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Oct 27, 2019 7:53:23 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Oct 27, 2019 7:53:23 GMT
We could always just sponsor the stadium for an obscene amount like Man City did you can’t do stuff like that anymore mate Derby are potentially in trouble as Mel Morris (derby owner) has bought the stadium off Derby for a huge figure to get around it. Unfortunately the league are all over stuff like this
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Oct 27, 2019 7:56:42 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 27, 2019 7:56:42 GMT
We could always just sponsor the stadium for an obscene amount like Man City did you can’t do stuff like that anymore mate Derby are potentially in trouble as Mel Morris (derby owner) has bought the stadium off Derby for a huge figure to get around it. Unfortunately the league are all over stuff like this Apparently Derby are on the verge of a takeover/investment if local press have it right.Not that this wouldn’t matter though in FFP stakes
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 27, 2019 8:18:00 GMT
I don’t like FFP because it really hasn’t solved anything because the big clubs are still spending big. I can understand it with the clubs who’s owners don’t have the capital but our owners do they just aren’t allowed to spend it through a points deduction. What I do want to know is if we’re in such a mess why did we spend money on the dross we did at the start of the season just to make things even worse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 8:21:51 GMT
I don’t like FFP because it really hasn’t solved anything because the big clubs are still spending big. I can understand it with the clubs who’s owners don’t have the capital but our owners do they just aren’t allowed to spend it through a points deduction. What I do want to know is if we’re in such a mess why did we spend money on the dross we did at the start of the season just to make things even worse. It's because the club have a flawed transfer process that they still unbelievably think is ok, so in their minds the money wasn't spent on dross - it was well invested.
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Oct 27, 2019 8:44:03 GMT
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Post by walton corner on Oct 27, 2019 8:44:03 GMT
We could always just sponsor the stadium for an obscene amount like Man City did you can’t do stuff like that anymore mate Derby are potentially in trouble as Mel Morris (derby owner) has bought the stadium off Derby for a huge figure to get around it. Unfortunately the league are all over stuff like this They are not all over it that’s why Man City Aston Villa have all done it
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Oct 30, 2019 6:21:04 GMT
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Post by rawli on Oct 30, 2019 6:21:04 GMT
My guess is we can't afford to sack Nathan and his staff and appoint someone else and their staff. Surely there are some creative ways we can get around the problem.
Why not pay the new manager sod all but make him a football consultant to Bet365 with a vastly inflated salary?
Also getting rid of Scholes would represent a good saving. Selling the training ground and leasing it back (if the club owns it).
Any other ideas?
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Oct 30, 2019 7:37:20 GMT
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2019 7:37:20 GMT
Getting promotion is the best way!
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Oct 30, 2019 7:55:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 7:55:09 GMT
I honestly don't know what they're going to do in the event of relegation. We'll probably be onto our fourth manager since Mark Hughes yet will still have the likes of Wimmer and Imbula on the payroll earning god knows what and that's before you even start on the likes of Bauer, Allen, Butland and Shawcross.
Then you get to the lavishly overpaid Rowett lot.
What does our income drop to, 6M a year?
Ouch.
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Post by lordb on Oct 30, 2019 8:35:44 GMT
you can’t do stuff like that anymore mate Derby are potentially in trouble as Mel Morris (derby owner) has bought the stadium off Derby for a huge figure to get around it. Unfortunately the league are all over stuff like this They are not all over it that’s why Man City Aston Villa have all done it Man City aren't in the Football League
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Oct 30, 2019 8:41:23 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 30, 2019 8:41:23 GMT
I honestly don't know what they're going to do in the event of relegation. We'll probably be onto our fourth manager since Mark Hughes yet will still have the likes of Wimmer and Imbula on the payroll earning god knows what and that's before you even start on the likes of Bauer, Allen, Butland and Shawcross. Then you get to the lavishly overpaid Rowett lot. What does our income drop to, 6M a year? Ouch. We'll be completely buggered. Our only option will be to accept super cut price offers on them or even worse, pay them off as free agents. And even then, no fucking club in their right mind would pay the obscene amount of wages those players will be on and they'll be quote happy to sit on their bumper contracts. As for Allen, Shawcross, Butland, I'd suspect Ryan would stay, but he'd need a reduced wage packet. Allen and Butland would probably gain interest but not for much money and we'd have no choice but to accept. It's a shocking situation we may find ourselves in around 6 months time.
