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Post by s7oke on Sept 30, 2019 20:09:40 GMT
Can anyone remember Birmingham not winning at home for an age? They thought the stadium had some curse on it and Barry Fry had to piss on all four corner flags to lift the curse! 😂 Maybe Nathan should try something similar Just a thought. Said the same myself on a different thread We have definitely pissed off a gypsy or something
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 30, 2019 20:28:35 GMT
"Niels Bohr adopted a continental philosophical position that goes back through Liebiniz to PLato that reality is a mental construct but within the British empiricist tradition that's never caught on. Most practising physicists take the pragmatic view that quantum mechanics provides a set of mathematical tools that happen to work and that any metaphysical speculation based on quantum mechanics is a waste of time. Fritjof Capra and few other have tried to meld quantum mechanics with eastern spiritual beliefs - but again his views aren't mainstream. Claims that quantum mechanics somehow supports or gives space for religion and the paranormal are considered hokum by the majority of the scientific and philosophical communities, The fact is no-one really knows how to interpret quantum mechanics in layman's terms so its ripe for exploitation by people who half understand it in order to confuse those that don't. Basically the maths works and any attempt to give quantum mechanics some deeper philosophical meaning is various shades of bullshit. But then I'm an atheist and a sceptic so I would believe that..." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/290894/cursed?page=3#ixzz612fQihYwThanks for that insight. We're stunned!
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 30, 2019 22:17:37 GMT
Prove it. OS. I think the point is to prove the existence rather than the other way round 🤔😬 I disagree simply because you said they don't exist. If you had added, "In my opinion" then that would have been fine. I'm an agnostic and follow no religion, but in my almost 80 years on this planet I've seen and experienced things that are inexplicable. I very much respect science and maybe it will explain everything one day. In our current position and given the run of bad luck we've had over recent years, I wouldn't argue with the dreaded Boswell curse. Many years ago I used to have a Romany Gypsy calling on me regularly to sell me a two quid 'lucky charm'. I always bought one off her. (I can hear you all calling me an idiot!) One day she told me that I would live into my eighties. 18 months to go to see if those lucky charms have worked. OS.
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Post by adi on Sept 30, 2019 22:22:13 GMT
I think the point is to prove the existence rather than the other way round 🤔😬 I disagree simply because you said they don't exist. If you had added, "In my opinion" then that would have been fine. I'm an agnostic and follow no religion, but in my almost 80 years on this planet I've seen and experienced things that are inexplicable. I very much respect science and maybe it will explain everything one day. In our current position and given the run of bad luck we've had over recent years, I wouldn't argue with the dreaded Boswell curse. Many years ago I used to have a Romany Gypsy calling on me regularly to sell me a two quid 'lucky charm'. I always bought one off her. (I can hear you all calling me an idiot!) One day she told me that I would live into my eighties. 18 months to go to see if those lucky charms have worked. OS. That wasn’t even me though 😂 That was another poster, but I won’t give you much grief being fat senior in years to me! 😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 22:25:57 GMT
I think the point is to prove the existence rather than the other way round 🤔😬 I disagree simply because you said they don't exist. If you had added, "In my opinion" then that would have been fine. I'm an agnostic and follow no religion, but in my almost 80 years on this planet I've seen and experienced things that are inexplicable. I very much respect science and maybe it will explain everything one day. In our current position and given the run of bad luck we've had over recent years, I wouldn't argue with the dreaded Boswell curse. Many years ago I used to have a Romany Gypsy calling on me regularly to sell me a two quid 'lucky charm'. I always bought one off her. (I can hear you all calling me an idiot!) One day she told me that I would live into my eighties. 18 months to go to see if those lucky charms have worked. OS. I won't call you an idiot. Many years ago a Romany offered to tell my fortune, and asked for a cup of tea. She got her tea and we sat together for an hour or so. What she told me regarding my future I cannot remember, but I do remember her asking if my wife had been in contact with Gypsies. She had spotted my wedding ring i assumed. She told me that there was a curse on my wife.
My wife had told me that once a year gypsies used to come and camp in the fields behind her house in Fenton. The gypsy children would attend school in Fenton.
My wife died aged 49, a few years after this meeting.
All speculation I realise.
