PLAYER RATINGS V BARNSLEY

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[londonstokie17]

I'll start then
Butland - 6 - I'd still play Fed - routed to his line
Edwards - 6 - i thought he was at fault for the first or partly - defended well otherwise - ok going forward
Bath 6- clumsy
Bruno - 7 - second was his fault though - routed - although ward played him on
ward - 5 - finished at this level or any level
Ince - 6.5 for his defensive duties - should have done better with his 2 efforts - was largely missing
Allen 8 - everywhere and got a goal
Clucas 9.5 - superb superb goals
Woods 8.5 - thought he was awesome without much football - nice to have someone calm
Jimmy Mac - 9.5 best game in a stoke shirt - he was immense
Gregory 9 - what a shift and can take a pen

[werrington]

10 every one of the fuckers apart from Clucas who gets 11

[ed5993]

** Disclaimer: I was watching online and therefore missed a chunk in the 1st half and last 15 mins.

Butland - 6
Edwards - 6
Batth - 6
BMI - 7
Ward - 6
Woods - 7
Allen - 8
Clucas - 10
Ince - 7
MacLean - 7
Gregory - 9

N'Diaye - 6

[pavel]

Nov 9, 2019 17:45:11 GMT werrington said:

10 every one of the fuckers apart from Clucas who gets 11

This and a honourable mention for Woods who has played very little but looked so assured, calmed it all down and picked his passes, shows what composure on the ball can do.

[stokecity4life]

Watched the whole lot online - cracking performance

Butland - 7
Edwards - 7
Batth - 7
BMI - 8
Ward - 7
Woods - 8
Allen - 8
Clucas - 10
Ince - 8
MacLean - 8
Gregory - 9

N'Diaye - 8

[AlbertTatlock]

Fuck it 10 for the lot of them except for Clucas and Woods the ginger Ninjas who get 20 from me.

Gouranga.

[Robo10]

(Online viewing - whole game)

Butland - 6.5 - not a lot to do really, some good clearing punches, not at fault for goals but maybe could have closed down the second

Edwards - 7.5 - thank fuck he was back
Baath - 5 - gives me kittens alas, so unsure of what he is doing - hurry up Ryan
BMI - 7 - fairly solid, thought their second was his issue
Ward - 4 - is pretty poor

Allen - 7 - worked his bag off
Clucas - 8.5 MOM - Two excellent goals, the first is a great bit of vision, the second...wow
Woods - 7.5 - had a really good game - solid, and positive - thats all it needs Ryan!

Ince - 6 - should have scored 2, worked harder but still not convinced
McClean - 8 - played really well! Good crosses, looked really up for it
Gregory - 7 - I admire his workrate and ability outside the box, but he really needs to be shooting first time and scoring in the 6 yard box!

[robwahlmann]

Butland - 6, no big mistakes and really didn't stand a chance with the 2 goals.
Edwards - 6, solid, but nothing special.
Batth - 6, solid, especially in the air. Not sure if he or Edwards were to blame for the first?
BMI - 6, solid apart from their second where he misjudged an offside situation!
Ward - 5, his best performance, but looks very shaky all the time!
Woods - 7, good performance, but one really bad pass backwards in the second half!
Allen - 7, good game and a goal!
Clucas - 9, probably his best game in a Stoke shirt!
Ince - 7, worked hard, but should have done better on a couple of occations.
MacLean - 7.5, very positive performance!
Gregory - 9, just awesome! MOM

N'Diaye - 6, solid, but only a short time on the pitch.
Diouf- thought he did well, but not on for very long.
Vokes, OK, but not on long enough.

[senojbor]

Good performance overall from everyone but Butland should have come off his line to clear the through ball instead of standing on his line like a dick for their second.

[Veritas]

Nov 9, 2019 18:17:04 GMT senojbor said:

Good performance overall from everyone but Butland should have come off his line to clear the through ball instead of standing on his line like a dick for their second.

