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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 27, 2019 1:02:23 GMT
He won his first 2 games, he'll learn more from tonight than those He wants balls pumping into the box early, they've been used to 2 managers pussy footing around trying to play possession football. It'll take some work on the training ground and for Verlinden to be recalled to get it working. He knows what he wants and I'm sure the players will be drilled very soon. He did but Woods still showed the defensive frailty in both. Winning doesn’t hide these things. That’s not that hard to coach is it really? And adds more questions about why Woods in the team at all if that’s what you want? I'm happy with Woods in the team to be fair alongside Badou with Powell as no. 10. Clucas at LB. Shawcross and BMI in the middle. New full backs and a rapid winger in Jan.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2019 1:03:04 GMT
Still fit enough to start a game. And tbh he played twice for the Irish u21s during the international break too so he wasn’t that injured was he!? Fit enough to start a game that he got injured in again yes. He’s played 3 games in the last week. 😂he wasn’t injured.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2019 1:04:15 GMT
He did but Woods still showed the defensive frailty in both. Winning doesn’t hide these things. That’s not that hard to coach is it really? And adds more questions about why Woods in the team at all if that’s what you want? I'm happy with Woods in the team to be fair alongside Badou with Powell as no. 10. Clucas at LB. Shawcross and BMI in the middle. New full backs and a rapid winger in Jan. Me too (Woods as the second midfielder) but this wasn’t that. It’s what it needed to be but it wasn’t. Clucas at LB is a waste too.
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Post by tosh on Nov 27, 2019 1:06:39 GMT
Drop a centre half for who? Collins should be playing. Thought Collins went off injured in the recent u 23’s defeat? The manager will have to do his best with a poor bunch of players for quite some time. Some poor performances will have to be expected, but I think he will get it right given time.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2019 1:08:03 GMT
Collins should be playing. Thought Collins went off injured in the recent u 23’s defeat? The manager will have to do his best with a poor bunch of players for quite some time. Some poor performances will have to be expected, but I think he will get it right given time. In a game the day before this one that he shouldn’t have been playing in if he was going to play tonight....
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 27, 2019 1:11:16 GMT
Fit enough to start a game that he got injured in again yes. He’s played 3 games in the last week. 😂he wasn’t injured. And got injured again in the 3rd one, suffering again with a recurring injury that hes struggled with for weeks. Ask the lad himself if you like.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2019 1:11:59 GMT
Collins should be playing. Hes injured and has been carrying an injury for several weeks. He is, however, the only youngster at the club good enough to be playing regularly when fit Why did we let him play 90 minutes on the 14th and 19th for the ROI u21s then play him in a game last night if he was carrying an injury?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2019 1:12:51 GMT
He’s played 3 games in the last week. 😂he wasn’t injured. And got injured again in the 3rd one, suffering again with a recurring injury that hes struggled with for weeks. Ask the lad himself if you like. If he’s carrying an injury why did we let him play?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 27, 2019 1:19:38 GMT
And got injured again in the 3rd one, suffering again with a recurring injury that hes struggled with for weeks. Ask the lad himself if you like. If he’s carrying an injury why did we let him play? Why did bale play for Wales? Perhaps they were games to help him back to full fitness. Who knows. Hes clearly broken down again though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 27, 2019 1:22:09 GMT
If he’s carrying an injury why did we let him play? Why did bale play for Wales? Perhaps they were games to help him back to full fitness. Who knows. Hes clearly broken down again though. So bad management then. Excellent. And has he? Was it the same thing?
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 27, 2019 1:34:11 GMT
Not a happy bunny. “Difficult to take any positives out of the game” He's basically saying our wank backs are sending up aimless forward balls, Ince and CCV hold on to the ball too long instead of sending in crosses, and we had piss poor effort on the goal. I feel like this man has been reading our match thread.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 27, 2019 2:47:08 GMT
Not a happy bunny. “Difficult to take any positives out of the game” He's basically saying our wank backs are sending up aimless forward balls, Ince and CCV hold on to the ball too long instead of sending in crosses, and we had piss poor effort on the goal. I feel like this man has been reading our match thread. He certainly knows what the issues are which is half the battle.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2019 7:45:26 GMT
Not enough time whose fault is that 10 days with NI ? Bonkers or desperate or. Both three games in and players look no better drilled than 4 weeks ago Won two lost one I’d say that’s a bloody good improvement !!!! Lose Saturday and his 4 games match jones last 4 exactly
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Post by jeycov on Nov 27, 2019 9:21:21 GMT
Won two lost one I’d say that’s a bloody good improvement !!!! Lose Saturday and his 4 games match jones last 4 exactly A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 27, 2019 9:59:00 GMT
The good news is that his interview last night showed that he was watching the same game as the fans - and you could not say that about most post match interviews of his predecessor. Giving an after match press conference after you have won is pretty easy - you simply big up the players who contributed most positively to the game. I could do that, no problem, most of us could. The post match interview AFTER YOU HAVE LOST is the one which sorts out the good managers from the bad. In that respect this interview suggests that MoN is well ahead of the man he replaced.