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Post by davethebass on Sept 30, 2019 23:41:11 GMT
Yeah, read up a bit on recent discoveries about water, including water memory. They've found thst 40 to 60% of bulk water is quantum coherent, and more so in living cells. In the form of what they call water coherent domains or CDs. These CDs contain trapped electromagnetic fields in a coherent standing wave with characteristic frequencies. The resonant recognition model, RRM. Functional groups of proteins or nucleic acids have wavelengths that can be calculated from the RRM frequency, fRRM. wavelength, l = k/fRRM, where k=201 The wavelengths are in the microwave range. They found the wavelength for growth hormones in plants and effected accelerated plant growth with microwaves. Because quantum nonlocal effects are involved it is thought consciousness can get involved...it is known that consciousness plays a role in quantum physics. Old name for fRRM analysis is Information Spectrum Method. I reckon I've thought up a way to make crop circles with microwaves and lasers, but I might be being naive lol. [edit...cheesefreex wrote the bit below, looks like the quotation thingies got muddled ] Yes I believe that Crop Circles, these more complex incarnations are laer/plasma/directable energy military tech. from Salisbury Plain. I don't agree with Quantum Theory. I believe that 'atoms' are energy, light, resonance, frequency, and not divisible into quantum thingies with awkward math. AS you say electro-magnetism is key, the attraction repulsion, self-organising properties is at the heart of the matter of matter. Waves' are a two dimensional expression of the Toroid, compression, induction, z-pinches and such... Fields... But yeah, 'spooky action at a distance happens all the time', and on mundane levels too... The announcement of a team sheet reduces grown men to tears etc. Words manifesting in actions.... etc Interesting, your alternative to quantum theory actually sounds like quantum theory! There's a thing in quantum theory called quantum nonseperability which states that the observstion of apparently seperate discrete things is illusory. Quanta are waveforms in the quantum field. In water waves, the apparently separate waves are oscillations in the water. The Schrodinger wave equation is very similar to that for acoustic waves, except that it has an imaginary component. Nobody knows what the imaginary component represents physically. In water it is the water that is waving. In quantum waves, nobody knows what it is that is waving. The awkward maths of quantum theory is actually quite elegant at it's heart and has produced the most accurate predictions yet known to science. I agree with you about the self organising properties being at the heart of things I agree with what u say about spooky action at a distance. Yes I've wondered myself if the military or government or whoever have devised a way of making crop circles using directed microwaves.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 30, 2019 23:48:10 GMT
Yes. What he said.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 1, 2019 0:21:10 GMT
Interesting, your alternative to quantum theory actually sounds like quantum theory! There's a thing in quantum theory called quantum nonseperability which states that the observstion of apparently seperate discrete things is illusory. Quanta are waveforms in the quantum field. In water waves, the apparently separate waves are oscillations in the water. The Schrodinger wave equation is very similar to that for acoustic waves, except that it has an imaginary component. Nobody knows what the imaginary component represents physically. In water it is the water that is waving. In quantum waves, nobody knows what it is that is waving. The awkward maths of quantum theory is actually quite elegant at it's heart and has produced the most accurate predictions yet known to science. I agree with you about the self organising properties being at the heart of things I agree with what u say about spooky action at a distance. Yes I've wondered myself if the military or government or whoever have devised a way of making crop circles using directed microwaves. Don't bring the cat in a box into it! Nonsensical bollox. Quantum Theory is an attempt to fill the gaps in the natural sciences, but using essentially a materialist perspective of 'things'. The maths are elegant because they're made that way with invented constants and concepts to balance them out. Numbers are descriptive rather than explanatory, imo. The idea behind a 'wave' and motion is perhaps best considered in terms of a matchstick travelling along a twisting screw thread. {Eric Laithwaite magnetic river vid etc}. Fields, toroids, vortex math, fibonacci, pi and fractals etc. Dipoles, the twins of electricity and magnetism, the z-pinch {zero point} of the toroid being the aetheric force... The Electric Body vids on youtube are interesting stuff.
