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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2019 11:18:35 GMT
Not what you thought.
John Farmer, Peschisolido and Tuncay...... three players that we did not make the most of, in my opinion.
I think that Farmer should have been given a run following Banks's accident...Setters didn't really help apparently.
Any thoughts?
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2019 11:20:19 GMT
Not what you thought. John Farmer, Peschisolido and Tuncay...... three players that we did not make the most of, in my opinion. I think that Farmer should have been given a run following Banks's accident...Setters didn't really help apparently. Any thoughts? Farmy had a run. But Waddo didn't fancy him. Hence Shilton |
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 13, 2019 11:22:53 GMT
John Farmer was an excellent and massively underrated keeper - from Biddulph I think? Peter Shilton, on the other hand, was the opposite.
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Post by march4 on Oct 13, 2019 11:23:32 GMT
Not what you thought. John Farmer, Peschisolido and Tuncay...... three players that we did not make the most of, in my opinion. I think that Farmer should have been given a run following Banks's accident...Setters didn't really help apparently. Any thoughts? Farmy had a run. But Waddo didn't fancy him. Hence Shilton Better keeper yet a worse team once Shilts arrived. Defenders always looked happier with Farmer. Got to know John well when he was selling crisps in the 1980s. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2019 11:34:08 GMT
Not what you thought. John Farmer, Peschisolido and Tuncay...... three players that we did not make the most of, in my opinion. I think that Farmer should have been given a run following Banks's accident...Setters didn't really help apparently. Any thoughts? Farmy had a run. But Waddo didn't fancy him. Hence Shilton I think that Waddo was ahead of his time in the English game in respect of knowing the value of goalkeepers. A minor miracle to get Banksy at Stoke. But ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) I don't think that Shilton found his home here. Farmer , on the other hand, could have done well in my opinion. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 13, 2019 11:42:36 GMT
Farmy had a run. But Waddo didn't fancy him. Hence Shilton Better keeper yet a worse team once Shilts arrived. Defenders always looked happier with Farmer. Got to know John well when he was selling crisps in the 1980s. I also met him a few times in the mid eighties we both worked at Smiths crisps. They then got taken over & i lost track of him as i moved on to another job. |
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Post by deadwait on Oct 13, 2019 11:46:49 GMT
Farmy had a run. But Waddo didn't fancy him. Hence Shilton I think that Waddo was ahead of his time in the English game in respect of knowing the value of goalkeepers. A minor miracle to get Banksy at Stoke. But ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) I don't think that Shilton found his home here. Farmer , on the other hand, could have done well in my opinion. Yes I agree about John Farmer. I considered him extremely unlucky to be kept out of the team by what was certainly a bigger name. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 13, 2019 12:02:12 GMT
Farmy had a run. But Waddo didn't fancy him. Hence Shilton I think that Waddo was ahead of his time in the English game in respect of knowing the value of goalkeepers. A minor miracle to get Banksy at Stoke. But ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) I don't think that Shilton found his home here. Farmer , on the other hand, could have done well in my opinion. If the Shilton mo had gone on a replacement for Richie we might have stayed competitive |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2019 12:11:37 GMT
I think that Waddo was ahead of his time in the English game in respect of knowing the value of goalkeepers. A minor miracle to get Banksy at Stoke. But ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) I don't think that Shilton found his home here. Farmer , on the other hand, could have done well in my opinion. If the Shilton mo had gone on a replacement for Richie we might have stayed competitive Didn't Waddo think that he had bought Osgood but he changed his mind over the weekend?.......or was that later?... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 12:27:16 GMT
If the Shilton mo had gone on a replacement for Richie we might have stayed competitive Didn't Waddo think that he had bought Osgood but he changed his mind over the weekend?.......or was that later?... Same time as we bought Hudson, Osgood chose to stay darn sarth..... Malcolm McDonald was available for the same money we wasted....sorry spent on Shilton.....and I'm convinced we'd have won the league with him |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2019 12:30:58 GMT
