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Post by bertiestan on Sept 17, 2020 23:16:47 GMT
Come on bayern your a absolutely clutching here mate I think the defence generally under MON have looked awful. 1.3 goals conceded is still way too many. Changing the system to protect said shit defenders speaks volumes. I don’t think it’s clutching at all. Indeed his actions re the 3 at back show he doesn’t overly trust them himself. Which makes signing one of them even bloody odder. 2 clean sheets in the first 2 competitive games of the season is good enough for me and so it should be for you...last season has been and gone now and we should be looking forward to this season, theres no doubt the defence looks a lot better THIS season under O'Neill bayern.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 17, 2020 23:16:58 GMT
Average of 1.8 conceded under Nath 1.3 under MON That’s still pretty wank isn’t it? 1.32 was the league average. So the correct description would be "That's pretty average isn't it". But you love a bit of hyperbole. Room for improvement let's hope we keep the 4th best attack while we do it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 23:18:18 GMT
I think the defence generally under MON have looked awful. 1.3 goals conceded is still way too many. Changing the system to protect said shit defenders speaks volumes. I don’t think it’s clutching at all. Indeed his actions re the 3 at back show he doesn’t overly trust them himself. Which makes signing one of them even bloody odder. 2 clean sheets in the first 2 competitive games of the season is good enough for me and so it should be for you...last season has been and gone now and we should be looking forward to this season, theres no doubt the defence looks a lot better THIS season under O'Neill bayern. And as I’ve said I think he’s playing a system to protect bad defenders. One he signed. I won’t praise that sorry. They do and the attack look worse so far because of the tactics. We need a balance. We can have that balance.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 23:19:36 GMT
That’s still pretty wank isn’t it? 1.32 was the league average. So the correct description would be "That's pretty average isn't it". But you love a bit of hyperbole. Room for improvement let's hope we keep the 4th best attack while we do it. Average for me is wank. Why accept average? And for where we should be, average isn’t what we need. No I love good defending. Hence why I don’t love Danny Batth and James Chester
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 17, 2020 23:20:37 GMT
Okay okay, let's be fair. MON inherited a sack of shite and came in mid-season, so let's go off his average this season now he's finally got his feet under the table. 0. I’m being very fair. And that’s in a system that in 3 games has produced shite football for 2.5 of them. And is a system designed to protect the centre backs. We don’t have to do that. Only a joke. But yeah I know, you've said a few times about how his decision was down to protecting the CBs. I'm of the opinion (which you've already preempted further up) that it's a manager getting the best results from the squad he has. And it appears to have been a masterstroke so far 👍🏻
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 17, 2020 23:21:07 GMT
Average of 1.8 conceded under Nath 1.3 under MON That’s still pretty wank isn’t it? Including 2 questionable friendlies, the current rate is 0.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 23:22:38 GMT
I’m being very fair. And that’s in a system that in 3 games has produced shite football for 2.5 of them. And is a system designed to protect the centre backs. We don’t have to do that. Only a joke. But yeah I know, you've said a few times about how his decision was down to protecting the CBs. I'm of the opinion (which you've already preempted further up) that it's a manager getting the best results from the squad he has. And it appears to have been a masterstroke so far 👍🏻 But it’s not. It’s hamstringing our best attacking player in Powell and using him way too deep. All to protect a player we should never have signed.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 17, 2020 23:24:28 GMT
1.32 was the league average. So the correct description would be "That's pretty average isn't it". But you love a bit of hyperbole. Room for improvement let's hope we keep the 4th best attack while we do it. Average for me is wank. Why accept average? And for where we should be, average isn’t what we need. No I love good defending. Hence why I don’t love Danny Batth and James Chester I'm not saying you should accept average, just that it is average, by definition. I'm interested at what point wank becomes good though? On a scale of 1 to 10 is it: Very wank Very wank Wank Wank Pretty wank Pretty wank A bit wank A bit wank Meh Amazing amazing oh my gosh amazing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 23:25:37 GMT
Average for me is wank. Why accept average? And for where we should be, average isn’t what we need. No I love good defending. Hence why I don’t love Danny Batth and James Chester I'm not saying you should accept average, just that it is average, by definition. I'm interested at what point wank becomes good though? On a scale of 1 to 10 is it: Very wank Very wank Wank Wank Pretty wank Pretty wank A bit wank A bit wank Meh Amazing amazing oh my gosh amazing When he stops playing Danny Batth and James Chester. 😂 And uses Nick Powell as a number 10.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 17, 2020 23:27:09 GMT
