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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 7, 2019 13:08:37 GMT
Tony Pulis would always resort to reeling off stats when things weren't going his way, managers have various methods of deflecting stuff away from themselves, probably because if they don't have self belief then no one will believe in them.
It's probably the only job in the world where you can go from being the a highly respected (even on a worldwide scale) individual to sacked in the space of a couple of months.
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Post by jeycov on Oct 7, 2019 13:15:08 GMT
I second the motion. The fellow has no class. There’s a lot of other things he doesn’t have too. Like how to manage a football team. This isn't about class this is about Nathan Jones being good at being a football manager: he is desperately clinging to the belief he has done nothing wrong - it's been 'problems that have effected the last 4 managers', the players don't believe enough, too many individual mistakes and just bad luck regardless of the fact he coaches them, selects and has recruited 12 - in short its everyone else's fault - he even defends the much publicised diamond by saying how many times he used it - the diamond is good, I am good We're witnessing Jones's faith being challenged - in himself If he hasn't learnt from what's happened expect to see McLean at LB and one up top again Fulham- because nathan is always right! Time for our captain ( currently Joe Allen ) to give some positive feedback regarding an improved performance from our defence and suggest that we keep them for our next game The 2 up front also provided more options from midfield
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Post by Goonie on Oct 7, 2019 13:15:37 GMT
Tony Pulis would always resort to reeling off stats when things weren't going his way, managers have various methods of deflecting stuff away from themselves, probably because if they don't have self belief then no one will believe in them. It's probably the only job in the world where you can go from being the best footballing brain in the world to sacked in the space of a couple of months. Well said - being a football manager attracts ego-maniacs, masochists and sadists. As you rightly say, Jones is exhibiting his natural defences in accepting that he has actually done anything wrong. For him to accept he has made huge mistakes in recruitment, selection, tactics, substitutions and man-management would have catastrophic consequences for his self-belief and throw him into turmoil and crisis I hope he does turn it round but if he refuses to drop these defences then he wont learn and we'll becrelegated
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Post by Sfance on Oct 7, 2019 13:19:49 GMT
Good catch Zerps. Would you like me to try and help you out with your own posts from hereon? No you can barely put two sentences together 😆 Comma needed there after “No,” Zerps. Just sayin’.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:24:04 GMT
Well at least he didn't compare himself to Marcelo Bielsa again. That would have been a bit embarrassing on national radio. Didn't he compare himself to Fergie the other day? Oh I don't know...I've stopped listening to him tbh. I find it horribly cringe-worthy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:31:47 GMT
So now we get people slating NJ for his arrogance ?
Of course, Cloughie and Fergie would never have come across that way would they ? Both went through woeful spells as managers.
I’m not saying NJ is anywhere near that class yet but sometimes a little arrogance is a good thing in football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:34:00 GMT
So now we get people slating NJ for his arrogance ? Of course, Cloughie and Fergie would never have come across that way would they ? Both went through woeful spells as managers. I’m not saying NJ is anywhere near that class yet but sometimes a little arrogance is a good thing in football. After they had achieved something more than getting promoted from League Two...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:36:08 GMT
So now we get people slating NJ for his arrogance ? Of course, Cloughie and Fergie would never have come across that way would they ? Both went through woeful spells as managers. I’m not saying NJ is anywhere near that class yet but sometimes a little arrogance is a good thing in football. After they had achieved something more than getting promoted from League Two... It’s his only other job and a job he did remarkably well at. Is he not allowed to mention his success there ?
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Post by sheds1862 on Oct 7, 2019 13:39:09 GMT
Well at least he didn't compare himself to Marcelo Bielsa again. That would have been a bit embarrassing on national radio. Didn't he compare himself to Fergie the other day? Hope he hasn't been sucking any toes.....oh that Fergie,,, sorry.
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Post by jontimmis on Oct 7, 2019 13:43:13 GMT
Arrogance isn’t a bad thing, but he’s setting himself up here massively, his rant about other people and the so called good work has resulted in 1 win in the league. I’m delighted. Just needs a bit of perspective.
Fulham at home is a tough game, if we ever deliver a back to back victory, then maybe those are green shoots.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:50:10 GMT
After they had achieved something more than getting promoted from League Two... It’s his only other job and a job he did remarkably well at. Is he not allowed to mention his success there ? Not in every fucking interview,no
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:58:38 GMT
It’s his only other job and a job he did remarkably well at. Is he not allowed to mention his success there ? Not in every fucking interview,no So, he stays quiet and withdrawn and everyone says the jobs too big for him. Mentions his past success and he’s too arrogant 🙄 I’m not suggesting the guy is a fantastic manager yet, his record here is awful and he’s got a lot to do at Stoke to really turn things around but it seems we have acquired another manager who’s currently divided the fan base and he can’t do right for doing wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 14:03:40 GMT
Not in every fucking interview,no So, he stays quiet and withdrawn and everyone says the jobs too big for him. Mentions his past success and he’s too arrogant 🙄 I’m not suggesting the guy is a fantastic manager yet, his record here is awful and he’s got a lot to do at Stoke to really turn things around but it seems we have acquired another manager who’s currently divided the fan base and he can’t do right for doing wrong. Nearly everyone was behind him at the start.So far he's done a terrible job so most people have changed their opinion. That's not hard to understand is it. Yes,he should keep his head down a bit,stop telling everyone how good he is and let the results on the pitch speak for him.