Usain Bolt couldn't have got to the ball before their player, I don't think Federici should have been dropped but Butland was badly exposed by the defence for both goals.

[Veritas]

Watched the whole game online

Bupland 6 no chance with either goal, no major issues but kicking a bit mixed

Edwards 5 at fault with Batth for 1st goal, never looked settled

Baath 5 at fault with Edwards for first goal never looked settled

Bruno 6 reasonable except for being at fault with Ward for second goal

Ward 5 at fault with Bruno for second goal and never looked settled

Woods 8 used the ball well throughout

Allen 7 high energy performance and chipped in with a vital goal to calm us down

Clucas 9 two excellent goals and on the front foot throughout

Ince 6 started well even chasing back but fluffed his chances and faded badly

Gregory 7 led the line well with great hold up play and we'll taken penalty but fluffed great chance with poor first touch

McLean 8 immense shift put in never stopped

[mikeyb99]

Not sure how the defence qualifies for all these top marks given the two very poor goals that we conceded!

Butland - 6, solid performance and no chance with the goals though dodgy kicking as usual.
Edwards - 6, suspect defensively but great energy as always.
Batth - 5, anyone know what was going on for their second goal?! Does not convince me at all.
Martins Indi - 6, reasonably solid but needs an organiser alongside him.
Ward - 6, easily his best performance in a Stoke shirt. It’s a low bar though.
Woods - 8, excellent. Good passing, and really got stuck in.
Allen - 7, covered every blade of grass as usual.
Clucas - 9, there’s no-one I’d rather see on the ball with a sight of goal. Aside from the goals, probably his best performance in a Stoke shirt. MOTM.
Ince - 5, minimal contribution, varied between anonymous and disappointing. Should have taken one of the two great chances which were presented to him.
McClean - 8, excellent. Positive going forward and fought as hard as anyone.
Gregory - 8, led the line exceptionally well. If only he hadn’t missed a sitter he’d be a contender for MOTM.

[pavel]

Nov 9, 2019 18:17:04 GMT senojbor said:

Good performance overall from everyone but Butland should have come off his line to clear the through ball instead of standing on his line like a dick for their second.

Butland didn't have a chance in hell of getting to the ball to clear it and there were still two Stoke players around to deal with it. He was sold completely short by his defence and Ward by playing him onside. No blame can be attached to Butland for either goal.

[Sfance]

On-line

The defence in general is very weak, they all panic all the time. We won the game in the middle and up front - except for Ince who was pathetic. Great captain's job from Allen.

Butland - 5 (he's lost it, who knows why)
Edwards - 6
Batth - 6
BMI - 7
Ward - 4
Woods - 7
Allen - 9
Clucas - 10
Ince - 4
MacLean - 7
Gregory - 9

N'Diaye - 7


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[DavidY]

Some people are being incredibly harsh on our full backs. A 4 for Ward really! I'm no fan, and he isn't what we need, but I thought he had a decent game today as did Edwards. Let's rejoice in a good win when pretty much everyone was at least OK and not always look for players to slate.

[cheekymatt71]

Butland - 2 (looked like a part-time keeper for the 2nd when he didnt even bother to close down the angle. Shocking)
Edwards - 6
Batth - 7
BMI - 7
Ward - 5
Woods - 8
Allen - 6
Clucas - 9
Ince - 4
MacLean - 8
Gregory - 9

N'Diaye - 8

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Nov 9, 2019 18:45:12 GMT mikeyb99 said:

Not sure how the defence qualifies for all these top marks given the two very poor goals that we conceded!