Only a joke. But yeah I know, you've said a few times about how his decision was down to protecting the CBs. I'm of the opinion (which you've already preempted further up) that it's a manager getting the best results from the squad he has. And it appears to have been a masterstroke so far 👍🏻 But it’s not. It’s hamstringing our best attacking player in Powell and using him way too deep. All to protect a player we should never have signed. Defence comes first. Powell played higher up before, and we conceded (much) more goals than we scored. So him being there counts for nothing. He's good, but he ain't 'get you 2-3 goals a game' good. MON has also proven he's adaptable, so Powell will play higher when we're against the right opposition.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 23:34:43 GMT
But it’s not. It’s hamstringing our best attacking player in Powell and using him way too deep. All to protect a player we should never have signed. Defence comes first. Powell played higher up before, and we conceded (much) more goals than we scored. So him being there counts for nothing. He's good, but he ain't 'get you 2-3 goals a game' good. MON has also proven he's adaptable, so Powell will play higher when we're against the right opposition. Balance comes first. Don’t sign one of the defenders that saw you conceding loads. And nonsense. Powell played higher and we scored way more than we have so far. We needed a DM to balance it out and we got that. There was no need to double down. Millwall away is the exact opposition you need someone like him high up the pitch.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 17, 2020 23:43:04 GMT
Defence comes first. Powell played higher up before, and we conceded (much) more goals than we scored. So him being there counts for nothing. He's good, but he ain't 'get you 2-3 goals a game' good. MON has also proven he's adaptable, so Powell will play higher when we're against the right opposition. Balance comes first. Don’t sign one of the defenders that saw you conceding loads. And nonsense. Powell played higher and we scored way more than we have so far. We needed a DM to balance it out and we got that. There was no need to double down. Millwall away is the exact opposition you need someone like him high up the pitch. Nah, defence comes first. Gives you a base to build from, then balance comes into it. We were too inconsistent before - our confidence was up and down. Great when Powell helps us beat a free falling Hull at home; not great when we get dicked 4-0 away at an average Derby. For the first time in years, we're going into games confident we can keep teams out. That is absolutely massive for the entire teams confidence (and fans). And will get us consistent points throughout the season, both home and away. Mikel will allow Powell to push on in some games anyway, and our front 3 and wing-backs have seemingly improved too. So it's likely that our goals will come from across the pitch and not just through Clucas and Powell (which was limiting vs better opposition). And with how we're going, we only need them to get 1 or 2 goals a game, instead of 3-4 👍🏻
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 23:47:45 GMT
Balance comes first. Don’t sign one of the defenders that saw you conceding loads. And nonsense. Powell played higher and we scored way more than we have so far. We needed a DM to balance it out and we got that. There was no need to double down. Millwall away is the exact opposition you need someone like him high up the pitch. Nah, defence comes first. Gives you a base to build from, then balance comes into it. We were too inconsistent before - our confidence was up and down. Great when Powell helps us beat a free falling Hull at home; not great when we get dicked 4-0 away at an average Derby. For the first time in years, we're going into games confident we can keep teams out. That is absolutely massive for the entire teams confidence (and fans). And will get us consistent points throughout the season, both home and away. Mikel will allow Powell to push on in some games anyway, and our front 3 and wing-backs have seemingly improved too. So it's likely that our goals will come from across the pitch and not just through Clucas and Powell (which was limiting vs better opposition). And with how we're going, we only need them to get 1 or 2 goals a game, instead of 3-4 👍🏻 I completely disagree. Balance is the basis of any good football side and it’s what you do to make one. It is the key. And that for me is the issue here, people shat themselves looking at those sort of results at Derby. Shit themselves but then want to keep the bad defenders that allowed for it. I find it really odd. The wing backs against Millwall were way too negative. There is no need for us to be so defensive if we play the correct centre halves. And with Powell so deep that will be a struggle as the .3 goals so far show!
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Post by sifta on Sept 17, 2020 23:49:11 GMT
That’s still pretty wank isn’t it? 1.32 was the league average. So the correct description would be "That's pretty average isn't it". But you love a bit of hyperbole. Room for improvement let's hope we keep the 4th best attack while we do it.