Didn't Waddo think that he had bought Osgood but he changed his mind over the weekend?.......or was that later?... Same time as we bought Hudson, Osgood chose to stay darn sarth..... Malcolm McDonald was available for the same money we wasted....sorry spent on Shilton.....and I'm convinced we'd have won the league with him I'm sure we got Hudson first, didn't we? |
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 13, 2019 13:11:13 GMT
Not what you thought. John Farmer, Peschisolido and Tuncay...... three players that we did not make the most of, in my opinion. I think that Farmer should have been given a run following Banks's accident...Setters didn't really help apparently. Any thoughts? Farmer was given a run then Shilton became available. Setters? |
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 13, 2019 13:13:30 GMT
Same time as we bought Hudson, Osgood chose to stay darn sarth..... Malcolm McDonald was available for the same money we wasted....sorry spent on Shilton.....and I'm convinced we'd have won the league with him I'm sure we got Hudson first, didn't we? Same time, Hudson said yes first. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2019 13:21:29 GMT
Not what you thought. John Farmer, Peschisolido and Tuncay...... three players that we did not make the most of, in my opinion. I think that Farmer should have been given a run following Banks's accident...Setters didn't really help apparently. Any thoughts? Farmer was given a run then Shilton became available. Setters? Just found this post. I think it is on here about Setters. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/84365/john-farmer?page=1 |
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Post by kustokie on Oct 13, 2019 13:24:37 GMT
If the Shilton mo had gone on a replacement for Richie we might have stayed competitive Didn't Waddo think that he had bought Osgood but he changed his mind over the weekend?.......or was that later?... Yes, but fortunately it fell through. Osgood famously said Big John could not ‘ed the bow! So next time we played Chelsea (maybe it was Soton after Osgood transfered) Big John broke through, stopped the bow on the line, got down on all fours and ‘edded it in. Great memory that will live with me for ever. I was stood by the wall at the boothen end right behind the goal. |
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Post by kronkie on Oct 13, 2019 14:06:01 GMT
Didn't Waddo think that he had bought Osgood but he changed his mind over the weekend?.......or was that later?... Yes, but fortunately it fell through. Osgood famously said Big John could not ‘ed the bow! So next time we played Chelsea (maybe it was Soton after Osgood transfered) Big John broke through, stopped the bow on the line, got down on all fours and ‘edded it in. Great memory that will live with me for ever. I was stood by the wall at the boothen end right behind the goal. It was against saints and I think BJ got all 4 that day. As for John Farmer, he wasn't a bad keeper as I remember he got at least 1 u23 cap at a game played at Wolverhampton where Peter Knolwes ( cyrles brother) sat on the ball during the game. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 13, 2019 14:09:50 GMT
What was Setters' role as he wasn't playing at the time? |
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 13, 2019 14:10:17 GMT
Not what you thought. John Farmer, Peschisolido and Tuncay...... three players that we did not make the most of, in my opinion. I think that Farmer should have been given a run following Banks's accident...Setters didn't really help apparently. Any thoughts? Farmer was given a run then Shilton became available. Setters? I met Farmer once and said to him I’d love to be a Farmer , so he kicked me in the bollocks and said there’s 2 acres to start with .....😎 |
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Post by kronkie on Oct 13, 2019 14:10:57 GMT
What was Setters' role as he wasn't playing at the time? I think he was. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 14:18:17 GMT
I used to like John Farmer. Good goalie IMHO!
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Post by Linx on Oct 13, 2019 14:39:06 GMT
The main thing I remember about John Farmer was that he was in goal when we beat Arsenal 5-0.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 13, 2019 15:05:20 GMT
John Farmer was a couple of years ahead of me at Wooly Grammar in 60s. An excellent basketball player who was scouted for Stoke while playing basketball for the county. After Lawrie Leslie left, we were in desperate need of a decent goalie and we had a couple of fiascos prior to Farmer signing including the disasterous Bobby Irvine and the Swedish goalie Larsson who we played on trial and got fined because he wasn't registered even though the game was a friendly against Rangers. Wolstanton was a rugby playing school in them days so makes his achievement even greater. His older brother also went same school and was a good cricketer. He made his debut at home against arsenic in 65-66 which we lost 3-1. Remember him playing a blinder at home to Man Utd when he saved point blank at Bobby Charltons feet score ended 2-2. He also saved a Jimmy Greaves penalty, might have been two but memory fading, at home conner remember score though.
