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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 1, 2019 19:07:48 GMT
Makes me laugh how it all has to be either dark or negative, these things trhey invent in math based on incorrect assumptions fed in.. Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Dark Gravity, Dark Stars, Darth Vader, Black Holes... fabricated. 'The maths proves it', is circular logic... not proof of anything. Why can't it be light matter, so shiny we can't even see it? Because it doesn't exist. Why can't they do more Drake Equations, more nonsense but a less threatening and foreboding nomenclature. Imho. Lol I totally agree physicists often make shit names for things! lol But that's just semantics, and doesn't detract from the subject matter. The colonel makes a very good point imo that it doesn't seem fair to dismiss based on semantics. It's proven from, for example, the speeds of stellar orbits in the galaxy that 'dark matter' exists. In any case i can't think of any grounds to state unequivocally that it doesn't exist! Given your very interesting take on things, I think you're missing a trick here considering some of the science thst you dismiss. Imho ....anyway, crap I'm missing the match now!! edit: phew, 8pm kick off, haven't missed any! I can assure you that I havn't reached this position lightly. I don't think I've missed any of the 'tricks', as you so aptly put it. Seriously studied all the science, theory, pseudoscience etc. As you hint the 'scientists' are morphing into metaphysicists with Shiva worship etc. But it's still inherently based in the mechanics of things, of sub atomic quarks and zoos, and ideas, of physical locations etc. To me, and to claim to understand it is tantamount to claiming ignorance seemingly, it's not explanatory but yet further from an understanding, more numerical fog. Any road Come on Stoke... I've spent many moons interrogating stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 19:52:09 GMT
I'm off for a massive half time poo. I hope this helps.
#liftthecurse
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Post by davethebass on Oct 1, 2019 20:43:19 GMT
Lol I totally agree physicists often make shit names for things! lol But that's just semantics, and doesn't detract from the subject matter. The colonel makes a very good point imo that it doesn't seem fair to dismiss based on semantics. It's proven from, for example, the speeds of stellar orbits in the galaxy that 'dark matter' exists. In any case i can't think of any grounds to state unequivocally that it doesn't exist! Given your very interesting take on things, I think you're missing a trick here considering some of the science thst you dismiss. Imho ....anyway, crap I'm missing the match now!! edit: phew, 8pm kick off, haven't missed any! I can assure you that I havn't reached this position lightly. I don't think I've missed any of the 'tricks', as you so aptly put it. Seriously studied all the science, theory, pseudoscience etc. As you hint the 'scientists' are morphing into metaphysicists with Shiva worship etc. But it's still inherently based in the mechanics of things, of sub atomic quarks and zoos, and ideas, of physical locations etc. To me, and to claim to understand it is tantamount to claiming ignorance seemingly, it's not explanatory but yet further from an understanding, more numerical fog. Any road Come on Stoke... I've spent many moons interro Ahhhhhh! What it seems to me you take issue with is particle physics rather than quantum physics. I don't agree with much of particle physics either, and neither do many physicists. The 'particle zoo' they call it, and it's bolted together clumsily. Discrete physical locations are kinda illusory. In Q phys a particle is essentially spread over the whole universe, entangled with everything else ,and has no real fixed location. I'm typing this as I wait for my Wi-Fi bandwidth to return, my stream crashed!! COYMP!!!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 1, 2019 22:35:12 GMT
Can either of you two do any plastering? Physical, practical and intellectual prowess are not necessarily mutually exclusive... But no, I'm shite at plastering but owrate at artexing...
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 2, 2019 0:08:43 GMT
Great stuff you Einsteins, but now explain why my endorphins are not in a coma and I'm humming the 'Sound of Music' after that loss. Has my liver finally accepted that we are shit and we won't get better until Boswell's curse is lifted or our sub atomic quarks (our players) are given the Big Brother treatment?
OS.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 2, 2019 0:18:00 GMT
Great stuff you Einsteins, but now explain why my endorphins are not in a coma and I'm humming the 'Sound of Music' after that loss. Has my liver finally accepted that we are shit and we won't get better until Boswell's curse is lifted or our sub atomic quarks (our players) are given the Big Brother treatment? OS. Slight mind crystal imbalance... Thoughts not bound by time, space nor logic? Nathan Jones is the z-pinch, the toroidal twist. Inertia, all potential, what's known as the... Zero point
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Post by davethebass on Oct 2, 2019 0:38:26 GMT
Great stuff you Einsteins, but now explain why my endorphins are not in a coma and I'm humming the 'Sound of Music' after that loss. Has my liver finally accepted that we are shit and we won't get better until Boswell's curse is lifted or our sub atomic quarks (our players) are given the Big Brother treatment? OS. Slight mind crystal imbalance... Thoughts not bound by time, space nor logic? Nathan Jones is the z-pinch, the toroidal twist. Inertia, all potential, what's known as the... Zero point Lol yeah, he's got the infinite energy and the love...just no tactical nous! edit: Nathan that is. I think Oldstokies got lots of tactical nous
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Post by skip on Oct 2, 2019 0:43:54 GMT
Can anyone remember Birmingham not winning at home for an age? They thought the stadium had some curse on it and Barry Fry had to piss on all four corner flags to lift the curse! 😂 Maybe Nathan should try something similar Just a thought. PISSING ON GRASS IS NOT MAGIC.