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Oct 30, 2019 8:47:47 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 30, 2019 8:47:47 GMT
No one really knows the state we are in financially when it comes to FFP and it isn't really a topic you can have much of an opinion on with no facts to base one from.
However, IF there are issues in replacing NJ for financial reasons, surely now we are not paying Rowett any longer, this would open a window?
For sure we must look to a manager out of employment rather than in employment, we can't be paying current managers off and then compensation for new ones anymore!
That being said, if we were this hamstrung financially regarding the managerial appointment, it makes the risk of taking an untested, quite inexperienced Nathan Jones, even barmier!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 30, 2019 10:11:33 GMT
Completely made up because it is impossible to know at this point. We will have a much better idea of where we are when we see the financial results for last season, usually published late November. We are allowed to lose £83 million in 2017/18. 2018/19 and 2019/20 combined.We lost £30 million in 2017/18 largely due to writing down the value of players. With parachute payments of over £40m last season and over £30 million this and maybe £20 million next season, it will all depend on how much we reduced our wages from the £94 million in 2017/18. Most likely our poor performance on the pitch will help as there cant be many bonuses being paid. For SLP to be right, we would be forecasting losses of £113 million over the three seasons which would mean losing an average of over £40 million this season and next season, that seems a lot
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Oct 30, 2019 11:13:27 GMT
Post by magwitch on Oct 30, 2019 11:13:27 GMT
Ironically this comes from UEFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer?
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Post by wammy on Oct 30, 2019 11:15:36 GMT
Ironically this comes from EUFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer? What a load of shit..
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 30, 2019 11:23:45 GMT
Ironically this comes from EUFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer? I don't even know where to start with this.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2019 11:26:08 GMT
Ironically this comes from EUFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer? That bloody EUFA. The EU taking over the FA with their straight bananas.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 30, 2019 11:34:27 GMT
Ironically this comes from EUFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer? There's several forms of FFP in play which are completely distinct from one another. It's why clubs can break EFL FFP and avoid punishment because they are then outside the jurisdiction of the EFL when promoted. UEFA FFP (Applies to all those in European competitions) Premier League FFP (Applies to all those in the Premier League) EFL FFP (Applies to all those in the football league, dependent on what tier). It's fuck all to do with UEFA, unless we're secretly in the Champions League.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 30, 2019 11:35:52 GMT
Ironically this comes from EUFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer? 100 per cent wrong. It is nothing to do with UEFA at all, it is all set by the Emglish Football League, each dividiosn sets its own rules
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 30, 2019 11:42:55 GMT
Ironically this comes from EUFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer? Don't be such a div.
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Oct 30, 2019 14:44:11 GMT
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Post by werrington on Oct 30, 2019 14:44:11 GMT
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Oct 30, 2019 15:00:33 GMT
Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 30, 2019 15:00:33 GMT
Lets all hope when NJ is saying his bedside prayers at night someone up there is listening because if they aren't we are totally screwed by the look of it.
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Oct 30, 2019 19:45:55 GMT
Post by basingstokie on Oct 30, 2019 19:45:55 GMT
They might be trying to get the club relegated, so its losing money so Bet365 can be seen as losing money, to pay less tax. After not being in the prem and getting the Tv money, it might be the best for their balance sheet! Unusual business strategy that one, lets make a fat loss so we pay less tax. Or you could aim to make a nice profit & pay a bit of tax on your profits You'll always have more money left over if you take the latter option
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Oct 30, 2019 20:01:21 GMT
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Post by rawli on Oct 30, 2019 20:01:21 GMT
Ironically this comes from EUFA not the FA, and Peter Coates is a big believer in the EU and is an unreconstructed remainer, or was when he appeared on Question Time. In my opinion Stoke will be staring administration in the face if they do not take action now. So is Peter Coates still a remainer? J Hates C
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Oct 30, 2019 20:05:01 GMT
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Post by rawli on Oct 30, 2019 20:05:01 GMT
I don’t like FFP because it really hasn’t solved anything because the big clubs are still spending big. I can understand it with the clubs who’s owners don’t have the capital but our owners do they just aren’t allowed to spend it through a points deduction. What I do want to know is if we’re in such a mess why did we spend money on the dross we did at the start of the season just to make things even worse. It's there to safeguard the big clubs and ensure no one else can get to the top table. So it has solved that problem.
