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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2019 11:50:53 GMT
As I understand it , even though not a crime this hate incident can be disclosed in certain circumstances. Reminds me of the law around accepting a caution....to do so actually means that you DO have a criminal conviction and this can be disclosed..... many people believe at the time of accepting the caution you do not get a criminal record.....by accepting it you are admitting the offence, in a sense the caution is the punishment. In the case below I really believe that the Police have got enough to do.... even if the action of the offender is wrong.... but I guess that it could be argued that it is nipping it in the bud before it escalates and hate crime does cause distress. The point of my post though is that the recording of the incident could have consequences but as far as I know you have no right of appeal..... "The court heard he was told he had not committed a crime, but his post was being recorded as a "hate incident". www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-lincolnshire-50490311
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Post by felonious on Nov 21, 2019 13:57:13 GMT
No comment
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 21, 2019 14:40:34 GMT
As I understand it , even though not a crime this hate incident can be disclosed in certain circumstances. Reminds me of the law around accepting a caution....to do so actually means that you DO have a criminal conviction and this can be disclosed..... many people believe at the time of accepting the caution you do not get a criminal record.....by accepting it you are admitting the offence, in a sense the caution is the punishment. In the case below I really believe that the Police have got enough to do.... even if the action of the offender is wrong.... but I guess that it could be argued that it is nipping it in the bud before it escalates and hate crime does cause distress. The point of my post though is that the recording of the incident could have consequences but as far as I know you have no right of appeal..... "The court heard he was told he had not committed a crime, but his post was being recorded as a "hate incident". www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-lincolnshire-50490311A caution isn't a conviction, but you're correct that it is included on any DBS checks. www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 21, 2019 14:56:24 GMT
As I understand it , even though not a crime this hate incident can be disclosed in certain circumstances. Reminds me of the law around accepting a caution....to do so actually means that you DO have a criminal conviction and this can be disclosed..... many people believe at the time of accepting the caution you do not get a criminal record.....by accepting it you are admitting the offence, in a sense the caution is the punishment. In the case below I really believe that the Police have got enough to do.... even if the action of the offender is wrong.... but I guess that it could be argued that it is nipping it in the bud before it escalates and hate crime does cause distress. The point of my post though is that the recording of the incident could have consequences but as far as I know you have no right of appeal..... "The court heard he was told he had not committed a crime, but his post was being recorded as a "hate incident". www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-lincolnshire-50490311A caution isn't a conviction, but you're correct that it is included on any DBS checks. www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penaltyFaye... From your link.... "The police or Crown Prosecution Service can give you a caution (warning) or a penalty notice if you commit a minor crime." For a person to accept the caution they have to admit the offence. The caution is recorded...you have a criminal record.... but I agree in the strictest sense it's not a conviction. Under enhanced DBS you have to disclose the cautions unless it was committed while you are under 18 ( I actually worked with a young person with Ann Winterton and Fiona Bruce to get this bit of the law changed... young people who had committed minor a offence under 18 ,had received a caution and then were prevented from getting a job( with children for example)... they had not realised that they had a criminal record. I don't think that the situation has changed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 15:17:46 GMT
Social Credit System of The People's Monocracy of The United Kingdom.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 13, 2019 11:40:15 GMT
I've just overheard a librarian at a university in Manchester ask her " superior",in all seriousness, if she is allowed ( that's the word she used) to wish anyone a Merry Christmas or should she say " Season's greetings".... she's about 50 years old, if that's relevant.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 14, 2019 1:37:31 GMT
The concept of "hate crime" is a disease.
Motivation should have no bearing on sentencing for the same acts. Its ambiguity in definition and application is also weaponised for crushing "unorthodox" (unPC) thought.
Our current would-be tyrants lick their lips at such a subjective and slack interpretation of the law.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 21, 2019 9:43:07 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 23, 2019 15:59:23 GMT
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Post by felonious on Dec 23, 2019 16:49:28 GMT
Frightening.... all for having an opinion on a process which is disliked by many. Halal meat and products including halal meat should be clearly labelled.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 16:13:24 GMT
I didn't know which thread to put this on....... A blast from the past? Some will say....trying to stay relevant/ make a name for himself. fb.watch/1uBLSqMdU4/
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 1, 2020 16:29:27 GMT
I didn't know which thread to put this on....... A blast from the past? Some will say....trying to stay relevant/ make a name for himself. fb.watch/1uBLSqMdU4/Im no fan of his but I can see where people are getting upset over the inconsistency when other protests go unchecked. I actually think this is what Robinson wants because it’ll give him ammunition to recruit. As always the police on the ground cop the flack but I’m pretty sure they’re just following instructions. I think the poor officers dealing with this are being hung out to dry by those above them who no doubt have told them what to do.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 1, 2020 16:42:23 GMT
Yet it appears to be absolutely fine to deface, damage or destroy monuments whilst the Police stand by and watch, it's also ok to chase the police with weapons whilst they run away it's also ok to wear paramilitary uniforms and march on the streets of the UK whilst the police stand by and watch, the country is a fcuking joke.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 1, 2020 16:49:34 GMT
No doubt he’s a bit of a dick head but it’s just appalling double standards. I imagine the “celebrity status” he has is a major contributor to the fact the police are told to go out there and make a statement
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 17:01:30 GMT
What's the coked up dwarf been up to now then?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 17:09:04 GMT
A Metropolitan Police spokesman told Metro.co.uk: ‘Officers were policing an assembly at speakers corner, Hyde Park on Sunday, 1 November. ‘At 2.44pm a man aged in his 30’s was arrested under the coronavirus regulations for holding or being involved in the holding of the event. ‘He has been taken to police custody.’ So events , such as the protests in front of the French Embassy, are clearly being clamped down upon ....or not? Tommy Robinson cries ‘I haven’t done anything’ as he’s arrested at rally – Metro metro.co.uk/2020/11/01/tommy-robinson-cries-i-havent-done-anything-as-hes-arrested-at-rally-13517329/
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Post by thevoid on Nov 1, 2020 17:43:14 GMT
Double standards again, compared to the other day outside the French Embassy.
