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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:13:00 GMT
Correct, I am. It is the Left that daee not address the issues that the working class Tommy refers to....and have lost all their credibility with the working class. Its a shame. Never mind What specific issues does the "working class hero" Robinson refer to john? Because forgive me I'm not watching an hour of him on You Tube at 23:00 on a Sunday night..... Well , have a listen to it at some other time if you are honestly interested in the issues. Basically cultural clash between Extremist Uslam and ordinary British people ( who seem to be neglected by the left)....just listen to the first 10 minutes...some if those intimidated in their own homes happen to be black...but never mind , look away, this isn't really happening.....except France is now having to address cultural clash. You seem very quick to defend the left by the way, for a free thinker
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Post by foster on Nov 1, 2020 23:21:26 GMT
Tommy and his ilk are one type of scum that the police should he cracking down hard on.
Hate speech is hate speech, regardless of where it comes from.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:24:26 GMT
What specific issues does the "working class hero" Robinson refer to john? Because forgive me I'm not watching an hour of him on You Tube at 23:00 on a Sunday night..... Well , have a listen to it at some other time if you are honestly interested in the issues. Basically cultural clash between Extremist Uslam and ordinary British people ( who seem to be neglected by the left)....just listen to the first 10 minutes...some if those intimidated in their own homes happen to be black...but never mind , look away, this isn't really happening.....except France is now having to address cultural clash. You seem very quick to defend the left by the way, for a free thinker I've not once defended the left, merely pointed out your obsession with mentioning them in every tweet.......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:32:45 GMT
Well , have a listen to it at some other time if you are honestly interested in the issues. Basically cultural clash between Extremist Uslam and ordinary British people ( who seem to be neglected by the left)....just listen to the first 10 minutes...some if those intimidated in their own homes happen to be black...but never mind , look away, this isn't really happening.....except France is now having to address cultural clash. You seem very quick to defend the left by the way, for a free thinker I've not once defended the left, merely pointed out your obsession with mentioning them in every tweet....... You constantly are quick to defend Corbyn and criticism against him, nothing to be ashamed of in that.....or is there? Yes I do think that those who think that they are talking in behalf of the Left have disgracefully betrayed ordinary people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:42:53 GMT
I've not once defended the left, merely pointed out your obsession with mentioning them in every tweet....... You constantly are quick to defend Corbyn and criticism against him, nothing to be ashamed of in that.....or is there? Yes I do think that those who think that they are talking in behalf of the Left have disgracefully betrayed ordinary people. I've criticised Corbyn over many many things john. But what I will defend him to the death on is the way he has been treated by the MSM both personally and in relation to the McCarthyism of the Labour antisemitism "crisis". Whatever people's thoughts on his leadership skills it is a scandal the way a fundamentally good man has had his character assassinated. It's really not difficult, it's about what you think is right and wrong. Quite frankly if that puts me in a minority of one then I'm cool with that.......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:47:27 GMT
You constantly are quick to defend Corbyn and criticism against him, nothing to be ashamed of in that.....or is there? Yes I do think that those who think that they are talking in behalf of the Left have disgracefully betrayed ordinary people. I've criticised Corbyn over many many things john. But what I will defend him to the death on is the way he has been treated by the MSM both personally and in relation to the McCarthyism of the Labour antisemitism "crisis". Whatever people's thoughts on his leadership skills it is a scandal the way a fundamentally good man has had his character assassinated. It's really not difficult, it's about what you think is right and wrong. Quite frankly if that puts me in a minority of one then I'm cool with that....... And in respect of MSM Farage and Robinson and their families have also suffered , and have been portrayed as being in the minority. It has taken a lotion courage. The main stream parties that you support simply play it safe...and make a nice living out of it...the thing you accuse Farage of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:55:15 GMT
I've criticised Corbyn over many many things john. But what I will defend him to the death on is the way he has been treated by the MSM both personally and in relation to the McCarthyism of the Labour antisemitism "crisis". Whatever people's thoughts on his leadership skills it is a scandal the way a fundamentally good man has had his character assassinated. It's really not difficult, it's about what you think is right and wrong. Quite frankly if that puts me in a minority of one then I'm cool with that....... And in respect of MSM Farage and Robinson and their families have also suffered , and have been portrayed as being in the minority. It has taken a lotion courage. The main stream parties that you support simply play it safe...and make a nice living out of it...the thing you accuse Farage of. If you don't think Farage isn't part of the establishment john then God bless you. And Robinson's family has suffered because the guy is a violent thug with a coke habit........
