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Post by musik on Sept 22, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
The cost of treating type 2 diabetics is currently 1/5 of the total nhs budget , this is expected to rise to £17 billion by 2035 . This disease is largely a lifestyle issue and is avoidable if the patient is willing to accept the changes necessary, many can't be arsed 'Can't be arsed' isn't the right phrase for what in a lot of cases is addiction. But even so, does that mean they should be priced out of medicine? People are dying in the US because they are only buying a fraction of the insulin they need, due to the cost, and hoping they can make do. Correct. Plus the fact that diabetes 2 isn't totally life style caused. Many cases comes from an aging body. The body has it more difficult to use the insuline it produces. Both my parents had it. I know quite a bit.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 3:05:11 GMT
The cost of treating type 2 diabetics is currently 1/5 of the total nhs budget , this is expected to rise to £17 billion by 2035 . This disease is largely a lifestyle issue and is avoidable if the patient is willing to accept the changes necessary, many can't be arsed 'Can't be arsed' isn't the right phrase for what in a lot of cases is addiction. But even so, does that mean they should be priced out of medicine? People are dying in the US because they are only buying a fraction of the insulin they need, due to the cost, and hoping they can make do. Addiction?
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 3:10:51 GMT
'Can't be arsed' isn't the right phrase for what in a lot of cases is addiction. But even so, does that mean they should be priced out of medicine? People are dying in the US because they are only buying a fraction of the insulin they need, due to the cost, and hoping they can make do. Correct. Plus the fact that diabetes 2 isn't totally life style caused. Many cases comes from an aging body. The body has it more difficult to use the insuline it produces. Both my parents had it. I know quite a bit. thats true , but by making changes to your lifestyle, diet and exercise you can help to prevent it
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 23, 2019 3:46:31 GMT
Back to schools this could be a good thing in one of 2 ways if the rich have to become reliant on there abilities' to get into a school and not the size of there wallet then this can help a number of things 1 we will not have as much of an elitist class where the majority of our politicians come from the eton class. 2 it opens up education to the gifted child that comes from a poorer family in the short term and allows them social mobility on there talents and not on there families wealth. 3 if different classes are mixing at younger ages this can lead to a breakdown in social classes and also creating a united country that is not as reliant on stereotypes of the classes and more on the individual.
However there are some problems long term with this !! what makes a private school better than the public sector is down to the amount of resources that they have in comparison to the state sector this is because they can afford to have low class sizes and the best up to date equipment as mummy and daddy will pay ! this is what gives them what some people say is an unfair advantage when getting the top places at uni at the Oxbridge colleges. Could it also lead to rich parents going to private schools abroad !! (but where after brexit) and these private schools just relocating there ??
SO on the one hand it may be good short term but not so sure in the long term!
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 5:13:32 GMT
Back to schools this could be a good thing in one of 2 ways if the rich have to become reliant on there abilities' to get into a school and not the size of there wallet then this can help a number of things 1 we will not have as much of an elitist class where the majority of our politicians come from the eton class. 2 it opens up education to the gifted child that comes from a poorer family in the short term and allows them social mobility on there talents and not on there families wealth. 3 if different classes are mixing at younger ages this can lead to a breakdown in social classes and also creating a united country that is not as reliant on stereotypes of the classes and more on the individual. However there are some problems long term with this !! what makes a private school better than the public sector is down to the amount of resources that they have in comparison to the state sector this is because they can afford to have low class sizes and the best up to date equipment as mummy and daddy will pay ! this is what gives them what some people say is an unfair advantage when getting the top places at uni at the Oxbridge colleges. Could it also lead to rich parents going to private schools abroad !! (but where after brexit) and these private schools just relocating there ?? SO on the one hand it may be good short term but not so sure in the long term! This has absolutely nothing to do with education, it's just part of labours war on the middle classes . Fortunately the more of these crackpot policies labor produces the further away from power they get .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 5:39:08 GMT
'Can't be arsed' isn't the right phrase for what in a lot of cases is addiction. But even so, does that mean they should be priced out of medicine? People are dying in the US because they are only buying a fraction of the insulin they need, due to the cost, and hoping they can make do. Correct. Plus the fact that diabetes 2 isn't totally life style caused. Many cases comes from an aging body. The body has it more difficult to use the insuline it produces. Both my parents had it. I know quite a bit. Don’t you control insulin by changing diet then?