The next thing which separates the good from the average manager is how he reacts to set backs like last night. It is going to take a few matches (winning and losing) before MoN will truly understand all the limitations and the positives offered by his squad. The fact that he appears to be completely honest in his assessment of a defeat suggests he may learn the lessons he needs to learn. Lets hope that the starting eleven and the subs used and performance on Saturday shows that lessons have been learned.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 10:24:36 GMT
He knows exactly what the problems are and he's going to work on them. He sees it as I did which is a massive plus, he'll get it right I'm confident. I hope he does but he’s failed the first one and that’s Woods. Woods should not have been the deep man tonight based on the evidence in the last two games. Woods defensively in the last two games has been an issue yet he plays him there again and again he costs us a goal with poor defensive play. Obviously I have no idea what goes on in training, but I get a sense that O'Neill, like Jones before him, is trying to coach Woods how to do "defensive play", and with little time between Saturday's game and last night's, the game then becomes the playground where Woods' ability gets tested. Furthermore he is bereft with alternatives. Badou, who sees his own role further upfield (and I do too), has been nursing knocks and fatigue from long distance travel. If we're going to try and keep him, we'll have to sweeten him with games where he wants to play, whereas Woods, who's not wanted by anyone, just gets told to do the job. The only other alternative is Cousins, and need I say more?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 10:48:19 GMT
It won't take him long to realise how shit the squad is! P.S. That was dire last night! Not his fault! Shite players!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2019 13:53:02 GMT
Lose Saturday and his 4 games match jones last 4 exactly A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games
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Post by Davef on Nov 27, 2019 15:48:45 GMT
A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games Are you really talking about what's acceptable from a manager who's won 2 of his first 3 games in charge of a struggling, hotch-potch of a team? You get more ridiculous by the day.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 27, 2019 16:30:34 GMT
A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games Six points from his first four games would still it the most successful Stoke City managerial start for six years.
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 27, 2019 17:00:01 GMT
Won two lost one I’d say that’s a bloody good improvement !!!! Lose Saturday and his 4 games match jones last 4 exactly However, he would have to lose 8 and draw 4 of the next 12 games in order to fail to beat Tony Pulis' record in his first 16 games with Stoke. I think we're in no danger of seeing that happen, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 17:02:09 GMT
Won two lost one I’d say that’s a bloody good improvement !!!! Lose Saturday and his 4 games match jones last 4 exactly And what is the importance , exactly, of Jones last four matches? All the rest don't count?
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 27, 2019 17:33:08 GMT
A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games I don't know Benji, why don't you tell us? Please bear in mind that the team had managed only 5 wins in their previous 36 league games and had an average of just over 0.5 points per game this season. What do you think a fair haul from the first 4 games for a new manager would be? Perhaps 2 (using the average points per game so far) or even 4 (doubling that tally)? Perhaps 3 (using Nathan Jones' haul in his first 4 games), 2 (using Rowett's haul in his first 4 games), 5 (Lambert's haul)? For completeness, here are the other managers point hauls in their first 4 games over the last 20 years: Hughes = 7 Boskamp = 7 Cotterill = 4 Thordarson = 4 Megson = 3 Little =12 But I'm guessing you will want to use the GOLD STANDARD - Tony Pulis' amazing 0 points from his first 4 in charge of Stoke? But why stop at 4 games? Perhaps MON should be aiming to beat TP's 3 points from the first 9 games? Please do tell, what should a new Stoke manager be aiming at?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 19:38:25 GMT
A bit unfair, jones’s last 4 games were not typical ( certainly results wise) of his time with us 6 points from 9 albeit against weaker teams in this division is an acceptable return Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games When Jones was sacked, and we didn't appear to have another manager lined up, you could sense the anticipation from the Poolites. They really thought that he was coming back. The betting odds on Poolis started fall.
Oh the disappointment they must have experienced when MON was appointed.
We can now see their reaction. Two wins out of three is simply not acceptable (apparently).