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Post by foster on Nov 1, 2020 23:59:49 GMT
I've criticised Corbyn over many many things john. But what I will defend him to the death on is the way he has been treated by the MSM both personally and in relation to the McCarthyism of the Labour antisemitism "crisis". Whatever people's thoughts on his leadership skills it is a scandal the way a fundamentally good man has had his character assassinated. It's really not difficult, it's about what you think is right and wrong. Quite frankly if that puts me in a minority of one then I'm cool with that....... And in respect of MSM Farage and Robinson and their families have also suffered , and have been portrayed as being in the minority. It has taken a lotion courage. The main stream parties that you support simply play it safe...and make a nice living out of it...the thing you accuse Farage of. Losing all credibility with your defence of Robinson. He's a truly horrible and nasty peice of work. I'm all for a no holds barred crack down on hate speech and respecting police..but supporting a lowlife like him is nothing short of double standards.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 0:02:10 GMT
And in respect of MSM Farage and Robinson and their families have also suffered , and have been portrayed as being in the minority. It has taken a lotion courage. The main stream parties that you support simply play it safe...and make a nice living out of it...the thing you accuse Farage of. Losing all credibility with your defence of Robinson. He's a truly horrible and nasty peice of work. I'm all for a no holds barred crack down on hate speech and respecting police..but supporting a lowlife like him is nothing short of double standards. I know it is easy just to condemn him without looking at the issues. Easy.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 0:06:33 GMT
Losing all credibility with your defence of Robinson. He's a truly horrible and nasty peice of work. I'm all for a no holds barred crack down on hate speech and respecting police..but supporting a lowlife like him is nothing short of double standards. I know it is easy just to condemn him without looking at the issues. Easy. What have the issues got to do with him? I've seen plenty of his videos to judge him as a person I despise. Whether that be singing offensive songs, being drugged up or punching people for no reason. Whether he agrees with some of my views is irrelevant. I don't auto-like someone and excuse their twattish behaviour just because they agree with me on a couple of things.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 0:12:58 GMT
I know it is easy just to condemn him without looking at the issues. Easy. What have the issues got to do with him? I've seen plenty of his videos to judge him as a person I despise. Whether that be singing offensive songs, being drugged up or punching people for no reason. Whether he agrees with some of my views is irrelevant. I don't auto-like someone and excuse their twattish behaviour just because they agree with me on a couple of things. I don't know him, so I'm not interested in liking or disliking him. He has drawn attention to a cultural clash between Extremist Islam and " UK culture " in Luton , snd the abuse of vulnerable white girls.. from a working class perspective.....and it seems that he has been proved right on these isdues.....Macron seems to support him.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 0:20:34 GMT
What have the issues got to do with him? I've seen plenty of his videos to judge him as a person I despise. Whether that be singing offensive songs, being drugged up or punching people for no reason. Whether he agrees with some of my views is irrelevant. I don't auto-like someone and excuse their twattish behaviour just because they agree with me on a couple of things. I don't know him, so I'm not interested in liking or disliking him. He has drawn attention to a cultural clash between Extremist Islam and " UK culture " in Luton , snd the abuse of vulnerable white girls.. from a working class perspective.....and it seems that he has been proved right on these isdues.....Macron seems to support him. Macron supports Tommy....haha. You should probably go to bed mate. Not your night tonight.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 0:22:36 GMT
I don't know him, so I'm not interested in liking or disliking him. He has drawn attention to a cultural clash between Extremist Islam and " UK culture " in Luton , snd the abuse of vulnerable white girls.. from a working class perspective.....and it seems that he has been proved right on these isdues.....Macron seems to support him. Macron supports Tommy....haha. You should probably go to bed mate. Not your night tonight. I will mate, it is better use of my time....personal again can't deal with the issues.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 0:29:16 GMT
Macron supports Tommy....haha. You should probably go to bed mate. Not your night tonight. I will mate, it is better use of my time....personal again can't deal with the issues. Promoting Farage and Robinson doesn't really count as an important issue to me mate sorry. Sweetdreams!