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 5:44:53 GMT
Correct. Plus the fact that diabetes 2 isn't totally life style caused. Many cases comes from an aging body. The body has it more difficult to use the insuline it produces. Both my parents had it. I know quite a bit. Don’t you control insulin by changing diet then? Your aging body does find it more difficult to process and control blood sugar, the way to combat this is to cut down on carbs and calories, and walk once or twice a day
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 23, 2019 5:56:35 GMT
Back to schools this could be a good thing in one of 2 ways if the rich have to become reliant on there abilities' to get into a school and not the size of there wallet then this can help a number of things 1 we will not have as much of an elitist class where the majority of our politicians come from the eton class. 2 it opens up education to the gifted child that comes from a poorer family in the short term and allows them social mobility on there talents and not on there families wealth. 3 if different classes are mixing at younger ages this can lead to a breakdown in social classes and also creating a united country that is not as reliant on stereotypes of the classes and more on the individual. However there are some problems long term with this !! what makes a private school better than the public sector is down to the amount of resources that they have in comparison to the state sector this is because they can afford to have low class sizes and the best up to date equipment as mummy and daddy will pay ! this is what gives them what some people say is an unfair advantage when getting the top places at uni at the Oxbridge colleges. Could it also lead to rich parents going to private schools abroad !! (but where after brexit) and these private schools just relocating there ?? SO on the one hand it may be good short term but not so sure in the long term! Labour almost hit on a sensible policy, but then their Marxist tendencies kicked in. It is plain wrong, IMO, that private schools get any tax benefits particularly as a consequence of charitable status. If Labour’s policy had stopped there they’d have my backing - on this one issue! But, no. They couldn’t stop there. Instead they produced a truly absurd policy that they will abolish private schools. And as you say, there are inevitable consequences. Not the least of which will the government embroiled in court cases from here till kingdom come. That will see precious financial resources moved from education to fighting a case they will inevitably lose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 6:50:01 GMT
Don’t you control insulin by changing diet then? Your aging body does find it more difficult to process and control blood sugar, the way to combat this is to cut down on carbs and calories, and walk once or twice a day 😉
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 23, 2019 7:23:30 GMT
There's no such thing as 'free healthcare' it's funded by taxation. There has to be some limit on how much is spent otherwise some people would be going to their doctor's because there was nothing to watch on TV. And that's why Doctors should be open at night, especially weekends. There's fuck all on TV satdee/sundee nayte! I was talking to a GP in Macclesfield & he said that he has a run of female punters on a Friday afternoon complaining of smelly fanny syndrome, cause they’re off on the pull for the weekend!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 9:06:35 GMT
Back to schools this could be a good thing in one of 2 ways if the rich have to become reliant on there abilities' to get into a school and not the size of there wallet then this can help a number of things 1 we will not have as much of an elitist class where the majority of our politicians come from the eton class. 2 it opens up education to the gifted child that comes from a poorer family in the short term and allows them social mobility on there talents and not on there families wealth. 3 if different classes are mixing at younger ages this can lead to a breakdown in social classes and also creating a united country that is not as reliant on stereotypes of the classes and more on the individual. However there are some problems long term with this !! what makes a private school better than the public sector is down to the amount of resources that they have in comparison to the state sector this is because they can afford to have low class sizes and the best up to date equipment as mummy and daddy will pay ! this is what gives them what some people say is an unfair advantage when getting the top places at uni at the Oxbridge colleges. Could it also lead to rich parents going to private schools abroad !! (but where after brexit) and these private schools just relocating there ?? SO on the one hand it may be good short term but not so sure in the long term! Labour almost hit on a sensible policy, but then their Marxist tendencies kicked in. It is plain wrong, IMO, that private schools get any tax benefits particularly as a consequence of charitable status. If Labour’s policy had stopped there they’d have my backing - on this one issue! But, no. They couldn’t stop there. Instead they produced a truly absurd policy that they will abolish private schools. And as you say, there are inevitable consequences. Not the least of which will the government embroiled in court cases from here till kingdom come. That will see precious financial resources moved from education to fighting a case they will inevitably lose. It's easy to be dimissive of a proposal to scrap or change the current system, but it actually makes perfect sense in a progressive society. Just under 6% of kids go to Private schools, and they make up just under 50% of Oxbridge admissions. Our politics, our institutions, our media are a breeding ground for the "elite". This makes it far more difficult to change the status quo than for countries such as Finland who don't have the same fucked up relationships with "class" as we do here in Blighty. But their hybrid system of allow privately run but publicly funded schools with total inclusivity helps make their education system one of, if not the, best in the world. We should learn from these countries. But as you say as a bare minimum these schools should lose their charitable status, that would certainly be a good starting point.