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Post by stokecityb11 on Oct 1, 2019 0:22:38 GMT
We are indeed cursed. When I was a kid I had a mate lived in the gypsy camp by the Fowl Lea Brook, bottom of Mare's fields between Hartshill and Cliffe Vale, we all called them the Romany Boswells. The D road's there now. After we won the league cup he told me we won that cos the gypsy curse ran out the year before. He said they'd renewed the curse for another 100 years, so SCFC is cursed til 2072. He's a sound lad and straight up and no reason lie to me. I mentioned this the other day in the "If...." thread. The curse was because the club evicted a Romany gypsy camp ftom a field in Stoke so they could have the football ground there.
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Post by stokecityb11 on Oct 1, 2019 0:23:33 GMT
We are indeed cursed. When I was a kid I had a mate lived in the gypsy camp by the Fowl Lea Brook, bottom of Mare's fields between Hartshill and Cliffe Vale, we all called them the Romany Boswells. The D road's there now. After we won the league cup he told me we won that cos the gypsy curse ran out the year before. He said they'd renewed the curse for another 100 years, so SCFC is cursed til 2072. He's a sound lad and straight up and no reason lie to me. I mentioned this the other day in the "If...." thread. The curse was because the club evicted a Romany gypsy camp ftom a field in Stoke so they could have the football ground there.
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Post by stokecityb11 on Oct 1, 2019 0:23:57 GMT
We are indeed cursed. When I was a kid I had a mate lived in the gypsy camp by the Fowl Lea Brook, bottom of Mare's fields between Hartshill and Cliffe Vale, we all called them the Romany Boswells. The D road's there now. After we won the league cup he told me we won that cos the gypsy curse ran out the year before. He said they'd renewed the curse for another 100 years, so SCFC is cursed til 2072. He's a sound lad and straight up and no reason lie to me. I mentioned this the other day in the "If...." thread. The curse was because the club evicted a Romany gypsy camp ftom a field in Stoke so they could have the football ground there.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 1, 2019 0:31:42 GMT
Yes mate. You seem to be having problems posting as the board crashed about ten minutes ago. By intent or not?
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Post by scfcrmagic on Oct 1, 2019 2:30:15 GMT
Can anyone remember Birmingham not winning at home for an age? They thought the stadium had some curse on it and Barry Fry had to piss on all four corner flags to lift the curse! 😂 Maybe Nathan should try something similar Just a thought. I think it’s gonna take some strong magic to lift the curse, I think Tony Scholes needs to get his cauldron out and dance around it in his under grundies chanting Delilah before the match ...the ritual also calls for feathers to be worn I believe..... that should do the trick, if not it will certainly provide some pre kick off entertainment..
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Post by davethebass on Oct 1, 2019 2:35:46 GMT
Nice one you took it to the next level! Of course, we don't need the curse lifted. Its all in the mind, we can just collectively decide it's not effective. I do believe the gypsies did curse us, but like you say, that doesn't mean it has to work. It all being in the mind doesn't mean it's not real, quite the opposite, it implies it IS real, and that it's up to us what that reality is. The view of things, the paradigm, that quantum physics implies, would suggest that the whole universe is in he mind, and quite a few physicists view it that way, including some eminent and famous ones. Niels Bohr adopted a continental philosophical position that goes back through Liebiniz to PLato that reality is a mental construct but within the British empiricist tradition that's never caught on. Most practising physicists take the pragmatic view that quantum mechanics provides a set of mathematical tools that happen to work and that any metaphysical speculation based on quantum mechanics is a waste of time. Fritjof Capra and few other have tried to meld quantum mechanics with eastern spiritual beliefs - but again his views aren't mainstream. Claims that quantum mechanics somehow supports or gives space for religion and the paranormal are considered hokum by the majority of the scientific and philosophical communities, The fact is no-one really knows how to interpret quantum mechanics in layman's terms so its ripe for exploitation by people who half understand it in order to confuse those that don't. Basically the maths works and any attempt to give quantum mechanics some deeper philosophical meaning is various shades of bullshit. But then I'm an atheist and a sceptic so I would believe that... Yeah Bohr did think that, and you're right most British phydicists still stick with the classical physics paradigm. "Shut up snd do the maths" is their catchphrase in response to philosophical speculation. As an interesting aside, Bohr also played in goal for Denmark! You're right it is ripe for exploitation and there is a lot of wooly thinking and confusion out there from people who dont know much about it. There is a kernel of truth in the consciousness connectionn though, especially in light of recent developments in the double slit experiment that now prove consciousness to have a role. So it seems the mechanistic paradigm is well and truly obsolete. It's just the majority of scientists and journalists don't accept it, being vested in the old view of things.