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 2, 2020 7:30:33 GMT
I know it is easy just to condemn him without looking at the issues. Easy. What have the issues got to do with him? I've seen plenty of his videos to judge him as a person I despise. Whether that be singing offensive songs, being drugged up or punching people for no reason. Whether he agrees with some of my views is irrelevant. I don't auto-like someone and excuse their twattish behaviour just because they agree with me on a couple of things. What a shame no one in authority, either the police or social services were a fraction of bothered as Tommy was/is about Muslim grooming gangs raping young white girls. If they had shown any of the outrage TR did, maybe, just maybe it would not have gone on for so long up and down the country. If being outraged by these scum makes you a racist then I'll get some doc Martin's and red laces later.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 7:48:18 GMT
I will mate, it is better use of my time....personal again can't deal with the issues. Promoting Farage and Robinson doesn't really count as an important issue to me mate sorry. Sweetdreams! I'm not "promoting" them....mind you it is safer to steer clear of the main political issues of recent years....Brexit, extreme Islamic terrorism and culture clash, the targeting of vulnerable white girls for sexual exploitation, mass uncontrolled immigration, the concerns of ordinary folk.............the Labour Party and the "left" have managed to avoid those issues, preferring to ......split over antisemitism and to suspend their great leader ....Issues that People are really bothered about 🙄 🤔 ( the most memorable contribution on the Muslim gangs during the Corbyn era came from Naz Shah, didn't it retweeting" shut their mouths for the sake of diversity "...or something like that metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/.....I'd prefer Tommy's approach and so would many millions more) And if they are not important, why comment?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 2, 2020 7:50:05 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂 A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent. Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough! I think you’re missing the point. I don’t think that’s the issue though is if. I don’t think anyone’s arguing he’s a racist and I’m certainly no fan. It’s the double standards. People are just going to look at this and say “why him?” I have no issue with him being arrested but why have others been given a free pass to preach hate without consequences when they haven’t been just breaching Covid but they’ve been violent too.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 2, 2020 7:53:48 GMT
Tommy and his ilk are one type of scum that the police should he cracking down hard on. Hate speech is hate speech, regardless of where it comes from. Agreed but that’s not what he’s been arrested for.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Nov 2, 2020 7:57:17 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂 A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent. Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough! I can't stand Robinson, however, have you chipped into this? uk.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fundHow many meals could that fund?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 8:24:17 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂 A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent. Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough! I can't stand Robinson, however, have you chipped into this? uk.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fundHow many meals could that fund? To be fair that will only be comparable if he spends it all on Stone Island jackets and Rolex watches.......
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 2, 2020 8:33:46 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂 A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent. Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough! I can't stand Robinson, however, have you chipped into this? uk.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fundHow many meals could that fund? Are people genuinely donating ? If he’s a ‘person of the people’ he should ask for State legal Aid and donate that fund to charity? Then get a shave and buy a clean shirt the scruffy bastard 😁
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 9:39:44 GMT
Promoting Farage and Robinson doesn't really count as an important issue to me mate sorry. Sweetdreams! I'm not "promoting" them....mind you it is safer to steer clear of the main political issues of recent years....Brexit, extreme Islamic terrorism and culture clash, the targeting of vulnerable white girls for sexual exploitation, mass uncontrolled immigration, the concerns of ordinary folk.............the Labour Party and the "left" have managed to avoid those issues, preferring to ......split over antisemitism and to suspend their great leader ....Issues that People are really bothered about 🙄 🤔 ( the most memorable contribution on the Muslim gangs during the Corbyn era came from Naz Shah, didn't it retweeting" shut their mouths for the sake of diversity "...or something like that metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/.....I'd prefer Tommy's approach and so would many millions more) And if they are not important, why comment? The issues you state are valid, but I have my own opinion and I don't feel the need to promote or praise a racist to back it up.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 2, 2020 9:41:14 GMT
Promoting Farage and Robinson doesn't really count as an important issue to me mate sorry. Sweetdreams! I'm not "promoting" them....mind you it is safer to steer clear of the main political issues of recent years....Brexit, extreme Islamic terrorism and culture clash, the targeting of vulnerable white girls for sexual exploitation, mass uncontrolled immigration, the concerns of ordinary folk.............the Labour Party and the "left" have managed to avoid those issues, preferring to ......split over antisemitism and to suspend their great leader ....Issues that People are really bothered about 🙄 🤔 ( the most memorable contribution on the Muslim gangs during the Corbyn era came from Naz Shah, didn't it retweeting" shut their mouths for the sake of diversity "...or something like that metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/.....I'd prefer Tommy's approach and so would many millions more) And if they are not important, why comment? One current party leader reorganised the CPS to better cope with cases like these, as well as ordering hundreds of cases to be reviewed, resulting in many prosecutions. I assume Starmer has your vote at the next election?
