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Post by DC1863 on Nov 27, 2019 13:19:58 GMT
I can see why O'Neill would look to buy a striker in January. None of our forwards suit how I think he wants to play. Work the channels and also have a goal threat. I can see from the clips( I know they can be deceiving) but the lad from Aberdeen seems very much a fit for O'Neill's style. Can see it happening. Makes me wonder what MON's plan for Afobe are.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 27, 2019 13:25:02 GMT
At least old donkey Dave was getting into positions to waste chances. And he only cost us about £150k
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 27, 2019 13:30:39 GMT
The first iffy substitutions last night. Why did Hogan and Vokes get on before Diouf after Saturday's winner?
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 27, 2019 18:45:53 GMT
Perhaps Diouf being pencilled in to start Saturday?
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Post by hyaduck on Nov 28, 2019 1:47:12 GMT
The first iffy substitutions last night. Why did Hogan and Vokes get on before Diouf after Saturday's winner? Because Diouf's wank
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Post by sensiblestokie on Nov 28, 2019 1:54:57 GMT
Thought it at the time, complete waste of money and anyone could see that he’s not what we need at all. I’m not sure any team at this level would play him to be honest.
After seeing him play for us, only reinstates this assumption ten fold.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 28, 2019 7:24:56 GMT
I've said it before, 'he needs to be fed with crosses!' one of the biggest problems against Cardiff was that we seemed unwilling to cross the ball at all! I don't know how many times CCV played it backwards instead of crossing the ball on Tuesday, but it certainly was an awful lot! If we don't play to players strengths there is no use playing them at all. Vokes also needs movement around him to be effective, but on Tuesday night we were really dire going forward!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 28, 2019 7:53:53 GMT
I've said it before, 'he needs to be fed with crosses!' one of the biggest problems against Cardiff was that we seemed unwilling to cross the ball at all! I don't know how many times CCV played it backwards instead of crossing the ball on Tuesday, but it certainly was an awful lot! If we don't play to players strengths there is no use playing them at all. Vokes also needs movement around him to be effective, but on Tuesday night we were really dire going forward! Can you muster any defence for Hogan? He wasnt on long but hes crap as well
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 28, 2019 9:35:34 GMT
The first iffy substitutions last night. Why did Hogan and Vokes get on before Diouf after Saturday's winner? Because Diouf's wank Yes and Vokes is on fire!
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 28, 2019 10:54:27 GMT
I've said it before, 'he needs to be fed with crosses!' one of the biggest problems against Cardiff was that we seemed unwilling to cross the ball at all! I don't know how many times CCV played it backwards instead of crossing the ball on Tuesday, but it certainly was an awful lot! If we don't play to players strengths there is no use playing them at all. Vokes also needs movement around him to be effective, but on Tuesday night we were really dire going forward! Can you muster any defence for Hogan? He wasnt on long but hes crap as well I think it's hard to assess Hogan because he has had so little playing time. His goalscoring ratio isn't too bad compared to minutes though I believe. Think I still would try to send all our loan players back if possible. Hopefully we will be able to get rid of 5-6 other players as well in January! We must bring in a new left back and also recall Verlinden of course! I also wonder why Etebo never is tried out on the left side as a winger or left back for that matter? I really believe he could do a very good job there.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Nov 28, 2019 15:12:49 GMT
Vokes really is one of the worst signings we’ve had in my lifetime.
You’ve got to question the people sanctioning £9m deals for players like this. Even in his peak years he wasn’t worth that. What a terrible deal for us.