Butland - 6, solid performance and no chance with the goals though dodgy kicking as usual.
Edwards - 6, suspect defensively but great energy as always.
Batth - 5, anyone know what was going on for their second goal?! Does not convince me at all.
Martins Indi - 6, reasonably solid but needs an organiser alongside him.
Ward - 6, easily his best performance in a Stoke shirt. It’s a low bar though.
Woods - 8, excellent. Good passing, and really got stuck in.
Allen - 7, covered every blade of grass as usual.
Clucas - 9, there’s no-one I’d rather see on the ball with a sight of goal. Aside from the goals, probably his best performance in a Stoke shirt. MOTM.
Ince - 5, minimal contribution, varied between anonymous and disappointing. Should have taken one of the two great chances which were presented to him.
McClean - 8, excellent. Positive going forward and fought as hard as anyone.
Gregory - 8, led the line exceptionally well. If only he hadn’t missed a sitter he’d be a contender for MOTM.

I agree with all that

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Butland 6

Edwards 6
Batth 6
Martins Indi 6
Ward 6

Woods 7
CLUCAS 8*
Allen 7

Ince 6
Gregory 8
McClean 8

Subs

Ndiaye 7
Diouf 6
Vokes 6

[mickmillslovechild]

Nov 9, 2019 17:49:36 GMT pavel said:

Nov 9, 2019 17:45:11 GMT werrington said:

10 every one of the fuckers apart from Clucas who gets 11

This and a honourable mention for Woods who has played very little but looked so assured, calmed it all down and picked his passes, shows what composure on the ball can do.

Far more like the Woods we first saw after he arrived. Good to see

[maine]

Butland 6 Should at least have given the forward a problem with the second

Edwards 7 Solid display
Batth 6 Fair but needs work on combination play with BMI
Martins Indi 7 Should be first choice in this position
Ward 5 A pretty good player-in his time.

Woods 7 Great first half, dropped off a bit in the second
CLUCAS 9 I've been generally unimpressed with him, going back to his Swansea days-but he was exceptional today
Allen 8. A bit off the pace in the first half, but more than made up for it in the second.

Ince 7. More effort today and looked competent
Gregory 9 Terrific hold up play
McClean 9 Terrific today. His crossing has looked much improved recently, and his effort is always top rate

Subs

Ndiaye 8 Classy footballer
Diouf 5 Par for his course sadly
Vokes 5. See his former Burnley colleague above

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Butland - 6 Did Ok His kicking was largely better

Edwards - 6 A lot to work on, Hard to tell who was more at fault for the first, him or Baath, Woods didnt cover himself in glory either. Needs to show more.

Batth - 6 As mentioned above, not brilliant for the first.

BMI - 6 Did alright

Ward - 5.5 Had a go but not really all there

Woods - 6.5 Defensively caught out in midfield, still persists in fucking about with it at the back when it needs to go into row z. Great range of passing and great vision.

Allen - 7.5 Great shift, looked more effective and less flooded today - whatever system that was suits him much more. Good for him to bag a goal.

Clucas - 8.5 MOM two really good goals. Hard to knock him today, did really well and showed a lot of desire. well done.

Ince - 7 Not much end result but put in a team performance.

MacLean - 8 Same as Ince but with more workrate, he was tireless and did well for the penalty. Quiet for him though.

Gregory - 8 Did really well apart from that chance...

[chicagostokie]

Butland 6 - not at fault for the goals but needs to get his confidence back.

Edwards 6 - needs a run in the team but did okay
Batth 6 - puts his body on the line but I never have much confidence in him
Martins Indi 7 - BMI needs a decent partner, Shawcross or Collins
Ward 6 - I think he will improve with games, but we need to sign a LB

Woods 7 - faded a bit second half which could be expected, but he should start every game
CLUCAS 9 - wow! He's show glimpses of how good he can be, let's hope this is the start of great things.
Allen 7 - I feel much better when Allen is in a position that he's comfortable in and can't go full 'headless chicken', much better

Ince 6 - he's a player that does well in a winning team, he showed more fight today and I think will come good as we (hopefully) move up the table
Gregory 7 - works hard, took his penalty well, but needs to start and finish chances to be a regular striker
McClean 8 - everything you expect from him, especially now he's back in his best position

Subs

Ndiaye 7 - presumably he will be a starter moving forward as our best fielder, nice cameo
Diouf 6 - I'm glad Mama is back in the squad, we need fight and high pressing right now and he offers that, especially as a sub and some competition for Ince

I think most of the players today will only improve once we consistently play the same formation and stop chopping and changing.

