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Post by chumley on Oct 17, 2019 10:33:06 GMT
It's really quite strange that we didn't try harder last season to hold onto him, as he hasn't exactly kicked up a massive fuss at remaining here after the summer. In fact I'd go as far as to say he looks really happy, everything I have seen of him is really positive and his reaction to our goal was really pleasing. I mean aside from being happy he's also absolutely grafting of course, and the best midfielder in the league for me by a distance. We need to move heaven and earth to hold onto him and Peter Etebo, truly players you can build a team around. Also think he's just in shop window, but if he does go i would like to see him in Premier League so at least we still get to watch him. Top Player
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 12, 2019 9:59:14 GMT
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 12, 2019 10:03:29 GMT
There's a bit of a fire sale on the Horizon isn't there?
And a yard sale for Jones signings, and we'll still be left with some deadwood.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Nov 12, 2019 10:05:39 GMT
There's a bit of a fire sale on the Horizon isn't there? And a yard sale for Jones signings, and we'll still be left with some deadwood. Badou, Lindsay, Smith, Cousins with Hogan and Duffy having their loans cut short
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 10:16:21 GMT
I fully expect offers to come in for Etebo
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Post by lifelong on Nov 12, 2019 10:24:18 GMT
Sell the best, which can keep us up and push on next year, and keep the dross to satisfy FFP ? Would just be the way Stoke would do it.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 12, 2019 10:31:58 GMT
Sell the best, which can keep us up and push on next year, and keep the dross to satisfy FFP ? Would just be the way Stoke would do it. It tends to be the way many clubs in our position do it, simply because "the dross" aren't that easy to get rid of (because they're dross) and don't really command much in the way of transfer fees (because they're dross) so have little effect in offsetting FFP. The simple fact is that keeping hold of expensive, higher paid players is a gamble that only pays off if you go back up to the Prem relatively quickly. If you don't then they eventually have to be shifted off the wage bill.
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Post by ash on Nov 12, 2019 10:35:11 GMT
Sell the best, which can keep us up and push on next year, and keep the dross to satisfy FFP ? Would just be the way Stoke would do it. What about if the alternative is to keep the best and sell the dross. Not satisfy FFP, then have points deducted which then leads to relegation? Then you really would see a firesale! Surely it's all about balance, yes we may have to sell some of our better players to satisfy FFP. We all knew this was likely anyway, then use some of the money raised from those sales together with whatever we can raise/save from the deadwood to satisfy FFP and also build the team for the future.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 12, 2019 10:43:46 GMT
Sell the best, which can keep us up and push on next year, and keep the dross to satisfy FFP ? Would just be the way Stoke would do it. Well it isn't that easy is it?
Who do you know who would want to purchase Ward, Cousins, Wimmer, Imbula etc... anywhere near our purchase price or what the club would no doubt want?
I cannot see Etebo and NDiaye having no bids this coming window, and if they're good enough they'll go
A. For FFP B. Out of reluctance, particularly for Etebo
So it's not really the 'way Stoke would do it'. Our dross are very dross and won't be subject to good bids.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 12, 2019 10:44:52 GMT
Just dreaming?
ideal situation recoup SOME MONEY and outgoings (wages) by selling Wimmer and Imbula if possible
Try and keep Etebo, offer him a better contract?
Accept that Badou will be gone , unless O'Neill makes a special effort to keep him - ideally in the summer, but agree a sale not a loan
Butland move him on, realistically it could be for half what we could have got a couple of seasons ago - West Ham rumoured to be looking for a GK , but he would be off the wage bill
I would keep Hogan here, especially if Verlinden returns to feed him with good crosses
They all have a clean sheet, maybe the likes of Diouf will have a role
Sulking when you are not playing? either accept the challenge or Stoke is not the place to be
We have Shawcross who should feature after Christmas
Regardless, we need to be able to fund a LB in January
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 12, 2019 10:45:54 GMT
How much is Spinks just speculating there about Badou starting on the bench on Saturday? I find it very hard to believe that O'Neill would have been dragged, so quickly, into the politics of potential outgoing transfers in January. For him to have done so, then he would clearly have to be working on instructions from his employers. Do you think that a) Scholes/the board would even for a nano second, think they could pull that stunt for his first game in charge or b) that O'Neill would accept it? I don't.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 12, 2019 10:52:16 GMT
I think letting Badou and Etebo go in January would be tantamount to stupidity. At least get Etebo to hang on until the Summer, but most importantly, what sort of fee would Badou command as we shelled out £14 m for him? Hogan's not our player, so his wages could help fund a new left back. It's a bugger that Afobe got injured as a successful spell at Bristol City would have been good for both parties; either they or someone else bought him or he came back reinvigorated. I'm not sure what January will bring really, but I think we need two new full backs although I only hope and expect a left back to come in. Depending on our league position after Christmas, we may actually see little incoming activity.