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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 28, 2019 15:16:06 GMT
Couldn’t understand the signing at the time and he’s done nothing to alter that opinion
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 28, 2019 15:21:36 GMT
Can you muster any defence for Hogan? He wasnt on long but hes crap as well I think it's hard to assess Hogan because he has had so little playing time. His goalscoring ratio isn't too bad compared to minutes though I believe. Think I still would try to send all our loan players back if possible. Hopefully we will be able to get rid of 5-6 other players as well in January! We must bring in a new left back and also recall Verlinden of course! I also wonder why Etebo never is tried out on the left side as a winger or left back for that matter? I really believe he could do a very good job there. Etebo isn't left footed, albeit he's not uncomfortable on the left side of midfield if needs must. He's also not a bloody left winger. Good luck sending the loan players back AND getting rid of 5-6 others! What parallel universe do you live in where this has any chance of happening? For me, the best we could expect is to send back Hogan and CCV (although the latter hasn't done badly) and bring back Verlinden and draft in a left back on loan as buying one may prove risky in January after the messes we've made the last few windows.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 28, 2019 15:35:57 GMT
I think it's hard to assess Hogan because he has had so little playing time. His goalscoring ratio isn't too bad compared to minutes though I believe. Think I still would try to send all our loan players back if possible. Hopefully we will be able to get rid of 5-6 other players as well in January! We must bring in a new left back and also recall Verlinden of course! I also wonder why Etebo never is tried out on the left side as a winger or left back for that matter? I really believe he could do a very good job there. Etebo isn't left footed, albeit he's not uncomfortable on the left side of midfield if needs must. He's also not a bloody left winger. Good luck sending the loan players back AND getting rid of 5-6 others! What parallel universe do you live in where this has any chance of happening? For me, the best we could expect is to send back Hogan and CCV (although the latter hasn't done badly) and bring back Verlinden and draft in a left back on loan as buying one may prove risky in January after the messes we've made the last few windows. Etebo has got the pace to play there and I've seen him cut in from the left several times with success. You don't have to be left footed to play on the left if your left foot is decent enough. Arnie was right footed as well, but probably our most successful left winger/midfielder for the last 30 years. When our squad is as big as it is we need to look for options within the squad too. I will actually say Etebo is much more suited as a winger than Clucas is, and he was played there against Cardiff. Yoy seem a very pessimistic guy, don't you think both the loan players and the clubs want to see them play? Do you really think it's impossible to get rid of 5-6 of our players? Time will tell, but we might count the numbers after the window. This will also make space for a couple of needed additions too. Hopefully a decent left back with pace first of all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 16:44:07 GMT
I've said it before, 'he needs to be fed with crosses!' one of the biggest problems against Cardiff was that we seemed unwilling to cross the ball at all! I don't know how many times CCV played it backwards instead of crossing the ball on Tuesday, but it certainly was an awful lot! If we don't play to players strengths there is no use playing them at all. Vokes also needs movement around him to be effective, but on Tuesday night we were really dire going forward! Can you muster any defence for Hogan? He wasnt on long but hes crap as well He's our joint 2nd topscorer, with Vokes and Gregory; he has a better goal per played minute ratio than Gregory, but is behind Vokes.
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Post by neilb987 on Nov 28, 2019 20:09:33 GMT
Reminds me more of Keith Scott really. No effort, immobile and can't jump.