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Post by musik on Sept 23, 2019 10:33:33 GMT
Just under 6% of kids go to Private schools. --- more difficult to change the status quo than for countries such as Finland who don't have the same fucked up relationships with "class" as we do here in Blighty. How many are they approximately in % at different age levels? 7-9 10-12 13-15 16-18 and at University level?
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Post by redstriper on Sept 23, 2019 10:47:24 GMT
I was talking this through with a bunch of fellow fee paying parents at the weekend, even those with socialist ideals could see no merit in it whatsoever, and to a man/woman vowed that they would never again vote labour whilst Corbyn and his crew have the reigns. None of us were rich, privileged inheritors of wealth, just hard working parents making sacrifices to give our kids a better life. They all said they were planning to vote liberal next time around.
Hence this fuckwitted policy proposal is doing the country a favour as it ensures labour remain un-electable.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 11:24:58 GMT
Labour almost hit on a sensible policy, but then their Marxist tendencies kicked in. It is plain wrong, IMO, that private schools get any tax benefits particularly as a consequence of charitable status. If Labour’s policy had stopped there they’d have my backing - on this one issue! But, no. They couldn’t stop there. Instead they produced a truly absurd policy that they will abolish private schools. And as you say, there are inevitable consequences. Not the least of which will the government embroiled in court cases from here till kingdom come. That will see precious financial resources moved from education to fighting a case they will inevitably lose. It's easy to be dimissive of a proposal to scrap or change the current system, but it actually makes perfect sense in a progressive society. Just under 6% of kids go to Private schools, and they make up just under 50% of Oxbridge admissions. Our politics, our institutions, our media are a breeding ground for the "elite". This makes it far more difficult to change the status quo than for countries such as Finland who don't have the same fucked up relationships with "class" as we do here in Blighty. But their hybrid system of allow privately run but publicly funded schools with total inclusivity helps make their education system one of, if not the, best in the world. We should learn from these countries. But as you say as a bare minimum these schools should lose their charitable status, that would certainly be a good starting point. The problem then isn’t private schools but the entry procedures of top universities Surely some sort of system that makes universities applications more fair or even independent would be a better policy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 11:29:57 GMT
I was talking this through with a bunch of fellow fee paying parents at the weekend, even those with socialist ideals could see no merit in it whatsoever, and to a man/woman vowed that they would never again vote labour whilst Corbyn and his crew have the reigns. None of us were rich, privileged inheritors of wealth, just hard working parents making sacrifices to give our kids a better life. They all said they were planning to vote liberal next time around. Hence this fuckwitted policy proposal is doing the country a favour as it ensures labour remain un-electable. Are you saying that someone living in Tower Hamlets or Lambeth, or deprived areas of the West Midlands/North West/Yorkshire/North Wast doesn’t work hard and make sacrifices for their children? Because for some people their choice is an under funded school in special measures that can’t even attract enough teachers, or nothing....... It’s about equality across the board.......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 11:36:23 GMT
It's easy to be dimissive of a proposal to scrap or change the current system, but it actually makes perfect sense in a progressive society. Just under 6% of kids go to Private schools, and they make up just under 50% of Oxbridge admissions. Our politics, our institutions, our media are a breeding ground for the "elite". This makes it far more difficult to change the status quo than for countries such as Finland who don't have the same fucked up relationships with "class" as we do here in Blighty. But their hybrid system of allow privately run but publicly funded schools with total inclusivity helps make their education system one of, if not the, best in the world. We should learn from these countries. But as you say as a bare minimum these schools should lose their charitable status, that would certainly be a good starting point. The problem then isn’t private schools but the entry procedures of top universities Surely some sort of system that makes universities applications more fair or even independent would be a better policy. The problem actually starts from pre-school and carries on right through to university, what’s needed is a radical change to our education system to bring us in line with Scandinavian countries and Far East Asia, but governments only ever look forward the next term of office in this country so it won’t happen. If a private school remains a private school but gets its funding from the government and opens its doors so it’s fully inclusive what’s the problem in theory? Of course there would be no additional profiteering under the system but that doesn’t affect us as parents or the kids, so what? No favourable taxation is required by giving them charitable status, just the same great teachers and the same great facilities being shared for all. It’s a race to the top not a race to the bottom.....
