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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2019 10:35:51 GMT
It's counter intuitive after he was our best player yesterday but with the riches we have in midfield and the gaps everywhere else a best 11 when everyone is fit almost certainly has Clucas at left back. Etebo for Allen or not at all surely? Clucas is our biggest goalscoring threat and has been all season. For him to move to left back Gregory needs to be less of a useless fucker in front of goal. Ince needs to find some form and McClean needs to become something he’s never really been. And Etebo has to do something tangible rather than just dribble then do nowt with it. MacLean was good on Monday and very good yesterday, take the blinkers off. A real threat.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2019 10:37:20 GMT
I think that's a very fair appraisal, although I wouldn't have gone quite as high for Edwards. Apart from Bruno, the defence is a real worry. We've got an abundance of riches in midfield. But upfront is an issue too, Gregory works his absolute sack off but how long are we going to go on seeing him waste excellent chances? When Etebo is fit, who misses out from Badou, Clucas, Etebo and Allen? I have absolutely no idea who should play at left back. I'm sure Clucas would do a better job than any of the other candidates but what a waste that would be. I'd want Bruno to stay in the heart of the defence. It's counter intuitive after he was our best player yesterday but with the riches we have in midfield and the gaps everywhere else a best 11 when everyone is fit almost certainly has Clucas at left back. Yes that does seem logical Sheiky but I can't help thinking that there isn't anybody else in the squad who would have had the vision (or indeed the ability) to score that first goal yesterday and who would have struck Clucas' second as sweetly? The worry being, that had we started with him at left back and Badou in midfield yesterday, might we have ultimately, only come away with a 2-2 draw?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:37:47 GMT
Etebo for Allen or not at all surely? Clucas is our biggest goalscoring threat and has been all season. For him to move to left back Gregory needs to be less of a useless fucker in front of goal. Ince needs to find some form and McClean needs to become something he’s never really been. And Etebo has to do something tangible rather than just dribble then do nowt with it. MacLean was good on Monday and very good yesterday, take the blinkers off. A real threat. 2 games wow. No blinkers at all but over his career (like I said) he’s barely been a threat.
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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2019 10:38:18 GMT
It's counter intuitive after he was our best player yesterday but with the riches we have in midfield and the gaps everywhere else a best 11 when everyone is fit almost certainly has Clucas at left back. Yes that does seem logical Sheiky but I can't help thinking that there isn't anybody else in the squad who would have had the vision (or indeed the ability) to score that first goal yesterday and who would have struck Clucas' second as sweetly? The worry being, that had we started with him at left back and Badou in midfield yesterday, might we have ultimately, only come away with a 2-2 draw? Bruno at left back till January.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 10, 2019 10:38:21 GMT
MON has some big decisions to make.
LB CB RB Where does Etebo fit? Does Ince play? Can Diouf fill in? Where can Hogan play?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:40:25 GMT
MON has some big decisions to make. LB CB RB Where does Etebo fit? Does Ince play? Can Diouf fill in? Where can Hogan play? Why is right back a big decision? Edwards is a good right back. Easy decision.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2019 10:41:34 GMT
Yes that does seem logical Sheiky but I can't help thinking that there isn't anybody else in the squad who would have had the vision (or indeed the ability) to score that first goal yesterday and who would have struck Clucas' second as sweetly? The worry being, that had we started with him at left back and Badou in midfield yesterday, might we have ultimately, only come away with a 2-2 draw? Bruno at left back till January. It'd be nice but he's got to play in the heart of the defence with CCV for me. I'd love to know what's happened to Collins.
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Post by werrington on Nov 10, 2019 10:43:08 GMT
Bruno at left back till January. It'd be nice but he's got to play in the heart of the defence with CCV for me. I'd love to know what's happened to Collins. That situation is bizarre isn’t it A couple of excellent games, made captain and then not seen since his sending off
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:44:25 GMT
Bruno at left back till January. It'd be nice but he's got to play in the heart of the defence with CCV for me. I'd love to know what's happened to Collins. Really don’t rate CCV at centre back tbh. He’s too small and just doesn’t add anything on the ground (interceptions/passing) to get around that.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Nov 10, 2019 10:45:25 GMT
MON has some big decisions to make. LB CB RB Where does Etebo fit? Does Ince play? Can Diouf fill in? Where can Hogan play? Why is right back a big decision? Edwards is a good right back. Easy decision. He was good yesterday. Can’t say he has been the rest of the season. I think we need to bring in a new one and get rid of Smith as back up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:46:55 GMT
Why is right back a big decision? Edwards is a good right back. Easy decision. He was good yesterday. Can’t say he has been the rest of the season. I think we need to bring in a new one and get rid of Smith as back up. He’s been fine overall. People have been very weird with him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 10, 2019 10:47:13 GMT
It's counter intuitive after he was our best player yesterday but with the riches we have in midfield and the gaps everywhere else a best 11 when everyone is fit almost certainly has Clucas at left back. Yes that does seem logical Sheiky but I can't help thinking that there isn't anybody else in the squad who would have had the vision (or indeed the ability) to score that first goal yesterday and who would have struck Clucas' second as sweetly? The worry being, that had we started with him at left back and Badou in midfield yesterday, might we have ultimately, only come away with a 2-2 draw? Yeah, it's a head scratcher for sure. You'd think left back would be top of O'Neil's shopping list in January whatever happens. I just don't see us continually picking up points at the rate required with the defence as it is.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2019 10:47:46 GMT