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Post by davethebass on Oct 1, 2019 3:02:15 GMT
"Niels Bohr adopted a continental philosophical position that goes back through Liebiniz to PLato that reality is a mental construct but within the British empiricist tradition that's never caught on. Most practising physicists take the pragmatic view that quantum mechanics provides a set of mathematical tools that happen to work and that any metaphysical speculation based on quantum mechanics is a waste of time. Fritjof Capra and few other have tried to meld quantum mechanics with eastern spiritual beliefs - but again his views aren't mainstream. Claims that quantum mechanics somehow supports or gives space for religion and the paranormal are considered hokum by the majority of the scientific and philosophical communities, The fact is no-one really knows how to interpret quantum mechanics in layman's terms so its ripe for exploitation by people who half understand it in order to confuse those that don't. Basically the maths works and any attempt to give quantum mechanics some deeper philosophical meaning is various shades of bullshit. But then I'm an atheist and a sceptic so I would believe that..." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/290894/cursed?page=3#ixzz612fQihYwThanks for that insight. We're stunned! Yes, in my opinion, an attempt to give quantum mechanics a deeper philosophical meaning isn't ALL bullshit, as I'm guessing you'd agree I'll quote Richard C. Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University, from his article “The Mental Universe,” published in the journal Nature... "A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a “mental” construction. Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine." Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial—mental and spiritual." And Eugene Wigner, a well-known theoretical physicist and mathematician... "it is not possible to formulate the laws of quantum mechanics in a fully consistent way without reference to consciousness."
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Post by davethebass on Oct 1, 2019 3:36:34 GMT
Interesting, your alternative to quantum theory actually sounds like quantum theory! There's a thing in quantum theory called quantum nonseperability which states that the observstion of apparently seperate discrete things is illusory. Quanta are waveforms in the quantum field. In water waves, the apparently separate waves are oscillations in the water. The Schrodinger wave equation is very similar to that for acoustic waves, except that it has an imaginary component. Nobody knows what the imaginary component represents physically. In water it is the water that is waving. In quantum waves, nobody knows what it is that is waving. The awkward maths of quantum theory is actually quite elegant at it's heart and has produced the most accurate predictions yet known to science. I agree with you about the self organising properties being at the heart of things I agree with what u say about spooky action at a distance. Yes I've wondered myself if the military or government or whoever have devised a way of making crop circles using directed microwaves. Don't bring the cat in a box into it! Nonsensical bollox. Quantum Theory is an attempt to fill the gaps in the natural sciences, but using essentially a materialist perspective of 'things'. The maths are elegant because they're made that way with invented constants and concepts to balance them out. Numbers are descriptive rather than explanatory, imo. The idea behind a 'wave' and motion is perhaps best considered in terms of a matchstick travelling along a twisting screw thread. {Eric Laithwaite magnetic river vid etc}. Fields, toroids, vortex math, fibonacci, pi and fractals etc. Dipoles, the twins of electricity and magnetism, the z-pinch {zero point} of the toroid being the aetheric force... The Electric Body vids on youtube are interesting stuff. I'm my opinion, the cat in the box isn't nonsensical bollox. It's very tricky to explain, and I'm tired again, yes its 4,23am lol. I'll get back to you on that. I thought quantum theory was initially an attempt to explain the puzzles in black body radiation. And it seems more to me to be an immaterial perspective of things, but that's just my novice interpretation. I like your idea of a visualisation of a wave. The rest of what you say really interests me and I'd like to know more, I'm not that familiar with all that of which you say but there's deffo something going on there I'd say, from the bits and pieces I have read and heard. I hope I remember to get back to you on this post. I'll check out the Electric Body vids, cheers.
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Post by fazza90 on Oct 1, 2019 7:47:54 GMT
If someone could make a YouTube video of all the mistakes leading to goals so far this season it'd make me laugh so much but my tears of laughter would soon turn to despair.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 1, 2019 10:26:47 GMT
Quote: "Niels Bohr adopted a continental philosophical position that goes back through Liebiniz to PLato that reality is a mental construct but within the British empiricist tradition that's never caught on. Most practising physicists take the pragmatic view that quantum mechanics provides a set of mathematical tools that happen to work and that any metaphysical speculation based on quantum mechanics is a waste of time.