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Post by davethebass on Oct 2, 2019 0:47:02 GMT
Great stuff you Einsteins, but now explain why my endorphins are not in a coma and I'm humming the 'Sound of Music' after that loss. Has my liver finally accepted that we are shit and we won't get better until Boswell's curse is lifted or our sub atomic quarks (our players) are given the Big Brother treatment? OS. Could be the recent solar activity interacting with the geomagnetic field and upsetting the Schumann resonance Old, i wouldna werrit thee sen. As for the players, god only knows. In fact, I don't think even god knows if Nathan's anything go by!
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Post by davethebass on Oct 2, 2019 0:50:21 GMT
Can anyone remember Birmingham not winning at home for an age? They thought the stadium had some curse on it and Barry Fry had to piss on all four corner flags to lift the curse! 😂 Maybe Nathan should try something similar Just a thought. PISSING ON GRASS IS NOT MAGIC. Lol I think I'd agree with you Skip. In fact it's Romany etiquette that you should never piss outside within sight of any residence!
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 2, 2019 11:29:28 GMT
PISSING ON GRASS IS NOT MAGIC. Lol I think I'd agree with you Skip. In fact it's Romany etiquette that you should never piss outside within sight of any residence! I thought the old Romany saying was... "Never piss/shit on your own doorstep." So that gem, Dave, is educational. We learn something new every day. Although I agree that Skip is right about the pissing on grass, how come I always say to a lone Magpie, "Good day Magpie. How's your partner today?" (Note that I've used the non-gender noun - partner - identity there. My granddaughter is as gay as they come so I've had to learn this type of stuff.) OS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 17:03:52 GMT
Lol I think I'd agree with you Skip. In fact it's Romany etiquette that you should never piss outside within sight of any residence! I thought the old Romany saying was... "Never piss/shit on your own doorstep." So that gem, Dave, is educational. We learn something new every day. Although I agree that Skip is right about the pissing on grass, how come I always say to a lone Magpie, "Good day Magpie. How's your partner today?" (Note that I've used the non-gender noun - partner - identity there. My granddaughter is as gay as they come so I've had to learn this type of stuff.) OS. I always thought that you should salute a lone magpie ....
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 2, 2019 19:52:19 GMT
[/quote]I always thought that you should salute a lone magpie .... [/quote] only if they are in uniform.
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Post by davethebass on Oct 3, 2019 1:37:27 GMT
Lol I think I'd agree with you Skip. In fact it's Romany etiquette that you should never piss outside within sight of any residence! I thought the old Romany saying was... "Never piss/shit on your own doorstep." So that gem, Dave, is educational. We learn something new every day. Although I agree that Skip is right about the pissing on grass, how come I always say to a lone Magpie, "Good day Magpie. How's your partner today?" (Note that I've used the non-gender noun - partner - identity there. My granddaughter is as gay as they come so I've had to learn this type of stuff.) OS. I always thought that you should salute a lone magpie .... Flippn eck it took me that long work out how do two quotes I've forgot what I was going say!
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Post by davethebass on Oct 3, 2019 2:11:13 GMT
Lol I think I'd agree with you Skip. In fact it's Romany etiquette that you should never piss outside within sight of any residence! I thought the old Romany saying was... "Never piss/shit on your own doorstep." So that gem, Dave, is educational. We learn something new every day. Although I agree that Skip is right about the pissing on grass, how come I always say to a lone Magpie, "Good day Magpie. How's your partner today?" (Note that I've used the non-gender noun - partner - identity there. My granddaughter is as gay as they come so I've had to learn this type of stuff.) OS. I always thought that you should salute a lone magpie .... Oh yeah ,that's it, I think that's a Romany saying as well, but don't quote me on that...it's tricky doing quotes on here. Ey you're welcome Old. I always say "hello, how's your family", so I'm lucky there. I'm beginning to think all these superstitious bad luck things is medieval propagandist social control, a mate says she heard an old version that hadn't got sorrow in it, but she can't remember it. Another mate always tips an imaginary hat, if we both see one together its funny, well, the people in the back of the car thought it was
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Oct 3, 2019 4:33:26 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 3, 2019 4:33:26 GMT
If we are cursed, then why did we have our most profitable period in our history from 08-18... Profitable yes but we won nothing and that was also due to quite a big chunk of bad luck
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 3, 2019 11:04:09 GMT
I had a single Magpie in the garden about 10 minutes ago. Must be a bad sign being just the one. At least I correctly addressed him as in "Good Morning Mr Magpie". He flew off in the direction of Poole in Dorset.
