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Post by mattador78 on Oct 15, 2019 18:52:12 GMT
England also charged by UEFA for fans disrespecting the national anthem of Bulgaria 👍 That's fair enough. It's a rule they've also broken. Just because of what happened later with the Bulgarian fans shouldn't mean our lot are just let off for anything they do. True but I bet the fines are similar
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 15, 2019 20:48:28 GMT
That's fair enough. It's a rule they've also broken. Just because of what happened later with the Bulgarian fans shouldn't mean our lot are just let off for anything they do. True but I bet the fines are similar Was going to say, that's what would definitely really fuck me off and actually is a legitimate concern to be fair to you. I know all the British media and pundits keep saying it was a "seminal" moment and UEFA will have to do something now, but will they and was it really a seminal moment...or are the English media saying that simply because it happened to England this time so we noticed it more? It's not as if it hasn't happened before and UEFA have just slapped wrists and largely ignored it...the reason parts of the ground were already closed off last night was specifically because it's happened before. That game (vs Kosovo) was televised in Bulgaria and Kosovo as well, it's just that the British media and pundits largely didn't react because it wasn't England involved. I'm sure the Kosovan pundits were thinking it was a "seminal monent" and UEFA would HAVE to act as well that night, but in reality it was a token gesture from the powers that be. I don't actually see why everyone is so convinced it will be any different this time really
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 21:01:24 GMT
"Why are they targeting Mings for abuse? It's a bit odd" Can you explain to me why it's a stupid question? If he was the only black English player/staff member I would agree, but he's not is he. If the racial abuse was targeted at Chris Powell would it have been a stupid question, of course not. There are answers to both. They might target Mings because it's his debut or because he saw a lot of the ball or both. They might have targeted Powell because he's closest to them. Etc etc for any player. The crass answer is "because he's black, obvs" which is exactly what you plucked for, giving an air of amusement to the racial abuse of black players, when it isn't really funny at all. What bollocks. It’s not the crass answer, it’s the answer. Hence why it was a stupid bastard question. It's only bollocks and not a crass answer if you genuinely believed that the OP asked the question because he didn't know Mings was black and/or didn't know he was being abused because he was black. Given the heavy press coverage on the issue, the fact that the game had been stopped twice before his post for that, and that there were two posts preceding his (one of which was about Mings) relating to Nazi salutes and monkey chants, it makes the likelihood of that zero. Therefore, your response was a crass attempt at humour and attempting to defend yourself with "well what a stupid question" is a tad embarrassing.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 16, 2019 9:39:05 GMT
That's fair enough. It's a rule they've also broken. Just because of what happened later with the Bulgarian fans shouldn't mean our lot are just let off for anything they do. True but I bet the fines are similar The thing which indicates quite how seriously Uefa takes racism in football is the paltry punishments they dish out. It may have been mentioned earlier but the Montenegro FA were fined £17k in June this year for very similar orchestrated racial abuse against Englands black players. Compare that to the fine dished out to Niclas Bendtner in 2012 for dropping his shorts to reveal a betting company logo on his pants. Fined £80,000. You can see where Uefa, Fifa and to some degree the FA's priorities lie. Sponsorship and the protection of the corporate image. Only when that image is threatened by International exposure, and therefore potential loss of sponsorship, will they do anything. Until then they will continue to pay lip service to tackling racism in football.
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Post by georgieboy52 on Oct 16, 2019 12:01:05 GMT
True but I bet the fines are similar The thing which indicates quite how seriously Uefa takes racism in football is the paltry punishments they dish out. It may have been mentioned earlier but the Montenegro FA were fined £17k in June this year for very similar orchestrated racial abuse against Englands black players. Compare that to the fine dished out to Niclas Bendtner in 2012 for dropping his shorts to reveal a betting company logo on his pants. Fined £80,000. You can see where Uefa, Fifa and to some degree the FA's priorities lie. Sponsorship and the protection of the corporate image. Only when that image is threatened by International exposure, and therefore potential loss of sponsorship, will they do anything. Until then they will continue to pay lip service to tackling racism in football. What do you make of Raheem's assault rifle ?
