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Post by lordb on Oct 5, 2019 16:20:34 GMT
Playing for the new manager? No playing for this one. Diamond worked pretty well too
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 5, 2019 16:21:13 GMT
Just perhaps the board where only prepared to let him go if Hughton took the job and have decided he is still better then the rest, I would like see new no 2 come in to help him out just like Francis did with Pulis. I agree with this, have said the same previously. If we can get Houghton get him, if we can’t stick with Jones.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 16:31:42 GMT
Apart from the first suicidal minutes you can’t really fault that performance. A deserved win and some strong spirit. What do you want ? There’s a long way to go yet, we all know that but let’s enjoy a good solid performance. It seems some are disappointed we’ve won🙄 It was a fantastic performance, but you can't erase 9 months of absolute shit by 1 performance. No you can’t but as I’ve said on here before, this season we haven’t really dominated a game but we’ve not really been dominated by anyone either. We aren’t the side the table suggests. I also said earlier ( on the strangely deleted thread predicting defeat) that we would win 2-1 today and that this just could be the turning point. Let’s give it a few more games. It would be absolute madness to sack NJ on the back of this performance.
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Post by thehoof on Oct 5, 2019 16:32:48 GMT
Today against the top team was an excellent performance. Tuesday against the team second bottom was fucking awful.The marking by Swansea for both goals ( if you are a Swansea fan) you would call individual errors, so don’t think Stoke have a monopoly on “errors”. I imagine that Jones has to put together something like 5 more wins out of his next 9 games ( and possibly only 1 more defeat in that time) if he is to survive after Christmas. I think he will be given until then as I have said previously. If we are still stuck at the bottom, or around the bottom 4, then he will be rightly axed as he will have had the equivalent ( with his 23 game “free hit”) of a full season. If he hasn’t turned it around by then, he isn’t going to, but perhaps today is the start.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 16:35:13 GMT
The international break has come at the worst possible time
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Post by tosh on Oct 5, 2019 16:40:47 GMT
No he doesn't. The only reason we got this performance today is because he's only caretaker right now. It didn’t look like that to me. I have campaigned for him to go but if they don’t have a very good option, I wouldn’t blame them for seeing if he can now produce some more performances like that and a run of wins. That was an outstanding performance and in no way a fluky win and hopefully will be a big confidence boost. The team without Ince at the centre, at last showed a Stoke City unity and spirit. If they don’t have good choices available, maybe judging him on a game to game basis for a few games might be the next best option. Anyway congratulations to the team and the manager on today’s showing. Now you need to repeat it and repeat it!
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Post by FrankButcher on Oct 5, 2019 16:43:02 GMT
This is the problem. I want Stoke to win, but you just know one win can easily turn heads. "I have hope in Jones." Really you have hope from 1 win? We're bound to win at some point, we need to do the right thing and find a new manager over this international break. But our owner is naive and you know this result will paper over cracks. Watford away under MH comes to mind!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 16:51:35 GMT
I understand those saying that he should still go it is only one win after all, but this is what he's been working on, this is how he wanted us to play sustained attacking football, and we've just seen it, surely we can't just go and waste the opportunity after its finally all come together, a new man comes in and we're starting all over again, I just don't see the positives in it. That's a fair point but what happens if we lose 2-0 to Fulham, without (again) having had any chances on target? Do we sack him then?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 16:57:14 GMT
I don't know if that is enough to rescue him but it shows us the way forward. DON'T play ince or mcclean. This is the frightening thing though isn't it ... the majority of the players we are relying on, weren't signed by either Rowett or Jones?
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Post by neddy on Oct 5, 2019 16:59:21 GMT
I understand those saying that he should still go it is only one win after all, but this is what he's been working on, this is how he wanted us to play sustained attacking football, and we've just seen it, surely we can't just go and waste the opportunity after its finally all come together, a new man comes in and we're starting all over again, I just don't see the positives in it. That's a fair point but what happens if we lose 2-0 to Fulham, without (again) having had any chances on target? Do we sack him then? Said on another thread if Moyes or Hughton will come no brainier if not go game by game?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 17:01:53 GMT
That's a fair point but what happens if we lose 2-0 to Fulham, without (again) having had any chances on target? Do we sack him then? Said on another thread if Moyes or Hughton will come no brainier if not go game by game? I think once you've got to the point where it's game by game for a manager, then it's already time for him to go. So we lose to Fulham and then he's curtains? But in the meantime, we've wasted even more time bringing in a replacement.
