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Post by blackpoolred on Jun 28, 2020 12:21:54 GMT
I thought it was a very honest interview to be honest. He did sound unhappy with Powel and also said some of the performances were unacceptable and there will be changes - not quite sure how he is going to make sweeping changes with what he has. Feel sorry for him a little, it took him a bit of time when he first came in, but we were in good form before lockdown and looked like he was managing to polish a turd quite nicely. Unfortunately, we lost Allen and he is now having to deal with what managers before him have had to deal with as in players coming back from pre-season out of condition and uninterested. It will take time to rattle them into shape again, but that is something he does not have. Would I keep him for tier 3 footy - I am not sure, he has no experience in English football and his 2 signings have been a bit baffling, as in a central defender that had not played football for a long while and that was out of shape physically and not match fit, at a time when we could not afford to be bleeding players back in and then the signing of Thompson - who could not hold down a regular place in a tier 3 team - all a bit bizarre This and losing Allen has been a disaster for him.....interesting a common theme came out in his interview to Jones a la we did something all week in training and then Saturday comes and boom....the point being though these were mainly other managers players.....we have to stick with him in my opinion. I really hope he gets a reaction at Wigan as the fat lady will be clearing her throat! I think Wigwam have won 27 games on the trot now haven't they Also a bit of a jinx team for us - here's hoping though. I think I would give the current manager a chance in tier 3 based on what he has managed to do thus far, but my main reason for wanting to keep him is a little bit of a sad one - and that is I would be petrified of who the people in charge of our club would bring in next. They just don't have a clue and they never learn: I mean on the face of it having brought in a young manager with no experience at championship level and virtually no experience at all as a manager(NJ) they then bring in a part-time manager with a drinking problem who's only experience of league football was Lepricorn Rovers - this decision made to try and save the club - he has done ok so far, but our owner's decision making skills almost beggars belief and why they have managed to do the unseemingly impossible act of taking an established prem team down to tier 3 football - and not for the first time. I think they/we may have got a bit lucky with the latest acquisition and he looks to be doing ok - so let us not rock the boat and give him a chance
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 28, 2020 12:44:21 GMT
Depends. I haven’t heard it but did he name players? No, but he blamed the players as a group. Washed all responsibility by mentioning not being able to legislate for missed chances, told the players repeatedly what to expect from Boro and Warnock etc. Two weeks in a row now he's started the game with a poor lineup, system and tactics and now he's turning it round on the players. Not good for me. And meanwhile having turned on Stoke players themselves, Rowett and Jones seem to be doing alright at other clubs. Just perhaps one day these Stoke players will see the connection and wonder about themselves.
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Post by musik on Jun 29, 2020 0:22:18 GMT
It seems he was more pleased with the players after the Reading than after the Mboro game.
But according to the +9 mins highlights of each game, we were extremely lucky vs Reading who should have won it easily. Against Mboro we at least created chances.
My intuition before this season was the Mboro game will be a crucial and difficult one, and so it turned out to be apparently.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 29, 2020 18:12:53 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 29, 2020 18:51:40 GMT
Talks about all the chances we had and missed opportunities, we were lucky we weren’t 2 or 3 down after 30 mins
Big improvement needed tomorrow
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 29, 2020 19:01:09 GMT
"We've only dropped one place in the league. 17th over lockdown was the highest we've been all season. We're now 18th"
I wish we were! Mind you, can't blame him for not looking at the table much over the weekend. It isn't pleasant.
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Post by chigstoke on Jun 30, 2020 21:26:51 GMT
He said: “I’m extremely disappointed. It was a really poor performance; a poor attitude to the game, a poor appetite for the game. Clearly, the hungrier team won, the better team won.
“It’s probably the worst performance we’ve had in my time at the club and a real concern given where we are at this point of the season.
“We have to continue to work with the players. These are the players we have. We can look at maybe, do we change the system? Do we have to do something else to give us more of a threat and keep us stronger defensively?
“We were second best all over the pitch and that’s an individual thing. You have to have the appetite to play, you have to have the courage to play. You have to have the respect for your teammates, respect for your club and we didn’t show any of that tonight.”
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Post by stokie1 on Jun 30, 2020 21:32:54 GMT
He said: “I’m extremely disappointed. It was a really poor performance; a poor attitude to the game, a poor appetite for the game. Clearly, the hungrier team won, the better team won. “It’s probably the worst performance we’ve had in my time at the club and a real concern given where we are at this point of the season. “We have to continue to work with the players. These are the players we have. We can look at maybe, do we change the system? Do we have to do something else to give us more of a threat and keep us stronger defensively? “We were second best all over the pitch and that’s an individual thing. You have to have the appetite to play, you have to have the courage to play. You have to have the respect for your teammates, respect for your club and we didn’t show any of that tonight.” Such a damning statement! Will he quit?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2020 21:35:57 GMT
Very damning last line, well beyond the normal manager post-match frustration.