Fritjof Capra and few other have tried to meld quantum mechanics with eastern spiritual beliefs - but again his views aren't mainstream. Claims that quantum mechanics somehow supports or gives space for religion and the paranormal are considered hokum by the majority of the scientific and philosophical communities, The fact is no-one really knows how to interpret quantum mechanics in layman's terms so its ripe for exploitation by people who half understand it in order to confuse those that don't.
Basically the maths works and any attempt to give quantum mechanics some deeper philosophical meaning is various shades of bullshit. But then I'm an atheist and a sceptic so I would believe that..."
All perfectly clear so far. Anyone know what Robert Huth says about it?
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 1, 2019 10:33:45 GMT
Bloody 'ell! We start with a gypsy curse and end up studying for a thesis in quantum physics! I thought all Stokies just knew about throw ins and offsides and that sort of stuff. A question for you boffins. How come I have vivid memories of events that never happened... ergo, some of my most treasured memories are special dreams. (Not particularly wet ones.) I saw a ghost once. "Ah" I hear you say, "It's all in the mind." Well then, explain how two minds saw the same ghost at the same time and we could both describe it perfectly to one another. It was a good ghost so it didn't phase either of us. I've liked one of my own post above to see if that lifts the curse. I'll try anything for 3 points tonight. OS.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 1, 2019 10:55:57 GMT
The maths says that 95% of the universe is invisible to our best instruments and theories; the "missing" energy permeates everything and the "missing" matter balances everything.
It could be said its the realm of the unobservable and inexplicable and therefore its possible the cause of our unfathomably shit luck could be there too.
Either there or the director's box.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Oct 1, 2019 17:00:54 GMT
If we're cursed then so are the 95% (if not more) of all other clubs (Note: I may have made up the 95%). How many clubs outside of the "big" ones have ever won anything anyway? For that matter, how many clubs have even made it to the top tier, ever? Yeah, we're cursed all right...wallowing in the 2nd tier deftly playing crap football with tons of clubs below us looking up.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 1, 2019 17:49:56 GMT
Bloody 'ell! We start with a gypsy curse and end up studying for a thesis in quantum physics! I thought all Stokies just knew about throw ins and offsides and that sort of stuff. A question for you boffins. How come I have vivid memories of events that never happened... ergo, some of my most treasured memories are special dreams. (Not particularly wet ones.) I saw a ghost once. "Ah" I hear you say, "It's all in the mind." Well then, explain how two minds saw the same ghost at the same time and we could both describe it perfectly to one another. It was a good ghost so it didn't phase either of us. I've liked one of my own post above to see if that lifts the curse. I'll try anything for 3 points tonight. OS. Personally I wouldn't waste too much time on the mechanics of the quantum, I have, it's theory, ie not proven nor provable other than on a calculator. A bit of a cliche but nature doesn't seem to do complex sums, beyond ratios, pi etc. As expressed in natural forms, spiral shells, ferns unfolding etc. It's the imbalance of 'the force' which drives growth. Transfers energy into matter {Fibonacci etc}. I think I could take a stab at providing a context for your phenomena but it'd take too long, Dreams are interesting and are not just one thing, part of it is the kind of organising/filing system, when other day brain functions are at rest. I think our given understanding of the brain is flawed. The electric body model is compelling, and states that muscles are analogous to power packs/batteries, which fuel the organs.. the majority of what we call the brain is a power pack and protection for the various glands within the endocrine system. These glands receive messages from the other organs and then release the crystalline hormones.. the hippocampus, pituitary, pineal etc... all release mood making juices... There's interesting research which states that gut reaction and heartfelt emotions are just that, that there is consciousness within the gut.. and heart.. and maybe in all organs.. The brain is vested in the glands, which are essentially crystalline in nature. These hormones often work in combination and the