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Post by neddy on Oct 5, 2019 17:04:01 GMT
Said on another thread if Moyes or Hughton will come no brainier if not go game by game? I think once you've got to the point where it's game by game for a manager, then it's already time for him to go. So we lose to Fulham and then he's curtains? But in the meantime, we've wasted even more time bringing in a replacement. I get that but some of the names being mentioned I wouldn’t bother with but if it became looking like relegation if Jones continued to fail then we would have to bite the bulllet?
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 5, 2019 17:05:33 GMT
Well, I haven't got a clue what to do now. Genuinely torn down the middle
So, by that logic, if I had as much invested in him as they do, got to feel they'll ultimately stick - unless they've actually agreed something with someone.
But does it buy him one game?
2 games?
Fulham at home and Wednesday away are not exactly easy and both are distinctly loseable and we could right back where we were last night very quickly, with maybe a prime candidate going elsewhere?
Don't envy them this one.
Their heads must be spinning.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 17:09:10 GMT
Well, I haven't got a clue what do now. Genuinely torn down the middle So, by that logic, if I had as much invested in him as they do, got to feel they'll ultimately stick - unless they've actually agreed something with someone. But does it buy him one game? 2 games? Fulham at home and Wednesday away are not exactly easy and both distinctly loseable and we could right back where we were last night very quickly, with maybe a prime candidate going elsewhere? Don't envy them this one. Their heads must be spinning. His signings make the decision for me. They have been appalling, demonstrable by his reluctance to play most of them. If he did manage to save us from relegation, would you want him to be given more money to spend next summer?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 5, 2019 17:16:24 GMT
It’s certainly a hell of a predicament we’ve got ourselves into and I guess this was always the danger of not sacking him. There was always a chance that we’d win a game under his tutelage. I don’t know, if you aren’t going to sack him after losing against Crawley, Forest and Huddersfield then why would you sack him after beating top of the league? I just don’t see them doing it now.
It’s also a shame we have the international break now we’ve managed to actually win one. Would have been nice to see what we were like with a bit of a bounce but it’ll almost be completely forgotten by the time Fulham rolls around.
We’re still bottom, we’re still in an awful position and Jones is still under massive pressure. We don’t know what’s been discussed but he still simply has to be one bad result away from being sacked whilst we are in this position. A win at Fulham is another must.
Brilliant today, mind. Only managed to watch it on Final Score on BBC and my arse dropped out when they said they were going to the Liberty Stadium in the 90th minute.
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Post by spiderpuss on Oct 5, 2019 17:20:14 GMT
Knowing our stupid board they've probably sacked him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 5, 2019 17:21:18 GMT
Well, I haven't got a clue what do now. Genuinely torn down the middle So, by that logic, if I had as much invested in him as they do, got to feel they'll ultimately stick - unless they've actually agreed something with someone. But does it buy him one game? 2 games? Fulham at home and Wednesday away are not exactly easy and both distinctly loseable and we could right back where we were last night very quickly, with maybe a prime candidate going elsewhere? Don't envy them this one. Their heads must be spinning. His signings make the decision for me. They have been appalling, demonstrable by his reluctance to play most of them. If he did manage to save us from relegation, would you want him to be given more money to spend next summer? No. I can't mount any defence of him at all beyond those 90 minutes! But would you still get rid if we could only, for example, attract a Michael O'Neill?
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 5, 2019 17:21:27 GMT
Fuller magic I think has summed up how most rational Stokies feel tonight. The euphoria & relief of finally getting a victory, coupled with an inspiring performance. Where did that come from after the dross served up Wednesday?. I can not see them sacking after that unless another man was lined up & waking in the wings maybe?. Also if you are going game by game then surely that can not be the way to rationally run a club?. Interesting 48 hours ahead!!
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Oct 5, 2019 17:23:27 GMT
This is the problem. I want Stoke to win, but you just know one win can easily turn heads. "I have hope in Jones." Really you have hope from 1 win? We're bound to win at some point, we need to do the right thing and find a new manager over this international break. But our owner is naive and you know this result will paper over cracks. Watford away under MH comes to mind! we fluked the Watford game that today could of been 3 or 4 easily that was a complete performance for me so he should be here for Fulham game
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 5, 2019 17:23:33 GMT
To add to that it puts the board in a stronger position with perspective new manager on the back of that performance, anybody watching can see there is massive potential in the team if handled correctly.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 17:24:42 GMT
His signings make the decision for me. They have been appalling, demonstrable by his reluctance to play most of them. If he did manage to save us from relegation, would you want him to be given more money to spend next summer? No. I can't mount any defence of him at all beyond those 90 minutes! But would you still get rid if we could only, for example, attract a Michael O'Neill? But isn't that exactly the same position we found ourselves in before today's game and would still have found ourselves in, had we lost this afternoon? Nothing's changed ...