Farmer was a decent goalie rumour has it that Setters didn't like him and this broke his confidence. Waddo bought Banksie and then Shilton so Farmer spent most of his career as understudy. He was picked for England U-23 in early career. After playing 160 games for us in 10 seasons Farmer went to Leicester for a season only playing a handful of games. He managed Northwich Vic for a few seasons dunner know where he is now.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 13, 2019 15:06:18 GMT
I believe that John had a better reputation than Banksy for saving penalties, at least as I remember it. At the 72 League Cup Final wasn't there some sort of exhibition penalty shoot out competition at half time and John went in goal then.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 13, 2019 15:13:28 GMT
The main thing I remember about John Farmer was that he was in goal when we beat Arsenal 5-0. Not sure why Banksie wasn’t playing. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 13, 2019 15:16:03 GMT
What was Setters' role as he wasn't playing at the time? I think he was. No he finished in 67 |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 13, 2019 15:30:25 GMT
Didn't Waddo think that he had bought Osgood but he changed his mind over the weekend?.......or was that later?... Same time as we bought Hudson, Osgood chose to stay darn sarth..... Malcolm McDonald was available for the same money we wasted....sorry spent on Shilton.....and I'm convinced we'd have won the league with him  Didn't know that regarding Big Mac...was he really on our radar at the time? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 13, 2019 15:59:19 GMT
Could their careers have overlapped in 65-67( the dates that Wikipedia says that Setters was at the club...and it says Farmer started in 65)....or could they come across each other at the club before John actually turned professional?.....but you have a point Kj....I think I may have got the story from the post to which I provided the link......so perhaps it's not true , just a rumour. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 16:17:50 GMT
Same time as we bought Hudson, Osgood chose to stay darn sarth..... Malcolm McDonald was available for the same money we wasted....sorry spent on Shilton.....and I'm convinced we'd have won the league with him Didn't know that regarding Big Mac...was he really on our radar at the time? I can't remember the ins and outs but as I understand it he was available for £300,000 the same summer we bought Shilton and we were linked with him ...he ultimately stayed at St James Park for another 2 years before moving to Arsenal |
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Post by kustokie on Oct 13, 2019 16:19:29 GMT
If the Shilton mo had gone on a replacement for Richie we might have stayed competitive Didn't Waddo think that he had bought Osgood but he changed his mind over the weekend?.......or was that later?... He did, probably because he found out Osgood was a first-class prick and wouldn’t have been a good influence in the dressing room. He signed Geoff Hurst (a decent bloke) instead and that worked out quite well. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 13, 2019 16:38:53 GMT
I was also at Wolstanton Grammar the same age year as John.
I still remember being on a bus with the school rugby team after a match one Saturday, the day John first played for Stoke. I remember the headmaster "Pecker" Williams was very upset at John leaving school before completing his education to play football; John came back to a Prize Day in his sports car, earning more the the headmaster.
John wasn't a bad cricketer and brilliant basketball player which he carried into his goal keeping as he could throw the ball one armed almost to the halfway line.
He was an excellent GK and fully deserved his place in a top flight team. If he had a weakness it was he could lose concentration and sometimes misjudged high balls centred from the wings. This caused Waddington not to fully trust him as Waddington wanted perfection in a GK.
John was in and out of the side whenever Banksie was away on international duty. This lead to him being badgered by the press wanting to know if he was dissatisfied with repeatedly being "dropped", but John accepted his lot.
Waddington finally lost his rag with John when he made a mistake against Chelsea which cost the match and he was dropped, never to play again.
As has been expressed above, there are many who believe that Waddington should have spent £300,000 on a striker and not a GK, when Ritchie broke his leg, but there were so many injuries that season it's doubtful one player would have made all that difference. Certainly Shilton was not £300,000 better than John Farmer.
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Didn't know that regarding Big Mac...was he really on our radar at the time?