liver for example produces enzymes which inhibit certain brain chemicals... it prevents a gentleman from constantly tripping one's tits off, naturally.. Imbalances, sensory deprivation, food, drugs, environment atmosphere etc can trigger subtle imbalances, cause mood swings hallucinations etc. Interestingly the electric body model advocates keeping a ph balance in the body, like you would distilled water etc. but it also seems that atrophy is driven by the natural 'fungi' which resides within our body. That a lot of our moods and motivation is driven by an internal ongoing battle between bacteria and fungus... the fungus wants our carcass to process, the bacteria wants to thrive... the enzymes released in this tug of war is our life's journey.. A spoon of cider vinegar. The properties of crystals, how they receive, store, transmit, amplify and their non solid, non liquid state. The pineal gland. Collective consciousness, accelerated learning, Rupert Sheldrake offers interesting thoughts... The properties and possibilities of Plasma. Birkland currents, Schumann Resonances Cymatics are all of relevance imo... Perhaps you saw a ghost?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 1, 2019 17:56:25 GMT
Quote: "Niels Bohr adopted a continental philosophical position that goes back through Liebiniz to PLato that reality is a mental construct but within the British empiricist tradition that's never caught on. Most practising physicists take the pragmatic view that quantum mechanics provides a set of mathematical tools that happen to work and that any metaphysical speculation based on quantum mechanics is a waste of time. Fritjof Capra and few other have tried to meld quantum mechanics with eastern spiritual beliefs - but again his views aren't mainstream. Claims that quantum mechanics somehow supports or gives space for religion and the paranormal are considered hokum by the majority of the scientific and philosophical communities, The fact is no-one really knows how to interpret quantum mechanics in layman's terms so its ripe for exploitation by people who half understand it in order to confuse those that don't. Basically the maths works and any attempt to give quantum mechanics some deeper philosophical meaning is various shades of bullshit. But then I'm an atheist and a sceptic so I would believe that..." All perfectly clear so far. Anyone know what Robert Huth says about it? No cock.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 1, 2019 18:08:09 GMT
The maths says that 95% of the universe is invisible to our best instruments and theories; the "missing" energy permeates everything and the "missing" matter balances everything. It could be said its the realm of the unobservable and inexplicable and therefore its possible the cause of our unfathomably shit luck could be there too. Either there or the director's box. Makes me laugh how it all has to be either dark or negative, these things trhey invent in math based on incorrect assumptions fed in.. Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Dark Gravity, Dark Stars, Darth Vader, Black Holes... fabricated. 'The maths proves it', is circular logic... not proof of anything. Why can't it be light matter, so shiny we can't even see it? Because it doesn't exist. Why can't they do more Drake Equations, more nonsense but a less threatening and foreboding nomenclature. Imho.
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 1, 2019 18:18:01 GMT
Quote: "Niels Bohr adopted a continental philosophical position that goes back through Liebiniz to PLato that reality is a mental construct but within the British empiricist tradition that's never caught on. Most practising physicists take the pragmatic view that quantum mechanics provides a set of mathematical tools that happen to work and that any metaphysical speculation based on quantum mechanics is a waste of time. Fritjof Capra and few other have tried to meld quantum mechanics with eastern spiritual beliefs - but again his views aren't mainstream. Claims that quantum mechanics somehow supports or gives space for religion and the paranormal are considered hokum by the majority of the scientific and philosophical communities, The fact is no-one really knows how to interpret quantum mechanics in layman's terms so its ripe for exploitation by people who half understand it in order to confuse those that don't. Basically the maths works and any attempt to give quantum mechanics some deeper philosophical meaning is various shades of bullshit. But then I'm an atheist and a sceptic so I would believe that..." All perfectly clear so far. Anyone know what Robert Huth says about it?
No cock. WOOOSHHHH!