As cobham said, this is why people are getting pissed off, rather than any actual sympathy for Robinson.
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Post by felonious on Nov 1, 2020 17:51:54 GMT
If I'm understanding this correctly he was in a group of more than 6 in tier 2 London?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 1, 2020 18:32:03 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂
A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent.
Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 19:00:51 GMT
If I'm understanding this correctly he was in a group of more than 6 in tier 2 London? I think it is impossible to consistently Police the rules, fairly and correctly....I wonder if all six have been arrested? There clearly are other groups of six who appear to be getting away with it.
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Post by felonious on Nov 1, 2020 19:11:12 GMT
If I'm understanding this correctly he was in a group of more than 6 in tier 2 London? I think it is impossible to consistently Police the rules, fairly and correctly....I wonder if all six have been arrested? There clearly are other groups of six who appear to be getting away with it. To be fair BJR I think the police are fairly consistent with this man.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 19:20:00 GMT
I think it is impossible to consistently Police the rules, fairly and correctly....I wonder if all six have been arrested? There clearly are other groups of six who appear to be getting away with it. To be fair BJR I think the police are fairly consistent with this man. But are they applying the law equally irrespective of the person?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 19:21:21 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂 A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent. Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough! Sheikh I do think Tommy will never escape his past....a bit like Corbyn Funny that.
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Post by felonious on Nov 1, 2020 19:34:51 GMT
To be fair BJR I think the police are fairly consistent with this man. But are they applying the law equally irrespective of the person? I think that's the point I was making.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 1, 2020 21:59:00 GMT
Is it true he was crying in the Police Van 😂 A fresh 'donations from morons' campaign imminent. Can't be easy being a professional racist on furlough! Sheikh I do think Tommy will never escape his past....a bit like Corbyn Funny that. Tommy will be loving this the Police are playing right into his hands, he will claim discrimination or Police harassment and tbf he will be bang on the money, a decent lawyer and he will be laughing all the way to the bank again, you can not have different rules to suit your agenda in a democratic country or can you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 22:08:16 GMT
I thought the pint sized irritant was residing in Spain these days? But enough about crapslinger......
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 22:36:45 GMT
I thought the pint sized irritant was residing in Spain these days? But enough about crapslinger...... He brings up some relevant issues in the Oxford Union video, don't you think?....Or are tge issues best ignored....its always superficially easier to get the man, but the things he is drawing attention to resonate with many people who actually live in those communities. I've got 2 friends who moved north to escape Luton, for the reasons Tommy talks about. The first 10 minutes take some explaining.....but nevertheless mind , let's ignore ordinary people....the " Left" is always right by default.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 22:50:45 GMT
I thought the pint sized irritant was residing in Spain these days? But enough about crapslinger...... He brings up some relevant issues in the Oxford Union video, don't you think?....Or are tge issues best ignored....its always superficially easier to get the man, but the things he is drawing attention to resonate with many people who actually live in those communities. I've got 2 friends who moved north to escape Luton, for the reasons Tommy talks about. The first 10 minutes take some explaining.....but nevertheless mind , let's ignore ordinary people....the " Left" is always right by default. You're banging on about "the left" again john when no one was mentioning "the left"
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 22:53:36 GMT
He brings up some relevant issues in the Oxford Union video, don't you think?....Or are tge issues best ignored....its always superficially easier to get the man, but the things he is drawing attention to resonate with many people who actually live in those communities. I've got 2 friends who moved north to escape Luton, for the reasons Tommy talks about. The first 10 minutes take some explaining.....but nevertheless mind , let's ignore ordinary people....the " Left" is always right by default. You're banging on about "the left" again john when no one was mentioning "the left" Correct, I am. It is the Left that daee not address the issues that the working class Tommy refers to....and have lost all their credibility with the working class. Its a shame. Never mind
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:01:01 GMT
You're banging on about "the left" again john when no one was mentioning "the left" Correct, I am. It is the Left that daee not address the issues that the working class Tommy refers to....and have lost all their credibility with the working class. Its a shame. Never mind What specific issues does the "working class hero" Robinson refer to john? Because forgive me I'm not watching an hour of him on You Tube at 23:00 on a Sunday night.....
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