[hyaduck]

Nov 10, 2019 2:21:16 GMT chicagostokie said:

Butland 6 - not at fault for the goals but needs to get his confidence back.

Edwards 6 - needs a run in the team but did okay
Batth 6 - puts his body on the line but I never have much confidence in him
Martins Indi 7 - BMI needs a decent partner, Shawcross or Collins
Ward 6 - I think he will improve with games, but we need to sign a LB

Woods 7 - faded a bit second half which could be expected, but he should start every game
CLUCAS 9 - wow! He's show glimpses of how good he can be, let's hope this is the start of great things.
Allen 7 - I feel much better when Allen is in a position that he's comfortable in and can't go full 'headless chicken', much better

Ince 6 - he's a player that does well in a winning team, he showed more fight today and I think will come good as we (hopefully) move up the table
Gregory 7 - works hard, took his penalty well, but needs to start and finish chances to be a regular striker
McClean 8 - everything you expect from him, especially now he's back in his best position

Subs

Ndiaye 7 - presumably he will be a starter moving forward as our best fielder, nice cameo
Diouf 6 - I'm glad Mama is back in the squad, we need fight and high pressing right now and he offers that, especially as a sub and some competition for Ince

I think most of the players today will only improve once we consistently play the same formation and stop chopping and changing.

Bet you won’t be saying that about Diouf when keeps falling over, runs the ball out of play and generally fucks up

[marcofstoke]

Nov 9, 2019 18:45:21 GMT pavel said:

Nov 9, 2019 18:17:04 GMT senojbor said:

Good performance overall from everyone but Butland should have come off his line to clear the through ball instead of standing on his line like a dick for their second.

Butland didn't have a chance in hell of getting to the ball to clear it and there were still two Stoke players around to deal with it. He was sold completely short by his defence and Ward by playing him onside. No blame can be attached to Butland for either goal.

Really? His effort or should I say lack of it on that second goal is ridiculous, he might as well have stepped aside and let the Barnsley player have an uninterrupted run through, in fact that’s virtually what he did!

[jeycov]

An extra week (for those not on international duty) to get some treatment if needed

[Paul Spencer]

Nov 9, 2019 18:11:23 GMT Robo10 said:

(Online viewing - whole game)

Butland - 6.5 - not a lot to do really, some good clearing punches, not at fault for goals but maybe could have closed down the second

Edwards - 7.5 - thank fuck he was back
Baath - 5 - gives me kittens alas, so unsure of what he is doing - hurry up Ryan
BMI - 7 - fairly solid, thought their second was his issue
Ward - 4 - is pretty poor

Allen - 7 - worked his bag off
Clucas - 8.5 MOM - Two excellent goals, the first is a great bit of vision, the second...wow
Woods - 7.5 - had a really good game - solid, and positive - thats all it needs Ryan!

Ince - 6 - should have scored 2, worked harder but still not convinced
McClean - 8 - played really well! Good crosses, looked really up for it
Gregory - 7 - I admire his workrate and ability outside the box, but he really needs to be shooting first time and scoring in the 6 yard box!

I think that's a very fair appraisal, although I wouldn't have gone quite as high for Edwards.

Apart from Bruno, the defence is a real worry.

We've got an abundance of riches in midfield.

But upfront is an issue too, Gregory works his absolute sack off but how long are we going to go on seeing him waste excellent chances?

When Etebo is fit, who misses out from Badou, Clucas, Etebo and Allen?

I have absolutely no idea who should play at left back. I'm sure Clucas would do a better job than any of the other candidates but what a waste that would be. I'd want Bruno to stay in the heart of the defence.