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 3, 2019 12:11:49 GMT
I saw a single magpie up Longton Park this morning when I was walking the dog. As soon as I saw him, I stopped, stood to attention, saluted him as if I was before the CO and about to be put on jankers, and then said to him, "Good morning Magpie. How's your partner doing? How's your family?" It gave me a look as if I was stupid.
Now back to that Boswell curse. I did find this snippet, which might help us: Although rare, Gypsy curses are sudden and very powerful.
Now that got me thinking. I wracked my brains and realised our downfall began when Huthy left us. So using the same sort of stuff you boffins use about quarks and stuff, but on a spiritual level, I'm wondering if those words Huthy used - Nein Cock - are actually a sort of spell used in Schleswig Holstein and that maybe 'Nein Cock' means Stoke without a penis, which would make us impotent.
I think we may be getting to the bottom of this curse now. Waddya think?
OS.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 3, 2019 12:19:25 GMT
I think that with everything that's going on around the club now old un if someone suggested remaking "The Twilight Zone" and setting an episode in Stoke it would never get made as it is all too improbable
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Oct 8, 2019 22:15:31 GMT
Post by davethebass on Oct 8, 2019 22:15:31 GMT
I saw a single magpie up Longton Park this morning when I was walking the dog. As soon as I saw him, I stopped, stood to attention, saluted him as if I was before the CO and about to be put on jankers, and then said to him, "Good morning Magpie. How's your partner doing? How's your family?" It gave me a look as if I was stupid. Now back to that Boswell curse. I did find this snippet, which might help us: Although rare, Gypsy curses are sudden and very powerful. Now that got me thinking. I wracked my brains and realised our downfall began when Huthy left us. So using the same sort of stuff you boffins use about quarks and stuff, but on a spiritual level, I'm wondering if those words Huthy used - Nein Cock - are actually a sort of spell used in Schleswig Holstein and that maybe 'Nein Cock' means Stoke without a penis, which would make us impotent. I think we may be getting to the bottom of this curse now. Waddya think? OS. Soz old, got distracted for a few days. Well I think a tackle from Huthy would certainly be sudden and very powerful! And look what happened to Leicester when he went there. Interesing we just won with a last minute goal, and Leicester lost to a last minute goal. I'm intrigued... I love Longton Park its very beautiful! Sounds like your magpie friend might have been a juvenile, probably went back to family and said, "mum, dad, what's a partner? Why haven't I got one?" ... time for the chat about the humans and the bees for that magpie I think!
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Oct 8, 2019 22:20:57 GMT
Post by davethebass on Oct 8, 2019 22:20:57 GMT
I think that with everything that's going on around the club now old un if someone suggested remaking "The Twilight Zone" and setting an episode in Stoke it would never get made as it is all too improbable Parts of Spike Milligan's the Bed Sitting Room, set in a post apocalyptic world; some scenes from Doctor Who that were set on desolate planets; and an episode of Softly Softly, were all filmed in Stoke.
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Oct 8, 2019 22:23:28 GMT
Post by somersetstokie on Oct 8, 2019 22:23:28 GMT
SPOOKY!
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Oct 8, 2019 22:24:53 GMT
Post by davethebass on Oct 8, 2019 22:24:53 GMT
IKR!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 0:19:49 GMT
One for sorrow, Two for joy, Three for a girl, Four for a boy, Five for silver Six for gold, Seven for a secret, Never to be told. Eight for a wish, Nine for a kiss, Ten for a bird, You must not miss.[1]
This is what all the fuss is about. I think that the only problem comes when seeing a single Magpie. Hence respect being paid to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 0:26:49 GMT
I can actually remember my father telling me that if you see a flock of Crows - they are Rooks. If you see a single Rook - it is a crow. I'm sure that that is not proven but maybe slightly accurate. We also have Jackdaws, Hooded Crows and indeed Ravens ......
Whatever, Corvids are highly intelligent birds. Possibly the most intelligent of all of our birds. Spot a Magpie close up and it has many many colours - not just black and white. The Jay is even more magnificent.
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Post by davethebass on Oct 9, 2019 5:16:32 GMT
Nice one for the rest of the rhyme clem, I'd forgot the ones past 7, and agree, good to be respectful and cheer anyone up if they're on their todd.