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Post by spiderpuss on Nov 28, 2019 22:39:35 GMT
Its Bertie Vokes in a fat blokes suit.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 29, 2019 10:06:32 GMT
Etebo isn't left footed, albeit he's not uncomfortable on the left side of midfield if needs must. He's also not a bloody left winger. Good luck sending the loan players back AND getting rid of 5-6 others! What parallel universe do you live in where this has any chance of happening? For me, the best we could expect is to send back Hogan and CCV (although the latter hasn't done badly) and bring back Verlinden and draft in a left back on loan as buying one may prove risky in January after the messes we've made the last few windows. Etebo has got the pace to play there and I've seen him cut in from the left several times with success. You don't have to be left footed to play on the left if your left foot is decent enough. Arnie was right footed as well, but probably our most successful left winger/midfielder for the last 30 years. When our squad is as big as it is we need to look for options within the squad too. I will actually say Etebo is much more suited as a winger than Clucas is, and he was played there against Cardiff. Yoy seem a very pessimistic guy, don't you think both the loan players and the clubs want to see them play? Do you really think it's impossible to get rid of 5-6 of our players? Time will tell, but we might count the numbers after the window. This will also make space for a couple of needed additions too. Hopefully a decent left back with pace first of all. Best left winger for 30 years? Beagarie/Hoestra and Etherington all played left wing and were pretty good if my memory serves.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 29, 2019 12:21:50 GMT
Etebo isn't left footed, albeit he's not uncomfortable on the left side of midfield if needs must. He's also not a bloody left winger. Good luck sending the loan players back AND getting rid of 5-6 others! What parallel universe do you live in where this has any chance of happening? For me, the best we could expect is to send back Hogan and CCV (although the latter hasn't done badly) and bring back Verlinden and draft in a left back on loan as buying one may prove risky in January after the messes we've made the last few windows. Etebo has got the pace to play there and I've seen him cut in from the left several times with success. You don't have to be left footed to play on the left if your left foot is decent enough. Arnie was right footed as well, but probably our most successful left winger/midfielder for the last 30 years. When our squad is as big as it is we need to look for options within the squad too. I will actually say Etebo is much more suited as a winger than Clucas is, and he was played there against Cardiff. Yoy seem a very pessimistic guy, don't you think both the loan players and the clubs want to see them play? Do you really think it's impossible to get rid of 5-6 of our players? Time will tell, but we might count the numbers after the window. This will also make space for a couple of needed additions too. Hopefully a decent left back with pace first of all. Pessimist Rob? I'm a realist, but happy to catch up in January to see if your dreams come true
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Post by AlliG on Nov 29, 2019 12:35:12 GMT
I can see why O'Neill would look to buy a striker in January. None of our forwards suit how I think he wants to play. Work the channels and also have a goal threat. I can see from the clips( I know they can be deceiving) but the lad from Aberdeen seems very much a fit for O'Neill's style. Can see it happening. Makes me wonder what MON's plan for Afobe are. As he is out injured until at least the start of next season I wouldn't have thought he has any.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Nov 29, 2019 13:06:11 GMT
£ for lb I think he was quite cheap, a bit like Wimmer.....
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 29, 2019 15:15:59 GMT
Etebo has got the pace to play there and I've seen him cut in from the left several times with success. You don't have to be left footed to play on the left if your left foot is decent enough. Arnie was right footed as well, but probably our most successful left winger/midfielder for the last 30 years. When our squad is as big as it is we need to look for options within the squad too. I will actually say Etebo is much more suited as a winger than Clucas is, and he was played there against Cardiff. Yoy seem a very pessimistic guy, don't you think both the loan players and the clubs want to see them play? Do you really think it's impossible to get rid of 5-6 of our players? Time will tell, but we might count the numbers after the window. This will also make space for a couple of needed additions too. Hopefully a decent left back with pace first of all. Best left winger for 30 years? Beagarie/Hoestra and Etherington all played left wing and were pretty good if my memory serves. ....and not any of those 3 as good as Arnie in my opinion. Etherington the closest of the 3 during their time at Stoke, but all good players though. Hoekstra was probably past his prime as a player when he came to Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 20:25:26 GMT
Etebo isn't left footed, albeit he's not uncomfortable on the left side of midfield if needs must. He's also not a bloody left winger. Good luck sending the loan players back AND getting rid of 5-6 others! What parallel universe do you live in where this has any chance of happening? For me, the best we could expect is to send back Hogan and CCV (although the latter hasn't done badly) and bring back Verlinden and draft in a left back on loan as buying one may prove risky in January after the messes we've made the last few windows. Etebo has got the pace to play there and I've seen him cut in from the left several times with success. You don't have to be left footed to play on the left if your left foot is decent enough. Arnie was right footed as well, but probably our most successful left winger/midfielder for the last 30 years. When our squad is as big as it is we need to look for options within the squad too. I will actually say Etebo is much more suited as a winger than Clucas is, and he was played there against Cardiff. Yoy seem a very pessimistic guy, don't you think both the loan players and the clubs want to see them play? Do you really think it's impossible to get rid of 5-6 of our players? Time will tell, but we might count the numbers after the window. This will also make space for a couple of needed additions too. Hopefully a decent left back with pace first of all. Since it's been near impossible to get rid of the 5-6 most obvious ones as well as nearly everybody else in the last at least five transfer windows, what makes you think we could suddenly sell Imbula, Wimmer et al now?