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Post by redstriper on Sept 23, 2019 12:13:49 GMT
I was talking this through with a bunch of fellow fee paying parents at the weekend, even those with socialist ideals could see no merit in it whatsoever, and to a man/woman vowed that they would never again vote labour whilst Corbyn and his crew have the reigns. None of us were rich, privileged inheritors of wealth, just hard working parents making sacrifices to give our kids a better life. They all said they were planning to vote liberal next time around. Hence this fuckwitted policy proposal is doing the country a favour as it ensures labour remain un-electable. Are you saying that someone living in Tower Hamlets or Lambeth, or deprived areas of the West Midlands/North West/Yorkshire/North Wast doesn’t work hard and make sacrifices for their children? Because for some people their choice is an under funded school in special measures that can’t even attract enough teachers, or nothing....... It’s about equality across the board....... As it happens i went to a poor quality comp in the west midlands. It didn't stop me, I had a work ethic and incentives. It's used as an excuse by people who make poor life choices and even worse parents.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:46:19 GMT
Are you saying that someone living in Tower Hamlets or Lambeth, or deprived areas of the West Midlands/North West/Yorkshire/North Wast doesn’t work hard and make sacrifices for their children? Because for some people their choice is an under funded school in special measures that can’t even attract enough teachers, or nothing....... It’s about equality across the board....... As it happens i went to a poor quality comp in the west midlands. It didn't stop me, I had a work ethic and incentives. It's used as an excuse by people who make poor life choices and even worse parents. I can guarantee you that if you switched out all the kids in my private school with all the kids in a local comp from year 7 and kept them there til year 13, the rates of success at each would not change. The kids who would've been left behind in the state school would be far more likely to excel, and the kids who would've excelled at the private school would be more likely to do worse. Rich children are not magically born smart, and their life choices are very often a product of their environment. eg. kid who goes to shithole school with 40 kids in a class less likely to care about learning. It is not an excuse at all to say that state schools give significantly less opportunity than private schools. They produce good grades because the kids who go there live in an environment where learning is generally more cherished, not because of their genetics.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:47:31 GMT
Are you saying that someone living in Tower Hamlets or Lambeth, or deprived areas of the West Midlands/North West/Yorkshire/North Wast doesn’t work hard and make sacrifices for their children? Because for some people their choice is an under funded school in special measures that can’t even attract enough teachers, or nothing....... It’s about equality across the board....... As it happens i went to a poor quality comp in the west midlands. It didn't stop me, I had a work ethic and incentives. It's used as an excuse by people who make poor life choices and even worse parents. That’s great, sounds similar to my life at school. That still doesn’t meant we shouldn’t raise education standards across the board though.....
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 13:00:08 GMT
And that's why Doctors should be open at night, especially weekends. There's fuck all on TV satdee/sundee nayte! I was talking to a GP in Macclesfield & he said that he has a run of female punters on a Friday afternoon complaining of smelly fanny syndrome, cause they’re off on the pull for the weekend! Macclesfield you say
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 23, 2019 13:01:58 GMT
I was talking to a GP in Macclesfield & he said that he has a run of female punters on a Friday afternoon complaining of smelly fanny syndrome, cause they’re off on the pull for the weekend! Macclesfield you say Yeah, just think Mac&cheese!
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 13:12:23 GMT
As it happens i went to a poor quality comp in the west midlands. It didn't stop me, I had a work ethic and incentives. It's used as an excuse by people who make poor life choices and even worse parents. I can guarantee you that if you switched out all the kids in my private school with all the kids in a local comp from year 7 and kept them there til year 13, the rates of success at each would not change. The kids who would've been left behind in the state school would be far more likely to excel, and the kids who would've excelled at the private school would be more likely to do worse. Rich children are not magically born smart, and their life choices are very often a product of their environment. eg. kid who goes to shithole school with 40 kids in a class less likely to care about learning. It is not an excuse at all to say that state schools give significantly less opportunity than private schools. They produce good grades because the kids who go there live in an environment where learning is generally more cherished, not because of their genetics. So what you are saying in essence is that it's wrong for people with disposable income to send their kids to private schools despite admitting it will give them a better education and better opportunities compared to the state system. How can you possibly argue against parents that do this , yours for instance, when all you are advocating is dumbing down the the whole sector. Private schools and grammar schools are NOT the reason for some area have shit schools with disruptive kids . I would never settle for a poor education for my kids because labor wants to conduct its far left social experiments at the expense of quality schools . Improve the schools first and see how parents respond
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 13:27:03 GMT
As it happens i went to a poor quality comp in the west midlands. It didn't stop me, I had a work ethic and incentives. It's used as an excuse by people who make poor life choices and even worse parents. I can guarantee you that if you switched out all the kids in my private school with all the kids in a local comp from year 7 and kept them there til year 13, the rates of success at each would not change. The kids who would've been left behind in the state school would be far more likely to excel, and the kids who would've excelled at the private school would be more likely to do worse. Rich children are not magically born smart, and their life choices are very often a product of their environment. eg. kid who goes to shithole school with 40 kids in a class less likely to care about learning. It is not an excuse at all to say that state schools give significantly less opportunity than private schools. They produce good grades because the kids who go there live in an environment where learning is generally more cherished, not because of their genetics. You are still forgetting parental input
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 23, 2019 13:28:34 GMT
Are people really taken in by comrade Corbins man of the people act? He went to a fucking private school!