Just what the hell has gone on there over the last few weeks?
How can it go from in control to dysfunctional rabble?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2020 21:37:11 GMT
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Post by neddy on Jun 30, 2020 21:38:51 GMT
Very damning last line, well beyond the normal manager post-match frustration. Just what the hell has gone on there over the last few weeks? How can it go from in control to dysfunctional rabble? It’s clear he thinks a good number of them don’t give a flying eff and had just about said that without naming names?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 30, 2020 21:40:49 GMT
He said: “I’m extremely disappointed. It was a really poor performance; a poor attitude to the game, a poor appetite for the game. Clearly, the hungrier team won, the better team won. “It’s probably the worst performance we’ve had in my time at the club and a real concern given where we are at this point of the season. “We have to continue to work with the players. These are the players we have. We can look at maybe, do we change the system? Do we have to do something else to give us more of a threat and keep us stronger defensively? “We were second best all over the pitch and that’s an individual thing. You have to have the appetite to play, you have to have the courage to play. You have to have the respect for your teammates, respect for your club and we didn’t show any of that tonight.” Such a damning statement! Will he quit? He should quit and take the Northern Ireland job back. I'm sure they'd have him back. He'll lose a lot of money from sacrificing his pay off but quitting now, throwing the players under the bus and going back to Northern Ireland might be the only way to salvage his career and reputation. Because make no mistake, we're in for a relegation battle in League One too. The amount of surgery needed to this squad is so large and will be utterly unaffordable with the liabilities of the wages we're already paying. So we'll be having to rely on most of these next season too. They won't be leaving that's for certain. No one else will pay them what they're on here and the selfish wankers won't take a pay cut to leave.
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Post by chigstoke on Jun 30, 2020 21:41:43 GMT
Very damning last line, well beyond the normal manager post-match frustration. Just what the hell has gone on there over the last few weeks? How can it go from in control to dysfunctional rabble? I struggle to see any way FM in which we can flick the switch ready for the next match. We're 3 games in and I think the attitude and the squad is too far gone to get back to how it was against Hull. They're complete mess. Heads have completely gone and quite frankly, we're doomed.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 30, 2020 21:46:20 GMT
"For many of them, I'm not sure how much it hurts, I have to be honest"
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Post by greenhoff on Jun 30, 2020 21:48:26 GMT
"For many of them, I'm not sure how much it hurts, I have to be honest" Wow! Says it all really
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 21:48:31 GMT
He's lost them and its not a surprise.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 30, 2020 21:48:43 GMT
"For many of them, I'm not sure how much it hurts, I have to be honest" Thats the comment that hits home
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Post by chigstoke on Jun 30, 2020 21:49:09 GMT
"For many of them, I'm not sure how much it hurts, I have to be honest" That is absolutely damning. If I were him and he's still here next season, I'd get rid of near enough the lot.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 30, 2020 21:57:15 GMT
"For many of them, I'm not sure how much it hurts, I have to be honest" That is absolutely damning. If I were him and he's still here next season, I'd get rid of near enough the lot. That's the problem. We can't get rid of them. Players contracts are water tight and no other club will offer them anywhere near the money they're on here so they won't leave. We can't force them to leave so they'll sit it out and take the money. And we can't afford to freeze the whole lot out and put them on gardening leave and sign a whole new squad, even on League One wages, because of the size of the financial liabilities left from paying the wages of these wankers. We're stuck with the pricks. And other than a few cheapo signings we'll be having to rely on a lot of them in League One too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 22:00:53 GMT
"For many of them, I'm not sure how much it hurts, I have to be honest" That is absolutely damning. If I were him and he's still here next season, I'd get rid of near enough the lot. That is going to be nigh on impossible with the contracts they have. If we go down we'll be down for a long, long time and I predict we'll go through a number of managers and maybe owners before we come back. We just won't be able to spend the money required to turn it around quickly, and that's if you trust the owners to spend it properly. We'll be hamstrung from the minute we walked into the division. It will take roughly three or four seasons to get rid of the fat before you can rebuild properly.
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Post by rorystowel on Jun 30, 2020 22:02:25 GMT
"For many of them, I'm not sure how much it hurts, I have to be honest" Thats the comment that hits home From watching that dismal “performance” on the pitch, MON is only saying what we were all thinking. Some are clearly just not good enough for the Championship but others like Clucas, Ince...?
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Post by chigstoke on Jun 30, 2020 22:14:06 GMT
That is absolutely damning. If I were him and he's still here next season, I'd get rid of near enough the lot. That is going to be nigh on impossible with the contracts they have. If we go down we'll be down for a long, long time and I predict we'll go through a number of managers and maybe owners before we come back. We just won't be able to spend the money required to turn it around quickly, and that's if you trust the owners to spend it properly. We'll be hamstrung from the minute we walked into the division. It will take roughly three or four seasons to get rid of the fat before you can rebuild properly. Prognosis - We're fucked
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 30, 2020 22:18:24 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for him, Jones and Rowett. Incredible how we’ve managed to end up with a squad this shit and somehow keep making it shitter.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2020 23:22:52 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for him, Jones and Rowett. Incredible how we’ve managed to end up with a squad this shit and somehow keep making it shitter. And yet some how he managed it, Chester, Thompson....