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Oct 30, 2019 22:41:48 GMT
Post by magwitch on Oct 30, 2019 22:41:48 GMT
The UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations (FFP) were established to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success and in doing so getting into financial problems which might threaten their long-term survival.[1] They were agreed to in principle in September 2009 by the Financial Control Panel of football's governing body in Europe (Union of European Football asociations – UEFA).
The regulations provide for sanctions to be taken against clubs who exceed spending, over several seasons, within a set budgetary framework. Implementation of the regulations took place at the outset of the 2011–12 football season.[2] The severest penalty is disqualification from the European competitions.[3] Other penalties included fines, the withholding of prize money, and player transfer bans.
On announcing the new legislation, former UEFA President Michel Platini said,
Fifty per cent of clubs are losing money and this is an increasing trend. We needed to stop this downward spiral. They have spent more than they have earned in the past and haven't paid their debts. We don't want to kill or hurt the clubs; on the contrary, we want to help them in the market. The teams who play in our tournaments have unanimously agreed to our principles…living within your means is the basis of accounting but it hasn't been the basis of football for years now. The owners are asking for rules because they can't implement them themselves – many of them have had it with shovelling money into clubs and the more money you put into clubs, the harder it is to sell at a profit.[1]
Platini went on to say that the measures were supported by the majority of football club owners, and that an independent panel would be set up to judge whether clubs had broken the rules.[4] Although the intentions of encouraging greater financial caution in football have been well-received, FFP has been criticised as illegal by limiting the internal market, failing to reduce football club debt and protecting the status quo.[5][6][7] In 2015, UEFA announced FFP would be "eased" in response to a number of lawsuits which are currently ongoing in courts.[8]
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Nov 8, 2019 22:36:48 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Nov 8, 2019 22:36:48 GMT
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Post by magwitch on Nov 8, 2019 23:30:30 GMT
The EU provides rules and regulations for everyone else to follow whilst completely ignoring the law as it applies to them. Their accounts for instance have not been passed by the auditors for over 20 years. Any auditor who questions their figues will be dismissed, and have their pension stolen. They are criminals by all normal standards, but amazingly Parliament wants to be governed by them. Shows what a set of idiots our politicians are, and all remainers for that matter also.
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Nov 9, 2019 1:38:31 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 9, 2019 1:38:31 GMT
Ah the contingent on sales one got in early , good luck with that one Michael we’ve a process which may not have been explained yet it’s TFIU ( Tony fucks it up ) give it a few months and you won’t be surprised it’s everything he touches but it won’t stop you getting the sack .
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Nov 9, 2019 2:10:10 GMT
Post by tony1234 on Nov 9, 2019 2:10:10 GMT
Whichever league we are in, Stoke City in 12mths time will not look like the team we have now. Perhaps a good thing! Michael needs to be a good spot of a player on the cheap and be able to capture some good loans.
Under the curtain of "undisclosed" transfer fees (i.e. the board are too embarrassed to admit the world how little we get or how much we pay), think we'll see Allen go for 6-8 to Burnley/Watford (or even perhaps even a wealthier or promoted Champs club like Fulham/WBA - or a newly relegated club having their splurge); Butland 8-10 to similar; Etebo for 8-10; N'Diaye for 4-5; BMI or Shawx for 2-3. And Collins to MU for 8 then loaned back. We'll give Hogan, Duffy and CCV back. Ward and Diouf leave.
Maybe the path clears for Sorensen, Campbell and Tymon and Verlinden. And wouldn't be surprised to see that we've recruited Cory Evans, Oliver Norwood or George Saville as parts of our new midfield. But perhaps also a player or two he spotted that he came up against. Is Stoke's first Estonian a matter of mere months away?
Fed Edwards Batth Collins Tymon Woods Evans Verlinden Kait* Campbell Gregory
*Promising 21yr old Estonian CAM/CF from Domzale in the Slovenian league
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Nov 9, 2019 8:20:01 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 9, 2019 8:20:01 GMT
The original post just isn't true.
Lots of people talk about ffp without reading the rules.
No doubt we will look to sell players, including our better known one's, but a good chunk of that will be spent on new players.
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