It'd be nice but he's got to play in the heart of the defence with CCV for me. I'd love to know what's happened to Collins. Really don’t rate CCV at centre back tbh. He’s too small and just doesn’t add anything on the ground (interceptions/passing) to get around that. I wouldn't disagree but I think he's a better option than Batth. That's why I think Bruno HAS to be in there, (as I said) he's the only one I've got any real confidence in in that position at the moment.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 10, 2019 10:51:25 GMT
Really don’t rate CCV at centre back tbh. He’s too small and just doesn’t add anything on the ground (interceptions/passing) to get around that. I wouldn't disagree but I think he's a better option than Batth. That's why I think Bruno HAS to be in there, (as I said) he's the only one I've got any real confidence in in that position at the moment. Yeah Batth is a worry. I never got the love he got last season and he’s just carried it on this season. He chases the ball around like a dog. Which is absolute suicide for a defender. But I still think he’s better than CCV there. We got lucky with Ward yesterday, it wasn’t a penalty but it looked it in real time and he gave the ref a decision to make which is never good. And the second goal is poor from (and Butland). Left back as ever has to be the main priority in January.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 10, 2019 10:55:36 GMT
The defence continues to be a worry both their goals were poor. I too would like Clucas at left back but we simply have to get goals from midfield if we are to continue with a front 3 of Ince Gregory and McClean, all 3 are a long way from natural goalscorers. Gregory is so frustrating, lots of great forward play but his composure in the box is awful, how many chances has he already missed this season? But he takes a decent pen! The midfield is a real conundrum for O'Neill when all are fit and he sticks with a midfield 3 especially because they have to deliver goals and because of that I would favour Clucas Allen and one other.
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 10, 2019 11:00:13 GMT
Absolute credit to James McClean.
Wins the penalty and that tackle in the build up to Clucas’ second was awesome. Great game.
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Post by lordb on Nov 10, 2019 11:05:13 GMT
Bruno at left back till January. It'd be nice but he's got to play in the heart of the defence with CCV for me. I'd love to know what's happened to Collins. Got suspended, then came back and had a howler for U23's Young player having a dip. No story there.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 10, 2019 11:12:34 GMT
It'd be nice but he's got to play in the heart of the defence with CCV for me. I'd love to know what's happened to Collins. Got suspended, then came back and had a howler for U23's Young player having a dip. No story there. What I mean is, is he ready to play at the heart of the defence, in the first team. Because imho, we need (the good) Nathan Collins back in there, desperately, at the moment.
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 10, 2019 11:12:40 GMT
I wouldn't disagree but I think he's a better option than Batth. That's why I think Bruno HAS to be in there, (as I said) he's the only one I've got any real confidence in in that position at the moment. Yeah Batth is a worry. I never got the love he got last season and he’s just carried it on this season. He chases the ball around like a dog. Which is absolute suicide for a defender. But I still think he’s better than CCV there. We got lucky with Ward yesterday, it wasn’t a penalty but it looked it in real time and he gave the ref a decision to make which is never good. And the second goal is poor from (and Butland). Left back as ever has to be the main priority in January. Batth has the biggest 50p head I’ve seen in a long time as well.
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Post by banksisgod on Nov 10, 2019 11:27:56 GMT
The new manager comes with a reputation, albeit at international level, for "giving youth a chance". I have little doubt that, based on what he sees on the training ground daily, if he thinks Collins is good enough, he'll throw him in, regardless of age and inexperience.
I can't wait for a Shawcross/Collins combo, as I think their styles will compliment one another perfectly.
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Post by senojbor on Nov 10, 2019 19:55:41 GMT
Good performance overall from everyone but Butland should have come off his line to clear the through ball instead of standing on his line like a dick for their second. Usain Bolt couldn't have got to the ball before their player, I don't think Federici should have been dropped but Butland was badly exposed by the defence for both goals. Tosh, he never even left his line to narrow the angle! If he did they probably wouldn't have scored. Atrocious goalkeeping
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Post by leicspotter on Nov 11, 2019 19:22:35 GMT
Butland - 6 - cudos for realising our goal celebration could have created an issue Edwards - 6 - out of position for their 1st Bath - 6- more decisive than for a long time "'ave it" Bruno - 8 - immense ward - 5 - played them on side for 2nd goal, slow, but steady Ince - 4 - one tremendous challenge, otherwise a passenger Allen 7 - full of energy, good goal, still gave the ball away too often Clucas 8 - great goals, starting to look like a footballer. Hope the injury isn't serious Woods 7 - always tries to be positive, will surely get better with a run in the side Jimmy Mac - 9 best game in a stoke shirt, made things happen Gregory 9 - superb hold up play, stayed in their half after our 1st goal to stop a quick kick-off (good thinking from him and Butland)...and scores penalties
Badou - 7 - nice control to see the game out Diouf - 6 - I expect to see more of him now, his pace will be useful Vokes - 4 - immobile
Overall, the most impressive aspect of the game was the movement from the whole team, most of this season we have looked ponderous and static
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