Never heard that saying of your dad's, I like them old sayings. I know rooks are another corvid, big grey beaks if I remember right. Jays are amazing yes! See jays now and then here in Wales. There's a kind of corvid called a chough, nests on sea cliffs, looks like a crow with a red beak, saw some in county Kerry, acting like seagulls, entertaining they were.
Interesting thing about corvids I learned recently, they can see into the ultra violet, and the black colours are ultra violet colours, so to each other the black bits are bright colours. They can spot carrion from miles away because some of the bactetia bioluminesce ultra violet.
It's also reckoned, in our old folklore and native American too, corvids can go between the worlds and can carry lost spirits over.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2019 17:49:11 GMT
Nice one for the rest of the rhyme clem, I'd forgot the ones past 7, and agree, good to be respectful and cheer anyone up if they're on their todd. Never heard that saying of your dad's, I like them old sayings. I know rooks are another corvid, big grey beaks if I remember right. Jays are amazing yes! See jays now and then here in Wales. There's a kind of corvid called a chough, nests on sea cliffs, looks like a crow with a red beak, saw some in county Kerry, acting like seagulls, entertaining they were. Interesting thing about corvids I learned recently, they can see into the ultra violet, and the black colours are ultra violet colours, so to each other the black bits are bright colours. They can spot carrion from miles away because some of the bactetia bioluminesce ultra violet. It's also reckoned, in our old folklore and native American too, corvids can go between the worlds and can carry lost spirits over. Well spotted mate - I did forget the chough, probably because I have never seen one before.
Your last sentence probably explains the deep superstition of the Magpie ..... They do tend to congregate in churchyards and cemeteries also.
Springwatch did a feature on corvids a few years ago. They set up some tests to try and discover if the birds actually "thought" about a problem, and then solved it. Or did they just follow their instinct (DNA). The corvids solved problems.
They aren't really appreciated much - probably because they are big and black (we tend to like our kingfishers and goldfinches). I loved a statement that C Packham came out with once when asked about a goldfinch. He said "Erm nice bird, but a bit overdressed for me"
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Oct 9, 2019 20:44:48 GMT
Post by somersetstokie on Oct 9, 2019 20:44:48 GMT
Corvids in general have always been regarded with suspicion, especially in country communities where their presence is of course most conspicuous. If you're looking for superstition your main culprit is the Crow, not least because a group of these birds is known collectively as a murder of Crows! There are many theories as to why a group of crows is called a murder, yet no definite one. Perhaps due to their use in literature as a sign of evil or danger, their agitated calls ‘crying murder’ or maybe even their scavenger tendencies.
A group of Magpies is referred to as a "Clattering" by country folk and colourfully, if interpreted in relation to modern day perceptions, we have a "Parliament" of Rooks. Rural descriptive idiom is certainly imaginitive.
Intriguingly a group of Ravens, such as the colony that historically resides at the Tower of London, is described as an unkindness of Ravens. Perhaps because of their association with that forbidding building, in folklore Ravens are traditionally associated with death.
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Oct 9, 2019 20:49:42 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 9, 2019 20:49:42 GMT
Corvids in general have always been regarded with suspicion, especially in country communities where their presence is of course most conspicuous. If you're looking for superstition your main culprit is the Crow, not least because a group of these birds is known collectively as a murder of Crows! There are many theories as to why a group of crows is called a murder, yet no definite one. Perhaps due to their use in literature as a sign of evil or danger, their agitated calls ‘crying murder’ or maybe even their scavenger tendencies. A group of Magpies is referred to as a "Clattering" by country folk and colourfully, if interpreted in relation to modern day perceptions, we have a "Parliament" of Rooks. Rural descriptive idiom is certainly imaginitive. And it's an 'Unkindness' of Ravens. How unkind. Lovely bird. PS there are several 'Clatterings' of Choughs on the Pembrokeshire Coast. Bit like a Jackdaw but with a slimmer red beak and red legs.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 9, 2019 20:57:11 GMT
Corvids in general have always been regarded with suspicion, especially in country communities where their presence is of course most conspicuous. If you're looking for superstition your main culprit is the Crow, not least because a group of these birds is known collectively as a murder of Crows! There are many theories as to why a group of crows is called a murder, yet no definite one. Perhaps due to their use in literature as a sign of evil or danger, their agitated calls ‘crying murder’ or maybe even their scavenger tendencies. A group of Magpies is referred to as a "Clattering" by country folk and colourfully, if interpreted in relation to modern day perceptions, we have a "Parliament" of Rooks. Rural descriptive idiom is certainly imaginitive. And it's an 'Unkindness' of Ravens. How unkind. Lovely bird. Thanks for that LG. I was going to mention the Raven but got distracted. Stunning and fascinating beasts. Used to star a lot in horror films!
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