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 5, 2019 17:33:35 GMT
No. I can't mount any defence of him at all beyond those 90 minutes! But would you still get rid if we could only, for example, attract a Michael O'Neill? But isn't that exactly the same position we found ourselves in before today's game and would still have found ourselves in, had we lost this afternoon? Nothing's changed ... True - but they've got a fig leaf now. And a slight feel-good factor they can convince themselves they can build on with the manner of the win. I don't think a scruffy backs-to-the-wall 1-0 would have been enough - but that could be as they are so, so desperate for him to work. Take the point though. He's been on game-to-game for many since Birmingham. Does that make up for Crawley? Or Huddersfield if you're claiming you're taking a considered assessment in the round? Obviously not. What happens if we meekly lose 2-0 to Fulham? Is he then back in Last Chance Saloon? What if we then get a lucky point at Hillsborough? One more game at Millwall? If we win that, is he back in game-by-game? And is it ever truly game-by-game? Then we're fast approaching winter and one of the couple of decent prospective managers may be gone.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 5, 2019 17:35:01 GMT
I'm now 50/50 on Jones....., Last week I was all for a change. Now I think that I would give him a bit longer....It seems to me that keep changing managers doesn't work, not just for Stoke, in general. It's alright getting rid of Jones but there are no guarantees with his successor.. we've been here before. Some of our performances have not been too bad but have hinged on one or two mistakes and then heads go down. We need some confidence... back to back wins would help. But , for me , I'd hope that he would learn a few lessons...In my opinion...I'd prefer two up front at this level....it matters less HOW we get the ball to the strikers, through midfield, long or short ball, using width....but just get it up there fairly quickly. Don't keep changing the team. Improve the defence. If we buy anyone else we need more care ( this is proving difficult , pre Jones we have a recent history of buying expensive players who fail completely. Under Jones some of his signings can't get into his team!)
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 5, 2019 17:36:12 GMT
I understand those saying that he should still go it is only one win after all, but this is what he's been working on, this is how he wanted us to play sustained attacking football, and we've just seen it, surely we can't just go and waste the opportunity after its finally all come together, a new man comes in and we're starting all over again, I just don't see the positives in it. That's a fair point but what happens if we lose 2-0 to Fulham, without (again) having had any chances on target? Do we sack him then? Yes, it would show it as a one off and that nothing has changed.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2019 17:36:42 GMT
The international break has come at the worst possible time Maybe yes. Or it gives him plenty of time to assess why its suddenly worked today and he can use that knowledge to keep it going. You just never know I suppose.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Oct 5, 2019 17:38:28 GMT
A decent weekend for once
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 5, 2019 17:41:54 GMT
That's a fair point but what happens if we lose 2-0 to Fulham, without (again) having had any chances on target? Do we sack him then? Yes, it would show it as a one off and that nothing has changed. That's a fair answer mate. So we have to assess how important the next two weeks are, balanced against the outcome of that game? I think they'll certainly keep him but I don't think I could take the risk and my opinion is heavily coloured by the signings he's made.
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Post by Goonie on Oct 5, 2019 17:41:54 GMT
Perhaps the news Jones was going led to the performance today of a win as a leaving present
Why has it taken him 11 games this season to do this?
Could it be an actual, real life defender at left back and 2 up top?
He needs to go
Superb win AND performance but too little too late
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 5, 2019 18:32:41 GMT
Yes, it would show it as a one off and that nothing has changed. That's a fair answer mate. So we have to assess how important the next two weeks are, balanced against the outcome of that game? I think they'll certainly keep him but I don't think I could take the risk and my opinion is heavily coloured by the signings he's made. I can understand that, on the whole his signings have been poor, I'd say maybe three of them have been worth while CCV (still making mistakes mind), Gregory and Hogan after that the rest of them have been squad fillers at best, although with Cousins that was obviously what he was meant to be from the start, I think he's should get some credit with Ndiaye, he's been a massive part of this team recently. If the board have anything about them they'll take these two weeks to get an idea of who they want next if they do end up showing him the door.
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Post by PolPotter on Oct 5, 2019 20:46:58 GMT
Easily pleased some people but very short-sighted with a dose of memory loss. Apart from the first suicidal minutes you can’t really fault that performance. A deserved win and some strong spirit. What do you want ? There’s a long way to go yet, we all know that but let’s enjoy a good solid performance. It seems some are disappointed we’ve won🙄 I'm not unhappy that we won. I just see through all of this. This is not the start of a revolution. We need 'kin huge changes before we can start getting giddy. Sure, enjoy yourself tonight. We'll catch up next month.
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