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Post by stokefc on Oct 16, 2019 12:04:06 GMT
The thing which indicates quite how seriously Uefa takes racism in football is the paltry punishments they dish out. It may have been mentioned earlier but the Montenegro FA were fined £17k in June this year for very similar orchestrated racial abuse against Englands black players. Compare that to the fine dished out to Niclas Bendtner in 2012 for dropping his shorts to reveal a betting company logo on his pants. Fined £80,000. You can see where Uefa, Fifa and to some degree the FA's priorities lie. Sponsorship and the protection of the corporate image. Only when that image is threatened by International exposure, and therefore potential loss of sponsorship, will they do anything. Until then they will continue to pay lip service to tackling racism in football. What do you make of Raheem's assault rifle ? Thought it was the crouchbot 🤔
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 16, 2019 12:37:21 GMT
England fined £16,000 after an under 21 player is seen on TV during a match drinking from a bottle which was not an official sponsor.
Russia fined £22,000 for fans racially abusing black French players.
FIFA and UEFA are both still purely motivated by money. If their approach is ever to change, their corporate partners need pressuring to voice their concerns about being associated with organisations that do not take racial abuse seriously... watch how quick the fines issued by FIFA and UEFA for racial abuse increase then.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 16, 2019 12:42:56 GMT
The thing which indicates quite how seriously Uefa takes racism in football is the paltry punishments they dish out. It may have been mentioned earlier but the Montenegro FA were fined £17k in June this year for very similar orchestrated racial abuse against Englands black players. Compare that to the fine dished out to Niclas Bendtner in 2012 for dropping his shorts to reveal a betting company logo on his pants. Fined £80,000. You can see where Uefa, Fifa and to some degree the FA's priorities lie. Sponsorship and the protection of the corporate image. Only when that image is threatened by International exposure, and therefore potential loss of sponsorship, will they do anything. Until then they will continue to pay lip service to tackling racism in football. What do you make of Raheem's assault rifle ? I think he's a bit of a twat for having it done as you ask. Although he's claimed it has a personal message. However, I fail to see any connection between that and the discussion about racism in football and the governing body's abject failure to even attempt to deal with it adequately. I assume you see a correlation?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 16, 2019 16:43:16 GMT
There will be more fall out from this week, it seems that a young man died whilst in the custody of the bulgarian police. Condolences to his family.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 17:52:36 GMT
There will be more fall out from this week, it seems that a young man died whilst in the custody of the bulgarian police. Condolences to his family. He was reportedly feeling sick & then he was found in a helpless way by ambulance staff in the centre on Monday morning. A very sad story whatever happened.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 16, 2019 18:42:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 21:48:16 GMT
The more I read about this story the more confusing it gets. Hope they find the answers they deserve. RIP lad.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 29, 2019 15:04:37 GMT
At least this way, they'll learn their lesson. 🙄
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Post by Davef on Oct 29, 2019 15:08:31 GMT
At least this way, they'll learn their lesson. 🙄 Those two matches are Paraguay and Czech Republic. Those games wouldn't have attracted 10,000 between them. What a joke.
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Post by samba :) on Oct 30, 2019 12:56:26 GMT
At least this way, they'll learn their lesson. 🙄 I can't quite understand what they mean by "one suspended for two years"
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Post by Davef on Oct 30, 2019 16:56:30 GMT
At least this way, they'll learn their lesson. 🙄 I can't quite understand what they mean by "one suspended for two years" It means if there's a repeat of their behaviour, they'll have to play another game behind closed doors. Which is a bit stupid, because if there's a repeat of that kind of behaviour, then another punishment must surely be handed out to them?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 30, 2019 17:20:14 GMT
I can't quite understand what they mean by "one suspended for two years" It means if there's a repeat of their behaviour, they'll have to play another game behind closed doors. Which is a bit stupid, because if there's a repeat of that kind of behaviour, then another punishment must surely be handed out to them? They already had a half stadium closure for the game against us for previous racism against Kosovo. I really don't know why people thought the punishment would be much different for what they did against us. It's not as if anyone (apart from English fans) would see what they did as any different or any worse than what they've done against other international sides over the years. We're not any more special than Kosovo for instance. Their inaction against racism has always been pathetic, it wasn't going to be any different this time. Yes, it's a joke of a punishment but i don't get why anyone expected anything else just because it was "us".
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