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 30, 2020 23:38:38 GMT
Very damning last line, well beyond the normal manager post-match frustration. Just what the hell has gone on there over the last few weeks? How can it go from in control to dysfunctional rabble? I struggle to see any way FM in which we can flick the switch ready for the next match. . The one glimmer of hope is that he has been able to do pretty much just that at least once already this season. It’ll take a bit of a miracle though, that was as wretchedly gutless and incompetent a performance I’ve seen for a good while.
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 30, 2020 23:48:38 GMT
You fuckin tell em oneill. I am sick of the players of this club throwing the managers under the bus. The most telling thing in that interview was that he told them the cost of relegation to their reputations as players. At the minute if they think they are too good for stoke and can get up and walk away from this shit show then clubs will not touch them.
Oneill is here to stay and he will turn it round. We do not know what goes on behind closed doors and inside the club. His team selections may be based on the attitudes and lack of respect he is seeing. He may be fighting a losing battle in that players have taken the piss and been sat at home doing fuck all to keep fit and now have been found out. All factors he alludes to in his interview, fitness attitude etc
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Post by callas12 on Jun 30, 2020 23:58:28 GMT
As bizarre as it sounds I wonder if the U23 squad is still in training & up to speed for a match. Coz after that appalling showing tonight I honestly think the youngsters would at least try in a game & even if we lost, sure they would go down fighting unlike what we witnessed tonight.
Said jokingly to a mate was watching the game with tonight & it came about after hearing how passionate & saddened Liam Lawrence was sounding on the co punditry.. I reckon the whole squad of TP's promotion winning side ie Lawrence, Fuller, Sidibe, Creswell, Delap etc would have put more of a battling performance in tonight having not played & likely trained for a good number of years now, than we watched from our current squad at Wigan. I genuinely think they cared enough about the club aswell as themselves to give their all every time they pulled the red & white stripes on & would of done again after that dreadful showing tonight! Let's face it, they really couldnt be any worse would they?
Lawrence genuinely sounded gutted tonight & you could hear the hurt in his voice. To see what he helped create at this club including the mentality & determination to succeed being completely warn away season by season by the current over played & overhyped players to the position & predicament where we now find ourselves today must be heartbreaking. Its bad enough for us fans to witness the demise but for an ex player who took us on our upwards journey with a squad who clearly cared, & whose now clearly a fan must be gutting beyond belief.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 1, 2020 0:08:12 GMT
You fuckin tell em oneill. I am sick of the players of this club throwing the managers under the bus. The most telling thing in that interview was that he told them the cost of relegation to their reputations as players. At the minute if they think they are too good for stoke and can get up and walk away from this shit show then clubs will not touch them. Oneill is here to stay and he will turn it round. We do not know what goes on behind closed doors and inside the club. His team selections may be based on the attitudes and lack of respect he is seeing. He may be fighting a losing battle in that players have taken the piss and been sat at home doing fuck all to keep fit and now have been found out. All factors he alludes to in his interview, fitness attitude etc Interestingly on the points you make regarding fitness, I find it strange that the fitness coach Nathan Jones brought in is still in post & im sure I heard its coz the players liked him! (Where have we heard that before?!). To me a fitness coach shouldn't be your best friend, they can be approachable but in the main is someone who beasts you to be at peak physical fitness, especially as we're talking about highly paid professional athletes here & it sounds as the though the players are walking all over him currently. Especially as if fitness is an issue & it certainly appears to be by what we're currently witnessing & also after what we've just heard in MON's after match comments, surely the work the fitness coach has being creating and watching over during lockdown needs to be evaluated as something clearly isn't working!
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 1, 2020 0:20:04 GMT
Very damning last line, well beyond the normal manager post-match frustration. Just what the hell has gone on there over the last few weeks? How can it go from in control to dysfunctional rabble? They've had 14 weeks of not doing much but picking up their wages and quite enjoyed it. Fancy having to turn up and play a few games. It worried me slightly when O'Neill said last week that he'd seen another side to them and had his eyes opened by the way some of them had come back to training. Obviously as on the pitch, left to their own devices they can't be trusted.
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Post by Championship Potter on Jul 1, 2020 7:38:53 GMT
I have a lot of sympathy for him, Jones and Rowett. Incredible how we’ve managed to end up with a squad this shit and somehow keep making it shitter. And yet some how he managed it, Chester, Thompson.... In his defence he didn’t have much time with the squad to identity gaps and recruit the right players. Any competent recruitment team would have a long list of decent targets ready to sign. Instead ours were more preoccupied with shifting out N’Diaye and Etebo...
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