[sheikhmomo]

Nov 10, 2019 10:16:37 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Nov 9, 2019 18:11:23 GMT Robo10 said:

(Online viewing - whole game)

Butland - 6.5 - not a lot to do really, some good clearing punches, not at fault for goals but maybe could have closed down the second

Edwards - 7.5 - thank fuck he was back
Baath - 5 - gives me kittens alas, so unsure of what he is doing - hurry up Ryan
BMI - 7 - fairly solid, thought their second was his issue
Ward - 4 - is pretty poor

Allen - 7 - worked his bag off
Clucas - 8.5 MOM - Two excellent goals, the first is a great bit of vision, the second...wow
Woods - 7.5 - had a really good game - solid, and positive - thats all it needs Ryan!

Ince - 6 - should have scored 2, worked harder but still not convinced
McClean - 8 - played really well! Good crosses, looked really up for it
Gregory - 7 - I admire his workrate and ability outside the box, but he really needs to be shooting first time and scoring in the 6 yard box!

I think that's a very fair appraisal, although I wouldn't have gone quite as high for Edwards.

Apart from Bruno, the defence is a real worry.

We've got an abundance of riches in midfield.

But upfront is an issue too, Gregory works his absolute sack off but how long are we going to go on seeing him waste excellent chances?

When Etebo is fit, who misses out from Badou, Clucas, Etebo and Allen?

I have absolutely no idea who should play at left back. I'm sure Clucas would do a better job than any of the other candidates but what a waste that would be. I'd want Bruno to stay in the heart of the defence.

It's counter intuitive after he was our best player yesterday but with the riches we have in midfield and the gaps everywhere else a best 11 when everyone is fit almost certainly has Clucas at left back.

[Laughing Gravy]

Nov 10, 2019 10:28:31 GMT sheikhmomo said:

Nov 10, 2019 10:16:37 GMT Paul Spencer said:

I think that's a very fair appraisal, although I wouldn't have gone quite as high for Edwards.

Apart from Bruno, the defence is a real worry.

We've got an abundance of riches in midfield.

But upfront is an issue too, Gregory works his absolute sack off but how long are we going to go on seeing him waste excellent chances?

When Etebo is fit, who misses out from Badou, Clucas, Etebo and Allen?

I have absolutely no idea who should play at left back. I'm sure Clucas would do a better job than any of the other candidates but what a waste that would be. I'd want Bruno to stay in the heart of the defence.

It's counter intuitive after he was our best player yesterday but with the riches we have in midfield and the gaps everywhere else a best 11 when everyone is fit almost certainly has Clucas at left back.

Only until January.
Then a minimum of 2 fullbacks (right and left) is an absolute must.

[bayernoatcake]

Nov 10, 2019 10:28:31 GMT sheikhmomo said:

Nov 10, 2019 10:16:37 GMT Paul Spencer said:

I think that's a very fair appraisal, although I wouldn't have gone quite as high for Edwards.

Apart from Bruno, the defence is a real worry.

We've got an abundance of riches in midfield.

But upfront is an issue too, Gregory works his absolute sack off but how long are we going to go on seeing him waste excellent chances?

When Etebo is fit, who misses out from Badou, Clucas, Etebo and Allen?

I have absolutely no idea who should play at left back. I'm sure Clucas would do a better job than any of the other candidates but what a waste that would be. I'd want Bruno to stay in the heart of the defence.

It's counter intuitive after he was our best player yesterday but with the riches we have in midfield and the gaps everywhere else a best 11 when everyone is fit almost certainly has Clucas at left back.

Etebo for Allen or not at all surely?

Clucas is our biggest goalscoring threat and has been all season.

For him to move to left back Gregory needs to be less of a useless fucker in front of goal. Ince needs to find some form and McClean needs to become something he’s never really been. And Etebo has to do something tangible rather than just dribble then do nowt with it.