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Post by leicspotter on Oct 17, 2019 18:34:25 GMT
Statistically maybe Stoke's most successful manager (4th pace finish in top flight), born this day in 1891. Full details on official site I have his signature on two telegrams (1930's e-mail for the younger posters  ) inviting my Dad for trials at SCFC |
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Post by newsteadst3 on Oct 17, 2019 18:57:07 GMT
Looked a right hard man.
Never really gets a mention in the legend ranks considering how many games he played and also managed us.
Take it he was a hatchet man type player
Like that Argentine who played for the stoker's
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Post by jarvinski on Oct 17, 2019 19:13:45 GMT
Clueless tosser, lost the championship by selling Stan 5 weeks from the end of the season, when we were top
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 17, 2019 19:48:27 GMT
Statistically maybe Stoke's most successful manager (4th pace finish in top flight), born this day in 1891. Full details on official site I have his signature on two telegrams (1930's e-mail for the younger posters ) inviting my Dad for trials at SCFC The fact he’s probably one of the top 5 just reinforces how bad we have been for 150+ years! I live in hope of a Fergie-like dynasty being built by someone, anyone, at Stoke! |
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2019 19:54:03 GMT
Clueless tosser, lost the championship by selling Stan 5 weeks from the end of the season, when we were top He got us top though |
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Post by zerps on Oct 17, 2019 19:54:33 GMT
Statistically maybe Stoke's most successful manager (4th pace finish in top flight), born this day in 1891. Full details on official site I have his signature on two telegrams (1930's e-mail for the younger posters ) inviting my Dad for trials at SCFC The fact he’s probably one of the top 5 just reinforces how bad we have been for 150+ years! I live in hope of a Fergie-like dynasty being built by someone, anyone, at Stoke! Jones, it’s started. |
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 17, 2019 20:22:09 GMT
The fact he’s probably one of the top 5 just reinforces how bad we have been for 150+ years! I live in hope of a Fergie-like dynasty being built by someone, anyone, at Stoke! Jones, it’s started. Let’s just win our next game for now! |
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 17, 2019 20:23:51 GMT
Clueless tosser, lost the championship by selling Stan 5 weeks from the end of the season, when we were top He got us top though Was it my imagination or were we first or second in the Prem at one time (after only one or two games of course) |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 17, 2019 21:12:44 GMT
He always gets a lot of bad press, which presumably is justified, but are there any references that are kind to him?
He is villified for selling Stan but he did achieve a 4th place. He lost the last match which cost the championship, but we didn't win every match Stan played in, and Stan missed matches due to injury some of which we won.
I think he also built a team of 100% local lads, which probably wasn't a fluke but a lot of hard work.
It should also be remembered that in those days, the manager did almost everything to run the club.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 18, 2019 5:01:43 GMT
Clueless tosser, lost the championship by selling Stan 5 weeks from the end of the season, when we were top Not a 'Clueless Tosser' at all. Stan wanted to leave Stoke. It was Stan's decision. |
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Post by Gods on Oct 18, 2019 6:16:45 GMT
One of the greats from what I can read, presided over the good times like Waddington, Pulis and dare I say it Hughes, etched in to our history.
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Post by stantheman on Oct 18, 2019 9:21:20 GMT
Clueless tosser, lost the championship by selling Stan 5 weeks from the end of the season, when we were top What a rancid post. Remembering someone who gave his all for the club. Clueless tosser? Give your head a wobble. Doubt you would have said that to his face. |
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Post by magwitch on Oct 18, 2019 9:33:38 GMT
Clueless tosser, lost the championship by selling Stan 5 weeks from the end of the season, when we were top What a rancid post. Remembering someone who gave his all for the club. Clueless tosser? Give your head a wobble. Doubt you would have said that to his face. Unfortunately this is an accurate comment. He was the luckiest manager in Stoke City history and blew it all away in spectacular fashion by his own ego, condemning the Club to its longest spell up to then of mediocrity in the old second division. |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 18, 2019 10:45:30 GMT
In my view, only Adolf Hitler preventing Stoke from becoming First Division Champions as the team was very much on the up in the late 30's but was in decline after the war - the departures of Matthew and Franklin contributing to this.
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Post by magwitch on Oct 18, 2019 11:28:42 GMT
In my view, only Adolf Hitler preventing Stoke from becoming First Division Champions as the team was very much on the up in the late 30's but was in decline after the war - the departures of Matthew and Franklin contributing to this. To blame everything on Hitler is a complete cop out for McGrory. The 30s team had no Franklin whereas the 45 to 50 team had Franklin at his peak. if you read the published history both players fell out with McGrory and that was the reason for their premature departure. This is recorded history from the players themselves, not my opinion. |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Oct 18, 2019 15:24:14 GMT
In my view, only Adolf Hitler preventing Stoke from becoming First Division Champions as the team was very much on the up in the late 30's but was in decline after the war - the departures of Matthew and Franklin contributing to this. To blame everything on Hitler is a complete cop out for McGrory. The 30s team had no Franklin whereas the 45 to 50 team had Franklin at his peak. if you read the published history both players fell out with McGrory and that was the reason for their premature departure. This is recorded history from the players themselves, not my opinion. I think you are misinterpreting what I was trying to say. I am not questioning your judgement on McGrory's latter days but according to the Club's history of the late 30's Stoke were "generally accepted as one of the best all-round sides in the country. In addition, McGrory groomed the younger players and gave them the opportunity of appearing in the first XI". After the war it was a different matter with several players having fall-outs with the manager, so some of the reasons for Stoke's steady decline after 1947 could be laid at the manager's door. The point of my post was that the war interrupted what could have been a very successful era for the club. The verdict on McGrory after his resignation in 1952 was "Stoke, to this day, will be fortunate if they ever find his equal" |
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Post by magwitch on Oct 18, 2019 17:17:22 GMT
I certainly agree with you that Stoke were very unfortunate in the timing of WW2, but the mistakes in the last 5 years of McGrory's career take some explaining.
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 18, 2019 17:46:20 GMT
Both players mentioned above are also on record as saying that money was also a factor in them leaving
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 18, 2019 18:19:21 GMT
Based on his autobiography and the recent biography, surely the main reason Franklin wanted to leave was the constant criticism of his style of play by McGrory and others.
Even today some of us oldies find the possession football with constant sideways and backwards passing, occasionally venturing forward, very frustrating. In those days with sides having 5 forwards it was a total anathema for a defender to venture forward with the ball.
Franklin stuck to his beliefs, although his frustration at not being given a transfer to somewhere where he would be more appreciated, led to him make the fateful step to walk out of the club, for which he was made to pay bitterly.
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) inviting my Dad for trials at SCFC 