This!!
1.3 points per game is 61 over the season and there were 12 teams worse than us. This is even though MON didn't start with a full pre-season and a considered summer transfer window, but got dropped into the deepest slurry pit imaginable.
I notice its being ignored that under Jones we scored less than 0.9 goals per game, and under MON we scored almost 1.6. An average that would have given us 72 goals over the season, which would have put us 4th only behind Leeds, WBA, and Brentford, again from the worst possible standing start.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 17, 2020 23:52:16 GMT
1.32 was the league average. So the correct description would be "That's pretty average isn't it". But you love a bit of hyperbole. Room for improvement let's hope we keep the 4th best attack while we do it. This!! 1.3 points per game is 61 over the season and there were 12 teams worse than us. This is even though MON didn't start with a full pre-season and a considered summer transfer window, but got dropped into the deepest slurry pit imaginable.
I notice its being ignored that under Jones we scored less than 0.9 goals per game, and under MON we scored almost 1.6. An average that would have given us 72 goals over the season, which would have put us 4th only behind Leeds, WBA, and Brentford, again from the worst possible standing start.
That hasn’t been ignored intentionally. I’d much rather we did that than this boring shite in the league. Indeed it’s part of the reason why I don’t get why he’s shit himself with this new formation. There’s no need to. It needed a new CB (why sign Chester?). A left back (lovely) A DM (lovely). It’s why I find this whole 3 at the back to protect someone you know can’t do it odd.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 17, 2020 23:57:19 GMT
Nah, defence comes first. Gives you a base to build from, then balance comes into it. We were too inconsistent before - our confidence was up and down. Great when Powell helps us beat a free falling Hull at home; not great when we get dicked 4-0 away at an average Derby. For the first time in years, we're going into games confident we can keep teams out. That is absolutely massive for the entire teams confidence (and fans). And will get us consistent points throughout the season, both home and away. Mikel will allow Powell to push on in some games anyway, and our front 3 and wing-backs have seemingly improved too. So it's likely that our goals will come from across the pitch and not just through Clucas and Powell (which was limiting vs better opposition). And with how we're going, we only need them to get 1 or 2 goals a game, instead of 3-4 👍🏻 I completely disagree. Balance is the basis of any good football side and it’s what you do to make one. It is the key. And that for me is the issue here, people shat themselves looking at those sort of results at Derby. Shit themselves but then want to keep the bad defenders that allowed for it. I find it really odd. The wing backs against Millwall were way too negative. There is no need for us to be so defensive if we play the correct centre halves. And with Powell so deep that will be a struggle as the .3 goals so far show! Ask any championship winning manager what comes first, and they will say their side was built on a solid defence. But anyway, it's a give and take isn't it? Push the wingbacks on (or revert to our old formation) and risk losing the game? Keep them tight and 'negative', and get a very good away point? MON clearly doesn't have confidence in any of the defenders to play in a 4 currently. And they themselves probably don't have the confidence either given how that went for the past few years. Having a flexible 5/3 has done wonders. That's the point. Yes we may be asking more of Nick Powell for a bit, but we will adapt in time - and he'll get his chance to dictate things higher up in a lot of games this season still. If we carried on conceding the goals we were doing, we would be in League 1 and it's game over for several years. That, in my opinion anyway, is a better way to explain MONs decision - instead of saying he's covering up the signing of James Chester (who's also supposedly massive for the dressing room). But anyway, I have the feeling we can go round and round - well debated 👍🏻
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2020 0:05:51 GMT
I completely disagree. Balance is the basis of any good football side and it’s what you do to make one. It is the key. And that for me is the issue here, people shat themselves looking at those sort of results at Derby. Shit themselves but then want to keep the bad defenders that allowed for it. I find it really odd. The wing backs against Millwall were way too negative. There is no need for us to be so defensive if we play the correct centre halves. And with Powell so deep that will be a struggle as the .3 goals so far show! Ask any championship winning manager what comes first, and they will say their side was built on a solid defence. But anyway, it's a give and take isn't it? Push the wingbacks on (or revert to our old formation) and risk losing the game? Keep them tight and 'negative', and get a very good away point? MON clearly doesn't have confidence in any of the defenders to play in a 4 currently. And they themselves probably don't have the confidence either given how that went for the past few years. Having a flexible 5/3 has done wonders. That's the point. Yes we may be asking more of Nick Powell for a bit, but we will adapt in time - and he'll get his chance to dictate