He went to a prep school until he was 11. It's a tiny, little school where the kids do absolutely no better in their future lives than the kids at other schools in town because they're only bloody primary school kids in a shithole town....and most in this shithole town don't tend to leave. It's like the Royston Vasey of Shropshire (i see plenty of former Castle House kids now manning the tills in Waitrose and Aldi every day). Indeed, most of the kids that go there have always been local kids from town. It's not like he went to Eton with rich kids from out of the area attending.
His secondary school was by no means a private school!!! Grammar school, yes...Private school,no.
They let any old fuckers in there (as long as they passed the 11+), believe me!
P.S. Not defending Corbyn as a person by the way, he's still a fossilised mammoth's cock
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Post by yeokel on Sept 23, 2019 14:05:14 GMT
Are people really taken in by comrade Corbins man of the people act? He went to a fucking private school! He went to a prep school until he was 11. It's a tiny, little school where the kids do absolutely no better in their future lives than the kids at other schools in town because they're only bloody primary school kids in a shithole town..............
His secondary school was by no means a private school!!! Grammar school, yes...Private school,no. They let any old fuckers in there (as long as they passed the 11+), believe me!
P.S. Not defending Corbyn as a person by the way, he's still a fossilised mammoth's cock I'm not sure I fully agree with that (apart from the mammoth's cock bit). I went to Madeley (Sir John Offley) primary school and was one of five who passed their 11+. Most of us went to Newcastle High School afterwards. We joined a fairly large group of kids who had been to Edenhurst Prep School in Newcastle. They were so far ahead of us in terms of knowledge, educational achievements and knowing ‘how to learn’ and get the best out of school it was quite astounding. We were as proud as punch what with us being the few who had passed, but had the wind knocked out of us when we realised how far behind we were compared with Edenhurst and other prep-school kids. I’m not sure that we ever really closed the gap, particularly as after the first year we were streamed so most of us Madeley kids ended up in the lower stream and the Edenhurst lot went in to the top stream. (As an aside, if I recall correctly, the only ones who passed the 11+ at Madeley that year were boys. I don’t recall any of the girls passing which probably says quite a lot about the expectations of the school & parents at the time).
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 14:23:56 GMT
He went to a prep school until he was 11. It's a tiny, little school where the kids do absolutely no better in their future lives than the kids at other schools in town because they're only bloody primary school kids in a shithole town..............
His secondary school was by no means a private school!!! Grammar school, yes...Private school,no. They let any old fuckers in there (as long as they passed the 11+), believe me!