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Post by sheds1862 on Oct 7, 2019 14:05:13 GMT
He just needs to show more humility for me and be humble. He is really all jingoistic in his remarks , comes across like he's a schoolboy on LSD at times.
I will repeat what i said yesterday, the Swansea win is psychological. Had we beat the awful Huddersfield and lost at Swansea then nothing would of changed. The knives would of been out. But because we beat a team ( who even their own fans had no idea how they were top of the league ) it's as though we are reborn and some folk on here are talking play-offs.
It is baby steps, to be fair a draw is no use against Fulham he has got to follow all of his big words up with a home win.
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Post by zerps on Oct 7, 2019 14:25:22 GMT
No you can barely put two sentences together 😆 Comma needed there after “No,” Zerps. Just sayin’. Can we go for a coffee?
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Post by stokiesteve on Oct 7, 2019 14:27:32 GMT
For me, I'm happy for him and all of a sudden the references to 14 hours etc mean something.
He probably does work those hours, he gives a fook.
I sometimes wonder if the players have been trying too hard because they know how much work he has been doing. The psychological aspect of the team is massive for us and probably why we haven't got the results we deserved. Whether you like Jones or not, I don't think anyone can say that we deserve to be bottom of the league. We have been shit at times, but in the main we have looked far better than a bottom three side.
And to back this up a bit more, when everyone thinks he's a dead man walking we win. Is this coincidence or is it because the team felt less pressure? Theres gotta be something in this?
If the board turn round and say he stays whatever and we go back to Huddersfield like performances then maybe there is more to it.
And of course, if the players don't like him that would also explain why we haven't got as many points as we deserved.
Don't think we're out of the woods yet. I hope we've turned a corner but I thought we also turned a corner against Man Utd during the holocaust season and look how that turned out.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 14:33:10 GMT
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Post by mickey2693 on Oct 7, 2019 14:37:39 GMT
I second the motion. The fellow has no class. There’s a lot of other things he doesn’t have too. Like how to manage a football team. This isn't about class this is about Nathan Jones being good at being a football manager: he is desperately clinging to the belief he has done nothing wrong - it's been 'problems that have effected the last 4 managers', the players don't believe enough, too many individual mistakes and just bad luck regardless of the fact he coaches them, selects and has recruited 12 - in short its everyone else's fault - he even defends the much publicised diamond by saying how many times he used it - the diamond is good, I am good We're witnessing Jones's faith being challenged - in himself If he hasn't learnt from what's happened expect to see McLean at LB and one up top again Fulham- because nathan is always right! To be fair he showed a lot of humility in his interview post Huddersfield. Hes right in saying the diamond is a good formation. Any formation is good if you have players who are suited and understand it.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 7, 2019 14:38:28 GMT
For me, I'm happy for him and all of a sudden the references to 14 hours etc mean something. He probably does work those hours, he gives a fook. I sometimes wonder if the players have been trying too hard because they know how much work he has been doing. The psychological aspect of the team is massive for us and probably why we haven't got the results we deserved. Whether you like Jones or not, I don't think anyone can say that we deserve to be bottom of the league. We have been shit at times, but in the main we have looked far better than a bottom three side. And to back this up a bit more, when everyone thinks he's a dead man walking we win. Is this coincidence or is it because the team felt less pressure? Theres gotta be something in this? If the board turn round and say he stays whatever and we go back to Huddersfield like performances then maybe there is more to it. And of course, if the players don't like him that would also explain why we haven't got as many points as we deserved. Don't think we're out of the woods yet. I hope we've turned a corner but I thought we also turned a corner against Man Utd during the holocaust season and look how that turned out..... Out of the woods?? We've barely managed to release our leg from the bear trap to hobble off looking for the path yet...
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 7, 2019 14:39:28 GMT
This isn't about class this is about Nathan Jones being good at being a football manager: he is desperately clinging to the belief he has done nothing wrong - it's been 'problems that have effected the last 4 managers', the players don't believe enough, too many individual mistakes and just bad luck regardless of the fact he coaches them, selects and has recruited 12 - in short its everyone else's fault - he even defends the much publicised diamond by saying how many times he used it - the diamond is good, I am good We're witnessing Jones's faith being challenged - in himself If he hasn't learnt from what's happened expect to see McLean at LB and one up top again Fulham- because nathan is always right! To be fair he showed a lot of humility in his interview post Huddersfield. Hes right in saying the diamond is a good formation. Any formation is good if you have players who are suited and understand it. That wasn't humility, that was resignation. Almost literally
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Post by mickey2693 on Oct 7, 2019 14:40:40 GMT
To be fair he showed a lot of humility in his interview post Huddersfield. Hes right in saying the diamond is a good formation. Any formation is good if you have players who are suited and understand it. That wasn't humility, that was resignation. Almost literally Whatever it was it was alot different than after Hughes was sacked, still clinging to the belief he'd of kept us up.