things higher up in a lot of games this season still. If we carried on conceding the goals we were doing, we would be in League 1 and it's game over for several years. That, in my opinion anyway, is a better way to explain MONs decision - instead of saying he's covering up the signing of James Chester (who's also supposedly massive for the dressing room). But anyway, I have the feeling we can go round and round - well debated 👍🏻 Any good side is balanced. That includes a good defence and we have that here if he gets some faith and tries it. Wonders? It’s just negative 😂Today it worked better because you had 3 footballers at the back that make it more attacking, they are also better defenders. Powell should be trying to dictate every game in this league. We stayed up defending shitly 😂🤷♂️And it’s not just covering Chester, it’s Batth too. And it’s odd. There’s no need for it.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 6:08:23 GMT
Indeed. Just seems foolishly negative to me. He threw Campbell in and that changed how we play. The defence didn’t change until he changed the whole damn system to make up for the deficiencies. That seems a bit shit to me. Especially when you have two fantastically talented centre halves at your disposal. Any danger of you giving credit to the manager? He's just laying the foundations for a slagging off on when the team news is announce on Sunday.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 18, 2020 6:10:19 GMT
This is a very defining point for MON, this is where he can consolidate his well deserved popularity with fans so far or start splinter groups. Our last manager lost the plot completely by saying one thing and doing the complete opposite. He asked and challenged the youngsters to force their way into the first team they have answered that challenge. I don't expect to see it right away obviously but regular game time in the league for promising candidates should be extremely close. I'm hoping I don't have to agree with Bayern using the word 'coward' in the not so distant future. Splinter groups are already there. Its quite obvious
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 6:45:57 GMT
Bayern is right here to a point. There was no need to be so negative against Millwall but the one thing that has been consistent in the managers interviews so far is talking about the need to find the balance at the top end of the pitch and find more creativity. He isn't batting off the questions or hiding from that point, so lets see how the team evolves and develops.
I fear the 3-5-2 will hamstring us against the lower sides in the league, but will give us more results like last night against the better sides. Mainly because I still don't think we have the right wing backs for it.
I see one or two mentioning the 'Binary' word on here last night. Let's please stop it. This manager is trying to play football. It's nothing like a return to 'that' football.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 18, 2020 6:58:13 GMT
Im sure it will be 4 at the back this weekend playing at home.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 18, 2020 21:16:34 GMT
If anyone's (very) bored, this is another long interview with MON from the end of May about coaching.
Just listened to the first quarter of an hour and it's a decent listen
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 16:26:00 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2020 16:26:39 GMT
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2020 16:31:59 GMT
Where’s Tom Gayle appeared from?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 16:35:46 GMT
Where’s Tom Gayle appeared from? No idea. They just introduced him like he'd been here forever. He's very positive, he made it sound a thriller!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2020 16:36:25 GMT
Bit disappointed with that from the manager.
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Post by werrington on Sept 20, 2020 16:38:59 GMT
Where’s Tom Gayle appeared from? No idea. They just introduced him like he'd been here forever. He's very positive, he made it sound a thriller! 😊....He was ok wasn’t he but I just wished he’d called them Bristol City at times and not continually calling them “ the visitors” Not too bad overall though
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2020 16:42:08 GMT
What does he mean in the official website interview when he says that we are a work in progress?
A few weeks ago he was demanding a fast start and talking like we were coming out of the blocks to attack the league, but after two league games where we've looked as flat as a witches tit he now labels us as a work in progress? If he's referring to players bedding in and/or gaining match fitness then why not address it directly and why not keep schtum when talking about a fast start in the first place?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2020 16:43:02 GMT
bigging up Nick Powell a lot, he clearly wants to build the team around him. A bit of a nothing game from Powell today. Not really at the races because he hasnt played much and he was drifting all over the pitch at times. He isnt really suited to 4-3-3 to be honest as he clearly needs to play further upfront. A bit of a conundrum because hes a class player When we are abit more comfortable I can see us moving to 4231. I think 433 is needs must to get us solid, then improve from there Looks like he’s a freelancer because he was commentating on Blackburn v Wycombe yesterday
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