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Post by davethebass on Oct 1, 2019 18:26:17 GMT
Bloody 'ell! We start with a gypsy curse and end up studying for a thesis in quantum physics! I thought all Stokies just knew about throw ins and offsides and that sort of stuff. A question for you boffins. How come I have vivid memories of events that never happened... ergo, some of my most treasured memories are special dreams. (Not particularly wet ones.) I saw a ghost once. "Ah" I hear you say, "It's all in the mind." Well then, explain how two minds saw the same ghost at the same time and we could both describe it perfectly to one another. It was a good ghost so it didn't phase either of us. I've liked one of my own post above to see if that lifts the curse. I'll try anything for 3 points tonight. OS. Personally I wouldn't waste too much time on the mechanics of the quantum, I have, it's theory, ie not proven nor provable other than on a calculator. A bit of a cliche but nature doesn't seem to do complex sums, beyond ratios, pi etc. As expressed in natural forms, spiral shells, ferns unfolding etc. It's the imbalance of 'the force' which drives growth. Transfers energy into matter {Fibonacci etc}. I think I could take a stab at providing a context for your phenomena but it'd take too long, Dreams are interesting and are not just one thing, part of it is the kind of organising/filing system, when other day brain functions are at rest. I think our given understanding of the brain is flawed. The electric body model is compelling, and states that muscles are analogous to power packs/batteries, which fuel the organs.. the majority of what we call the brain is a power pack and protection for the various glands within the endocrine system. These glands receive messages from the other organs and then release the crystalline hormones.. the hippocampus, pituitary, pineal etc... all release mood making juices... There's interesting research which states that gut reaction and heartfelt emotions are just that, that there is consciousness within the gut.. and heart.. and maybe in all organs.. The brain is vested in the glands, which are essentially crystalline in nature. These hormones often work in combination and the liver for example produces enzymes which inhibit certain brain chemicals... it prevents a gentleman from constantly tripping one's tits off, naturally.. Imbalances, sensory deprivation, food, drugs, environment atmosphere etc can trigger subtle imbalances, cause mood swings hallucinations etc. Interestingly the electric body model advocates keeping a ph balance in the body, like you would distilled water etc. but it also seems that atrophy is driven by the natural 'fungi' which resides within our body. That a lot of our moods and motivation is driven by an internal ongoing battle between bacteria and fungus... the fungus wants our carcass to process, the bacteria wants to thrive... the enzymes released in this tug of war is our life's journey.. A spoon of cider vinegar. The properties of crystals, how they receive, store, transmit, amplify and their non solid, non liquid state. The pineal gland. Collective consciousness, accelerated learning, Rupert Sheldrake offers interesting thoughts... The properties and possibilities of Plasma. Birkland currents, Schumann Resonances Cymatics are all of relevance imo... Perhaps you saw a ghost? A lot of what you say is very interesting. Quantum physics addresses the nature of the stuff that you describe the organisation of imo. The strange state of crystals, and the strange state of water too btw, is a quantum coherence, with 'nonlocal' properties. That the maths can be complicated doesn't mean it's not valid. The mathematics of fluid flow or the sound coming from your speakers for example can be complicated. "One of the nice things about working in physics, though, is that it's [quantum physics] arguably the most well-tested theory in human history. There are beautiful, clear experiments demonstrating all of the strange properties of quantum physics-- there are still some arguments in the quantum foundations community about how best to interpret what's "really" going on to lead to the results, but the experimental evidence is absolutely unambiguous and without controversy." www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/07/20/three-experiments-that-show-quantum-physics-is-real/#59711a061ae5
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Post by ColonelMustard on Oct 1, 2019 18:32:58 GMT
The maths says that 95% of the universe is invisible to our best instruments and theories; the "missing" energy permeates everything and the "missing" matter balances everything. It could be said its the realm of the unobservable and inexplicable and therefore its possible the cause of our unfathomably shit luck could be there too. Either there or the director's box. Makes me laugh how it all has to be either dark or negative, these things trhey invent in math based on incorrect assumptions fed in.. Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Dark Gravity, Dark Stars, Darth Vader, Black Holes... fabricated. 'The maths proves it', is circular logic... not proof of anything. Why can't it be light matter, so shiny we can't even see it? Because it doesn't exist. Why can't they do more Drake Equations, more nonsense but a less threatening and foreboding nomenclature. Imho. I guess it's dark to science and they've given it the name. It might have been a bit of a depressing find if you are in the business of knowing and naming stuff. As you say it could be the opposite. Could be the brightest, most kaleidoscopic energy in the universe. Just got to wait for the scientists to find the right way of seeing it and change the name.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 1, 2019 18:35:35 GMT
Can either of you two do any plastering?