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Post by Gods on Oct 7, 2019 14:41:13 GMT
We never find out what this 'good work' is which doesn't relate directly to results is do we?
I think the tacit assumption is that it is the weeding out of recalcitrant players and the forming or a collective team ethos, I wonder if a higher collective level of fitness is woven in there somewhere too. Perhaps even group prayer? (I'm joking about the last one)
But I don't think I have ever heard that for sure, unless I hear otherwise I'll go on thinking that is what it is.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 7, 2019 14:43:38 GMT
Fuck me there's talking complete shit and then there's Nath talking complete shit.
What a load of shit.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 14:49:31 GMT
After they had achieved something more than getting promoted from League Two... It’s his only other job and a job he did remarkably well at. Is he not allowed to mention his success there ? Every single time though? 10 months into a new job. It's a bit embarrassing.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 7, 2019 14:50:32 GMT
For me, I'm happy for him and all of a sudden the references to 14 hours etc mean something. He probably does work those hours, he gives a fook. I sometimes wonder if the players have been trying too hard because they know how much work he has been doing. The psychological aspect of the team is massive for us and probably why we haven't got the results we deserved. Whether you like Jones or not, I don't think anyone can say that we deserve to be bottom of the league. We have been shit at times, but in the main we have looked far better than a bottom three side. And to back this up a bit more, when everyone thinks he's a dead man walking we win. Is this coincidence or is it because the team felt less pressure? Theres gotta be something in this? If the board turn round and say he stays whatever and we go back to Huddersfield like performances then maybe there is more to it. And of course, if the players don't like him that would also explain why we haven't got as many points as we deserved. Don't think we're out of the woods yet. I hope we've turned a corner but I thought we also turned a corner against Man Utd during the holocaust season and look how that turned out..... Out of the woods?? We've barely managed to release our leg from the bear trap to hobble off looking for the path yet... But he didn't say we were out of the woods. Quite the opposite in fact.
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Post by tosh on Oct 7, 2019 14:55:29 GMT
Not in every fucking interview,no So, he stays quiet and withdrawn and everyone says the jobs too big for him. Mentions his past success and he’s too arrogant 🙄 I’m not suggesting the guy is a fantastic manager yet, his record here is awful and he’s got a lot to do at Stoke to really turn things around but it seems we have acquired another manager who’s currently divided the fan base and he can’t do right for doing wrong. The guy is doing himself no favours when he speaks now. I felt a lot more positive towards him at the end of Saturday’s game. That disappeared when he was interviewed and instead of just saying “that win is just a first step Nige. We’ve had a disastrous start and we now have to make sure we build on that performance,” he went on a rant about there being nothing between us and the top six, it’s all down to mistakes, red cards and bad luck, and without all that we are a wonderful side and the diamond is a wonderful shape and I’m a wonderful manager etc., and he then goes on to attack the media for criticising him. You realise then that this performance could easily be a one off as he hasn’t really learnt anything from this season’s disasters. He is in denial. In his head he is a wonderful manager who can do no wrong and none of the blame attaches to him. That usually tends to mean mistakes are repeated. I am definitely going to be very nervous when I look at the team selection for the Fulham game. Hope to be proved wrong to doubt him!
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 7, 2019 14:57:27 GMT
Out of the woods?? We've barely managed to release our leg from the bear trap to hobble off looking for the path yet... But he didn't say we were out of the woods. Quite the opposite in fact. I know. But he did express it as if there was a credible suggestion that we might be, or that we were on the path out and the edge of the woods was close. I was just emphasisng that we are still very much lost in the deep dark woods.
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Post by Goonie on Oct 7, 2019 15:04:44 GMT
This isn't about class this is about Nathan Jones being good at being a football manager: he is desperately clinging to the belief he has done nothing wrong - it's been 'problems that have effected the last 4 managers', the players don't believe enough, too many individual mistakes and just bad luck regardless of the fact he coaches them, selects and has recruited 12 - in short its everyone else's fault - he even defends the much publicised diamond by saying how many times he used it - the diamond is good, I am good We're witnessing Jones's faith being challenged - in himself If he hasn't learnt from what's happened expect to see McLean at LB and one up top again Fulham- because nathan is always right! To be fair he showed a lot of humility in his interview post Huddersfield. Hes right in saying the diamond is a good formation. Any formation is good if you have players who are suited and understand it. Agreed Mickey but the key is what you say here: 'Any formation is good if you have players who are suited and understand it' 12 of those players are his and this clashes with his belief 'I can recruit the right players'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 15:05:39 GMT
Honestly he sounded fine to me. People are finding anything to whine about now.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 7, 2019 15:07:29 GMT
But he didn't say we were out of the woods. Quite the opposite in fact. I know. But he did express it as if there was a credible suggestion that we might be, or that we were on the path out and the edge of the woods was close. I was just emphasisng that we are still very much lost in the deep dark woods. Reminds me of that bloody infuriating computer game that was all text - "You are in a wood" it said at the start. I don't think I ever got much further than that
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