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 9:42:06 GMT
Tommy and his ilk are one type of scum that the police should he cracking down hard on. Hate speech is hate speech, regardless of where it comes from. Agreed but that’s not what he’s been arrested for. True, but it's the topic of this thread, and I don't know why he's even been brought into the discussion in the first place.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 9:58:28 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂 A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent. Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough! I think you’re missing the point. I don’t think that’s the issue though is if. I don’t think anyone’s arguing he’s a racist and I’m certainly no fan. It’s the double standards. People are just going to look at this and say “why him?” I have no issue with him being arrested but why have others been given a free pass to preach hate without consequences when they haven’t been just breaching Covid but they’ve been violent too. I agree on the double standards. The issue isn't about why has Tommy been arrested? He's dangerous and should be treated like the scum he is. It's about why aren't all preachers of hate being arrested? Why do minority groups get away with it just because they're minority groups? I don't see what's protecting them to be honest. I'm sure most people would feel glad and safer to see the serial haters getting removed from society. All kinds of them.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 2, 2020 10:21:19 GMT
I think you’re missing the point. I don’t think that’s the issue though is if. I don’t think anyone’s arguing he’s a racist and I’m certainly no fan. It’s the double standards. People are just going to look at this and say “why him?” I have no issue with him being arrested but why have others been given a free pass to preach hate without consequences when they haven’t been just breaching Covid but they’ve been violent too. I agree on the double standards. The issue isn't about why has Tommy been arrested? He's dangerous and should be treated like the scum he is. It's about why aren't all preachers of hate being arrested? Why do minority groups get away with it just because they're minority groups? I don't see what's protecting them to be honest. I'm sure most people would feel glad and safer to see the serial haters getting removed from society. All kinds of them. Is there really double standards ? He struggled to not fradulently fill in a mortgage application doubt he bothered with all the stuff to carry out a protest apart from the obvious point was for him to get arrested because otherwise him standing speaking in front of 20 people or whatever would not be newsworthy or go fund me you mugs worthy.
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2020 10:46:56 GMT
So what is the actual solution to eradicating hate speech then?
For me it comes down to:
1) Giving the authorities and police far more power and protection to carry out their jobs without fear of being called racists (or similar) or having to face legal proceedings.
2) What to do with those that preach hate? Desert island, Deportation, Prison, making them disappear... 3) Having a fast track way to convict them and avoiding months of bullshit legal battles paid for by the taxpayer.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 11:03:22 GMT
I'm not "promoting" them....mind you it is safer to steer clear of the main political issues of recent years....Brexit, extreme Islamic terrorism and culture clash, the targeting of vulnerable white girls for sexual exploitation, mass uncontrolled immigration, the concerns of ordinary folk.............the Labour Party and the "left" have managed to avoid those issues, preferring to ......split over antisemitism and to suspend their great leader ....Issues that People are really bothered about 🙄 🤔 ( the most memorable contribution on the Muslim gangs during the Corbyn era came from Naz Shah, didn't it retweeting" shut their mouths for the sake of diversity "...or something like that metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/.....I'd prefer Tommy's approach and so would many millions more) And if they are not important, why comment? The issues you state are valid, but I have my own opinion and I don't feel the need to promote or praise a racist to back it up. That's fine... the title of the thread is ' Freedom of speech ' so I'm all for giving opinions without fear. It's not promotion. Tommy has done many stupid and dubious things, he's also been courageous in bringing attention to issues , neglected by the authorities and the main political parties. No one's promoting him, but on some issues he got there before politicians. And like it or not Farage was more in tune in Brexit than the Labour Party
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 11:06:31 GMT
I'm not "promoting" them....mind you it is safer to steer clear of the main political issues of recent years....Brexit, extreme Islamic terrorism and culture clash, the targeting of vulnerable white girls for sexual exploitation, mass uncontrolled immigration, the concerns of ordinary folk.............the Labour Party and the "left" have managed to avoid those issues, preferring to ......split over antisemitism and to suspend their great leader ....Issues that People are really bothered about 🙄 🤔 ( the most memorable contribution on the Muslim gangs during the Corbyn era came from Naz Shah, didn't it retweeting" shut their mouths for the sake of diversity "...or something like that metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/.....I'd prefer Tommy's approach and so would many millions more) And if they are not important, why comment? One current party leader reorganised the CPS to better cope with cases like these, as well as ordering hundreds of cases to be reviewed, resulting in many prosecutions. I assume Starmer has your vote at the next election? I can't predict where we'll be at the next election. I'm not in Starmer's constituency. I'd like to see a party emerge that offers political reform and genuinely represents ordinary people rather than patronisingly tells them what they should be thinking.
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 2, 2020 11:08:41 GMT
I know it is easy just to condemn him without looking at the issues. Easy. What have the issues got to do with him? I've seen plenty of his videos to judge him as a person I despise. Whether that be singing offensive songs, being drugged up or punching people for no reason. Whether he agrees with some of my views is irrelevant. I don't auto-like someone and excuse their twattish behaviour just because they agree with me on a couple of things. Out of interest what is your point of view on Muslim grooming gangs.
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