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 29, 2019 21:25:55 GMT
Etebo has got the pace to play there and I've seen him cut in from the left several times with success. You don't have to be left footed to play on the left if your left foot is decent enough. Arnie was right footed as well, but probably our most successful left winger/midfielder for the last 30 years. When our squad is as big as it is we need to look for options within the squad too. I will actually say Etebo is much more suited as a winger than Clucas is, and he was played there against Cardiff. Yoy seem a very pessimistic guy, don't you think both the loan players and the clubs want to see them play? Do you really think it's impossible to get rid of 5-6 of our players? Time will tell, but we might count the numbers after the window. This will also make space for a couple of needed additions too. Hopefully a decent left back with pace first of all. Since it's been near impossible to get rid of the 5-6 most obvious ones as well as nearly everybody else in the last at least five transfer windows, what makes you think we could suddenly sell Imbula, Wimmer et al now? I don't think anybody would take Imbula and Wimmer unless they accept moving somewhere without getting any compensation from Stoke for wages. On the other hand I can see clubs coming in for Butland, Badou, Etebo, Allen, Diouf, Smith, Davies, Campbell, Woods, Indi or someone else. Time will tell, but it's all about what we would want for these players or maybe loans. I guess players like Davies and Campbell will be better off with gametime somewhere else as things stand.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 30, 2019 0:01:35 GMT
The first iffy substitutions last night. Why did Hogan and Vokes get on before Diouf after Saturday's winner? Because Diouf's wank Bore off. Who would be your choice then? After coming on and scoring the winner against Wigan, what has Diouf done this season that is so wank compared to our other strikers to not consider playing him? Interested to know if you have any reasonable argument or is it because for whatever reason you just have a disliking towards Diouf?
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Post by march4 on Nov 30, 2019 0:10:46 GMT
Only Mike Bassett would consider Vokes and Hogan better options than Diouf.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Nov 30, 2019 0:20:40 GMT
Only Mike Bassett would consider Vokes and Hogan better options than Diouf. The only reason I'd say MON thought it best to not involve Diouf against Cardiff would be his lack of game time which is fair enough. MON is our manager though now probably best you get over it not being Pulis sooner rather than later 👍
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 30, 2019 1:01:45 GMT
Only Mike Bassett would consider Vokes and Hogan better options than Diouf. All three options are poor. Don’t let Dioufs winner on Saturday become a stick to beat the new manager with. He’s garbage and always has been.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 7:53:49 GMT
Since it's been near impossible to get rid of the 5-6 most obvious ones as well as nearly everybody else in the last at least five transfer windows, what makes you think we could suddenly sell Imbula, Wimmer et al now? I don't think anybody would take Imbula and Wimmer unless they accept moving somewhere without getting any compensation from Stoke for wages. On the other hand I can see clubs coming in for Butland, Badou, Etebo, Allen, Diouf, Smith, Davies, Campbell, Woods, Indi or someone else. Time will tell, but it's all about what we would want for these players or maybe loans. I guess players like Davies and Campbell will be better off with gametime somewhere else as things stand. Butland, Badou, Etebo, Indi were all expected to leave in the summer and they didn't, why do you think that is? Davies was available on a free, so why would anyone pay now for a goalie who allegedly is not good enough to play for a bottom three team? Diouf and Campbell will be available on frees in the summer so why would anyone buy them now?
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Post by wilcopotter on Nov 30, 2019 8:37:12 GMT
I actually think in Vokes there is a decent player in there somewhere. Scored goals at Wolves in the Championship. I think it’s more about what’s gone on at Stoke really. Hopefully, MON will put this right. I think he will, but it will take until next season to seriously improve. Just praying we don’t go down.
I think we have other players who are better than their current form Woods, Baath, Indi.
Not sure about Ince, Diouf though.
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