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Cursed
Oct 1, 2019 18:51:09 GMT
Post by davethebass on Oct 1, 2019 18:51:09 GMT
The maths says that 95% of the universe is invisible to our best instruments and theories; the "missing" energy permeates everything and the "missing" matter balances everything. It could be said its the realm of the unobservable and inexplicable and therefore its possible the cause of our unfathomably shit luck could be there too. Either there or the director's box. Makes me laugh how it all has to be either dark or negative, these things trhey invent in math based on incorrect assumptions fed in.. Dark Matter, Dark Energy, Dark Gravity, Dark Stars, Darth Vader, Black Holes... fabricated. 'The maths proves it', is circular logic... not proof of anything. Why can't it be light matter, so shiny we can't even see it? Because it doesn't exist. Why can't they do more Drake Equations, more nonsense but a less threatening and foreboding nomenclature. Imho. Lol I totally agree physicists often make shit names for things! lol But that's just semantics, and doesn't detract from the subject matter. The colonel makes a very good point imo that it doesn't seem fair to dismiss based on semantics. It's proven from, for example, the speeds of stellar orbits in the galaxy that 'dark matter' exists. In any case i can't think of any grounds to state unequivocally that it doesn't exist! Given your very interesting take on things, I think you're missing a trick here considering some of the science thst you dismiss. Imho ....anyway, crap I'm missing the match now!! edit: phew, 8pm kick off, haven't missed any!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 1, 2019 18:56:27 GMT
Personally I wouldn't waste too much time on the mechanics of the quantum, I have, it's theory, ie not proven nor provable other than on a calculator. A bit of a cliche but nature doesn't seem to do complex sums, beyond ratios, pi etc. As expressed in natural forms, spiral shells, ferns unfolding etc. It's the imbalance of 'the force' which drives growth. Transfers energy into matter {Fibonacci etc}. I think I could take a stab at providing a context for your phenomena but it'd take too long, Dreams are interesting and are not just one thing, part of it is the kind of organising/filing system, when other day brain functions are at rest. I think our given understanding of the brain is flawed. The electric body model is compelling, and states that muscles are analogous to power packs/batteries, which fuel the organs.. the majority of what we call the brain is a power pack and protection for the various glands within the endocrine system. These glands receive messages from the other organs and then release the crystalline hormones.. the hippocampus, pituitary, pineal etc... all release mood making juices... There's interesting research which states that gut reaction and heartfelt emotions are just that, that there is consciousness within the gut.. and heart.. and maybe in all organs.. The brain is vested in the glands, which are essentially crystalline in nature. These hormones often work in combination and the liver for example produces enzymes which inhibit certain brain chemicals... it prevents a gentleman from constantly tripping one's tits off, naturally.. Imbalances, sensory deprivation, food, drugs, environment atmosphere etc can trigger subtle imbalances, cause mood swings hallucinations etc. Interestingly the electric body model advocates keeping a ph balance in the body, like you would distilled water etc. but it also seems that atrophy is driven by the natural 'fungi' which resides within our body. That a lot of our moods and motivation is driven by an internal ongoing battle between bacteria and fungus... the fungus wants our carcass to process, the bacteria wants to thrive... the enzymes released in this tug of war is our life's journey.. A spoon of cider vinegar. The properties of crystals, how they receive, store, transmit, amplify and their non solid, non liquid state. The pineal gland. Collective consciousness, accelerated learning, Rupert Sheldrake offers interesting thoughts... The properties and possibilities of Plasma. Birkland currents, Schumann Resonances Cymatics are all of relevance imo... Perhaps you saw a ghost? A lot of what you say is very interesting. Quantum physics addresses the nature of the stuff that you describe the organisation of imo. The strange state of crystals, and the strange state of water too btw, is a quantum coherence, with 'nonlocal' properties. That the maths can be complicated doesn't mean it's not valid. The mathematics of fluid flow or the sound coming from your speakers for example can be complicated. "One of the nice things about working in physics, though, is that it's [quantum physics] arguably the most well-tested theory in human history. There are beautiful, clear experiments demonstrating all of the strange properties of quantum physics-- there are still some arguments in the quantum foundations community about how best to interpret what's "really" going on to lead to the results, but the experimental evidence is absolutely unambiguous and without controversy." www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/07/20/three-experiments-that-show-quantum-physics-is-real/#59711a061ae5Cheeers for the link, I'll have a look later, cheer myself up.
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