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Post by adi on Nov 27, 2019 20:17:32 GMT
Won two lost one I’d say that’s a bloody good improvement !!!! Lose Saturday and his 4 games match jones last 4 exactly And?? Are we judging new managers on the form over 4 games from the previous incumbent? If you are, is that standard practice?? If so where has it been applied previously? If the answer is no then your point is invalid, or at best very strange.
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Post by adi on Nov 27, 2019 20:19:48 GMT
Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games I don't know Benji, why don't you tell us? Please bear in mind that the team had managed only 5 wins in their previous 36 league games and had an average of just over 0.5 points per game this season. What do you think a fair haul from the first 4 games for a new manager would be? Perhaps 2 (using the average points per game so far) or even 4 (doubling that tally)? Perhaps 3 (using Nathan Jones' haul in his first 4 games), 2 (using Rowett's haul in his first 4 games), 5 (Lambert's haul)? For completeness, here are the other managers point hauls in their first 4 games over the last 20 years: Hughes = 7 Boskamp = 7 Cotterill = 4 Thordarson = 4 Megson = 3 Little =12 But I'm guessing you will want to use the GOLD STANDARD - Tony Pulis' amazing 0 points from his first 4 in charge of Stoke? But why stop at 4 games? Perhaps MON should be aiming to beat TP's 3 points from the first 9 games? Please do tell, what should a new Stoke manager be aiming at? His response will be interesting, when it arrives.
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 27, 2019 21:05:33 GMT
I don't know Benji, why don't you tell us? Please bear in mind that the team had managed only 5 wins in their previous 36 league games and had an average of just over 0.5 points per game this season. What do you think a fair haul from the first 4 games for a new manager would be? Perhaps 2 (using the average points per game so far) or even 4 (doubling that tally)? Perhaps 3 (using Nathan Jones' haul in his first 4 games), 2 (using Rowett's haul in his first 4 games), 5 (Lambert's haul)? For completeness, here are the other managers point hauls in their first 4 games over the last 20 years: Hughes = 7 Boskamp = 7 Cotterill = 4 Thordarson = 4 Megson = 3 Little =12 But I'm guessing you will want to use the GOLD STANDARD - Tony Pulis' amazing 0 points from his first 4 in charge of Stoke? But why stop at 4 games? Perhaps MON should be aiming to beat TP's 3 points from the first 9 games? Please do tell, what should a new Stoke manager be aiming at? His response will be interesting, when it arrives. If! (not when) Don't hold your breath!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:30:26 GMT
I don't know Benji, why don't you tell us? Please bear in mind that the team had managed only 5 wins in their previous 36 league games and had an average of just over 0.5 points per game this season. What do you think a fair haul from the first 4 games for a new manager would be? Perhaps 2 (using the average points per game so far) or even 4 (doubling that tally)? Perhaps 3 (using Nathan Jones' haul in his first 4 games), 2 (using Rowett's haul in his first 4 games), 5 (Lambert's haul)? For completeness, here are the other managers point hauls in their first 4 games over the last 20 years: Hughes = 7 Boskamp = 7 Cotterill = 4 Thordarson = 4 Megson = 3 Little =12 But I'm guessing you will want to use the GOLD STANDARD - Tony Pulis' amazing 0 points from his first 4 in charge of Stoke? But why stop at 4 games? Perhaps MON should be aiming to beat TP's 3 points from the first 9 games? Please do tell, what should a new Stoke manager be aiming at? His response will be interesting, when it arrives. Nevermind Benji's response what about March ! Why wasn't Pulis sacked after 9 games,that record is truly woeful.He'd never get us promoted 😜
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2019 21:53:11 GMT
Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games When Jones was sacked, and we didn't appear to have another manager lined up, you could sense the anticipation from the Poolites. They really thought that he was coming back. The betting odds on Poolis started fall.
Oh the disappointment they must have experienced when MON was appointed.
We can now see their reaction. Two wins out of three is simply not acceptable (apparently).
Come on I’m now Pulis acolyte never have been never will be but equally I’m not blinded by wins over Barnsley and Wigan , first real test we’ve failed and some decisions , Woods , Gregory , subs are cause for concern . i certainly hope he succeeds but it’s a huge risk in my view and was a month ago , but either way he’s the symptom not the root cause
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 27, 2019 21:55:44 GMT
Question is what’s acceptable after 4 games Are you really talking about what's acceptable from a manager who's won 2 of his first 3 games in charge of a struggling, hotch-potch of a team? You get more ridiculous by the day. If you read it I said if we lost on Saturday it would be deflating and no improvement on Jones last 4 games , that’s simply statistical fact , hopefully he beats Blackburn but as of yet I’ve seen as much of concern as optimism
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