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Post by tinofspam on Nov 12, 2019 10:54:07 GMT
Didn’t Badou go off with a knock the game before, is it not just precautionary and they’re making something out of nout here
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Post by zerps on Nov 12, 2019 10:57:32 GMT
I’d keep the hulkster
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Post by werrington on Nov 12, 2019 11:07:15 GMT
I think letting Badou and Etebo go in January would be tantamount to stupidity. At least get Etebo to hang on until the Summer, but most importantly, what sort of fee would Badou command as we shelled out £14 m for him? Hogan's not our player, so his wages could help fund a new left back. It's a bugger that Afobe got injured as a successful spell at Bristol City would have been good for both parties; either they or someone else bought him or he came back reinvigorated. I'm not sure what January will bring really, but I think we need two new full backs although I only hope and expect a left back to come in. Depending on our league position after Christmas, we may actually see little incoming activity. If we dont get promoted this season ( which let’s be honest ) then FFP dictates that we can’t afford to keep them and will have to claw back some money from somewhere Forget how rich the owners are it’s irrelevant
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Post by biglad180 on Nov 12, 2019 11:23:18 GMT
We must not part with any of our better players while we are in this mess unless we get at least the money we paid. Loan deals should be out of the question
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 12, 2019 11:29:16 GMT
Despite him being clearly our best player, if decent bids come in for him in January we have to sell Badou to get his wages out of the club and recoup some money for FFP. Plus he seems the kind of guy (or maybe his agent) who would kick up a fuss and refuse to play if we tried to keep him so it might be counter productive anyway. We simply have to get some of these big wages off our wage bill. Etebo was signed after relegation so should be on a more reasonable deal so we should fight to keep him.
Butland also needs to go if we get an offer for him. I just won't think we'll get one now.
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Post by stokie1947 on Nov 12, 2019 11:41:47 GMT
agree if the right offer comes Badou will be gone
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 12, 2019 11:43:39 GMT
He will be off like a shot once the agent gets the right phone call. 100% this, the only reason he's still here is because no one was prepared to pay for him.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 12, 2019 11:53:29 GMT
I think letting Badou and Etebo go in January would be tantamount to stupidity. At least get Etebo to hang on until the Summer, but most importantly, what sort of fee would Badou command as we shelled out £14 m for him? Hogan's not our player, so his wages could help fund a new left back. It's a bugger that Afobe got injured as a successful spell at Bristol City would have been good for both parties; either they or someone else bought him or he came back reinvigorated. I'm not sure what January will bring really, but I think we need two new full backs although I only hope and expect a left back to come in. Depending on our league position after Christmas, we may actually see little incoming activity. If we dont get promoted this season ( which let’s be honest ) then FFP dictates that we can’t afford to keep them and will have to claw back some money from somewhere Forget how rich the owners are it’s irrelevant Of course, I'm all for letting him go in January if we get decent money and understand the reasoning. I'd be less inclined to sell Etebo until the Summer when the proper rebuild can start.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 12, 2019 11:58:03 GMT
This will be a very difficult one to manage.
Player wants to play at a higher level. Club needs to keep its best players to get out of trouble. Club also has to cut its cloth. Potential suitors will know how we’ll need to sell at some point, so will be in a strong bargaining position.
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Post by lordb on Nov 12, 2019 12:18:58 GMT
How much is Spinks just speculating there about Badou starting on the bench on Saturday? I find it very hard to believe that O'Neill would have been dragged, so quickly, into the politics of potential outgoing transfers in January. For him to have done so, then he would clearly have to be working on instructions from his employers. Do you think that a) Scholes/the board would even for a nano second, think they could pull that stunt for his first game in charge or b) that O'Neill would accept it? I don't. + he got whacked on the Monday v Albion, should have come off but he battled through common sense dictates we are likely to get interest in him but as you say O'Neill won't have formed much of a view as yet.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Nov 12, 2019 16:32:32 GMT
How much is Spinks just speculating there about Badou starting on the bench on Saturday? I find it very hard to believe that O'Neill would have been dragged, so quickly, into the politics of potential outgoing transfers in January. For him to have done so, then he would clearly have to be working on instructions from his employers. Do you think that a) Scholes/the board would even for a nano second, think they could pull that stunt for his first game in charge or b) that O'Neill would accept it? I don't. I would imagine at the interview they would have talked about the squad, the FFP position, and what the situation is going to be come the January window. It's not inconceivable to me that they would have said to O'Neill something along the lines of... Badou is one of the Premier League players we expected to leave in the summer but he's still here and since he's been put back in the team he has been magnificent but he has already said he wants to leave in January (or whatever the actual story is). So I don't think it's a case of O'Neill 'being dragged into the politics'. I would hope he knew the situation before he said yes to the job.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 12, 2019 17:37:16 GMT
The original post makes him sound like a pet!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 12, 2019 17:48:49 GMT
Can't believe a premier league team won't Come in for him. Quality player.
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Post by mattythestokie on Nov 12, 2019 18:03:07 GMT
How much is Spinks just speculating there about Badou starting on the bench on Saturday? I find it very hard to believe that O'Neill would have been dragged, so quickly, into the politics of potential outgoing transfers in January. For him to have done so, then he would clearly have to be working on instructions from his employers. Do you think that a) Scholes/the board would even for a nano second, think they could pull that stunt for his first game in charge or b) that O'Neill would accept it? I don't. You’d of thought we’d of made some kind of promise to Badou about letting him go if an acceptable bid came in. Jones said it and I’m sure it’s still in place which is why he’s not sitting around moaning but actually playing. Let’s be honest. This guy is far too good for this league and if I was in his shoes, I’d want to be playing for someone better.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 18:45:14 GMT
If the Baggies get promoted I could see Bilic coming after him, I believe he’s a fan and had a quick word after the last match!
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Post by thehoof on Nov 12, 2019 22:50:23 GMT
Well, Sheffield U were interested at the start of the season, but Badou or his agent didn’t think that they were a big enough club.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 13, 2019 2:03:11 GMT
Didn’t Badou go off with a knock the game before, is it not just precautionary and they’re making something out of nout here That’s what I believed. He wasn’t fit to start but available if needed as a sub.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Nov 13, 2019 4:50:41 GMT
Has never unpacked his suitcase since arriving back here....
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