.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 2, 2019 9:43:24 GMT
It was more than a rumour about his and Butlands contracts. When they agreed to stay with us after relegation they both had these clauses put in AND kept their salary the same. We all thought it was a great deal at the time, but just think about that now. We could have sold both Allen and Butland at the time and saved ourselves millions in wages and their continual incompetence in the team. Hindsight is a wonderful thing eh Allen somehow looks even worse at this level.
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 2, 2019 10:36:39 GMT
Only him and McLean put a shift in today. He is the highest paid player in the division - He should be held to a higher standard than just ‘he put a shift in’. He isn’t fit the lace Bradley Dack’s boots. The same goes for the rest of the retards in our squad.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 2, 2019 11:02:13 GMT
It was more than a rumour about his and Butlands contracts. When they agreed to stay with us after relegation they both had these clauses put in AND kept their salary the same. We all thought it was a great deal at the time, but just think about that now. We could have sold both Allen and Butland at the time and saved ourselves millions in wages and their continual incompetence in the team. Hindsight is a wonderful thing eh It isn't hindsight. Bayern and others suggested it.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Dec 2, 2019 12:24:33 GMT
Only him and McLean put a shift in today. He is the highest paid player in the division - He should be held to a higher standard than just ‘he put a shift in’. He isn’t fit the lace Bradley Dack’s boots. The same goes for the rest of the retards in our squad. Obviously they should do more than putting a shift in but that wasn't my point was it?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 2, 2019 12:26:04 GMT
It was more than a rumour about his and Butlands contracts. When they agreed to stay with us after relegation they both had these clauses put in AND kept their salary the same. We all thought it was a great deal at the time, but just think about that now. We could have sold both Allen and Butland at the time and saved ourselves millions in wages and their continual incompetence in the team. Hindsight is a wonderful thing eh Many people said that was a dumb and extremely risky thing to do in fairness. A lot were massive advocates of axing virtually the entire PL squad.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 12:30:24 GMT
Allen’s whole career consists of he had one good season at Swansea. Full stop.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 2, 2019 12:31:23 GMT
Allen’s whole career consists of he had one good season at Swansea. Full stop. Sadly it also consists of his very good Euro 2016....which turned Leslie's head in the first place. International tournaments are a TERRIBLE way to scout and assess players.
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Post by LankyPotter on Dec 2, 2019 13:13:08 GMT
He is the highest paid player in the division - He should be held to a higher standard than just ‘he put a shift in’. He isn’t fit the lace Bradley Dack’s boots. The same goes for the rest of the retards in our squad. Obviously they should do more than putting a shift in but that wasn't my point was it? I wasn’t arguing your point, its valid I was just expanding it to say what i thought.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2019 13:20:31 GMT
It was more than a rumour about his and Butlands contracts. When they agreed to stay with us after relegation they both had these clauses put in AND kept their salary the same. We all thought it was a great deal at the time, but just think about that now. We could have sold both Allen and Butland at the time and saved ourselves millions in wages and their continual incompetence in the team. Hindsight is a wonderful thing eh It isn't hindsight. Bayern and others suggested it. Even without my dislike of the pair of them, some keeping PL money, whilst most didn't is just a stupid, divisory tactic. It's like taking the win bonus away. Who in God's name thought that was a good idea?
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Post by thehoof on Dec 2, 2019 13:34:12 GMT
It's the same midfield that impressed at Barnsley. Playing Vokes as a lone striker and expecting Ince to be a chalk on boots winger was what baffled me.
And in that Woods was bossed as a DM. Ridiculous that he’s carried on playing him there after the Wigan game. Ince was our best player I thought. By best 5/10. Based on what Bayern -the fact that he chased back twice, treated us to a mishit shot that the goalie made a meal of, or his thunderbolt that like most his other efforts, wasn’t even on target? Perhaps it was the way he failed to put in one meaningful cross again, or it maybe the way he continually danced around his fullback. It was another game in which his biggest contribution was to get substituted. You don’t like Allen , fair enough, but he’s contributed at least the same as Ince to goals and assists- and one of them is supposed to be a difference maker.
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Post by pez75 on Dec 2, 2019 13:45:16 GMT
Despite the haters the truth is Joe was our best player on Saturday. Now if you lot are right and he really is shit then we are totally fucked.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 2, 2019 13:48:30 GMT
Despite the haters the truth is Joe was our best player on Saturday. Now if you lot are right and he really is shit then we are totally fucked. Surely the trend with him in the side as a key player sort of bears out the fact he might not actually be very good? Even if he is “the best of a bad bunch” (which I don’t believe anyway). And his Saturday performance isn’t justifiable with the wages he is on. That latter point applies to a lot of our players though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 2, 2019 14:02:23 GMT
And in that Woods was bossed as a DM. Ridiculous that he’s carried on playing him there after the Wigan game. Ince was our best player I thought. By best 5/10. Based on what Bayern -the fact that he chased back twice, treated us to a mishit shot that the goalie made a meal of, or his thunderbolt that like most his other efforts, wasn’t even on target? Perhaps it was the way he failed to put in one meaningful cross again, or it maybe the way he continually danced around his fullback. It was another game in which his biggest contribution was to get substituted. You don’t like Allen , fair enough, but he’s contributed at least the same as Ince to goals and assists- and one of them is supposed to be a difference maker. They're both meant to be. Neither are performing at the minute but still I thought Ince was our best player on Saturday. He tried to attack and get at them and that was more than most.
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