P.S. Not defending Corbyn as a person by the way, he's still a fossilised mammoth's cock I'm not sure I fully agree with that (apart from the mammoth's cock bit). I went to Madeley (Sir John Offley) primary school and was one of five who passed their 11+. Most of us went to Newcastle High School afterwards. We joined a fairly large group of kids who had been to Edenhurst Prep School in Newcastle. They were so far ahead of us in terms of knowledge, educational achievements and knowing ‘how to learn’ and get the best out of school it was quite astounding. We were as proud as punch what with us being the few who had passed, but had the wind knocked out of us when we realised how far behind we were compared with Edenhurst and other prep-school kids. I’m not sure that we ever really closed the gap, particularly as after the first year we were streamed so most of us Madeley kids ended up in the lower stream and the Edenhurst lot went in to the top stream. (As an aside, if I recall correctly, the only ones who passed the 11+ at Madeley that year were boys. I don’t recall any of the girls passing which probably says quite a lot about the expectations of the school & parents at the time). My kids started childcare nursery at 6 months due to our work. When they actually started preschool they were ahead of the other kids. After a couple of years it evened out. I still maintain that I’d you invest time and effort in your kids they will succeed. I try and make my kids do clubs. Nothing too elite. They both had swimming lessons, daughter does dance and the lad does scouts and football. We also take interest in their school work. Obviously this costs but it’s not the biggest amount in the world. For example scouts probably cost me £250 a year with the camps As such they are quite Independent well rounded children who want to learn and want to get better at what they do. Make a few sacrifices and invest time in your kids. Get them active get them interested in learning and other activities and you give them an ethic to succeed. A private education may help but if parents do not take some responsibility then the kids suffer. Rather than fuck about with private schools (tax and charitable status aside) is like to see government fund kids from poorer backgrounds to have extra curricular activities with caveats to ensure parents contribute some time. The sad fact is that some parents don’t invest in their kids. Take reading for example, reading with your kids when they are young and encouraging them to read every night has huge benefits in knowledge. If you can’t be arsed how will your kids take a greater interest.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 23, 2019 14:29:24 GMT
It’s a race to the top not a race to the bottom..... That sums it up though, breaking up private schools and sharing the ultimate best teachers and their resources around won't raise anyone up, it will dilute their influence and bring the posh toff kids down. They may have a lot by comparison to the rest of us but there's a hell of a lot more working and lower middle class communities out there whose schools would swallow that up with nothing to show for it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2019 14:33:13 GMT
As it happens i went to a poor quality comp in the west midlands. It didn't stop me, I had a work ethic and incentives. It's used as an excuse by people who make poor life choices and even worse parents. That’s great, sounds similar to my life at school. That still doesn’t meant we shouldn’t raise education standards across the board though..... Why can't you raise the standard of comprehensive schools and keep private schools for those who want to pay extra? If comprehensive schools were made excellent wouldn't there be less need to go private?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 23, 2019 14:41:54 GMT
He went to a prep school until he was 11. It's a tiny, little school where the kids do absolutely no better in their future lives than the kids at other schools in town because they're only bloody primary school kids in a shithole town..............
His secondary school was by no means a private school!!! Grammar school, yes...Private school,no. They let any old fuckers in there (as long as they passed the 11+), believe me!
P.S. Not defending Corbyn as a person by the way, he's still a fossilised mammoth's cock I'm not sure I fully agree with that (apart from the mammoth's cock bit). I went to Madeley (Sir John Offley) primary school and was one of five who passed their 11+. Most of us went to Newcastle High School afterwards. We joined a fairly large group of kids who had been to Edenhurst Prep School in Newcastle. They were so far ahead of us in terms of knowledge, educational achievements and knowing ‘how to learn’ and get the best out of school it was quite astounding. We were as proud as punch what with us being the few who had passed, but had the wind knocked out of us when we realised how far behind we were compared with Edenhurst and other prep-school kids. I’m not sure that we ever really closed the gap, particularly as after the first year we were streamed so most of us Madeley kids ended up in the lower stream and the Edenhurst lot went in to the top stream. (As an aside, if I recall correctly, the only ones who passed the 11+ at Madeley that year were boys. I don’t recall any of the girls passing which probably says quite a lot about the expectations of the school & parents at the time).
The point i was making is this idea that he went to "Private school" meaning it can be comapred to the well-known Private schools like Eton, etc. "Oh it's technically a private school and they're obviously all the same".
The prep school he went to was (and still is) a very small, local school largely used by local families. It's a normal, small town with very few "rich" families. Most parents who send their kids there do so simply out of snobbishness and nothing else and take out second mortgages/loans to cover the costs (it really is that kind of shitty small minded town where some think like that..think of a few thousand Hyacinth Bucket's and you won't be far off!).
I went to a secondary which, again during my time and Corbyn's...although he was a few years before me, was mostly local kids from the area who had simply passed their 11+. There were plenty of Castle House (the prep school Corbyn was at) kids in my year, none of them did any better than any of the rest of us and most now still live in town working standard 9-5 office jobs like the rest of us (and genuinely, some are now working in local supermarkets etc like a lot of mums do just to help make ends meet). In fact a lot of people at the local comprehensive did far better GCSE-wise than me or some of my friends at the grammar.
This idea that you can sling the phrase "Private school" at something and that they're all the same, they all only allow privileged members of society into their ranks and their kids alll end up being CEO's or international ambassadors for high flying companies earning hundreds of thousands just isn't right really.
There are many different types/standards of Prep schools and Private schools, i was merely pointing out the context of Corbyn's "Private" education. Anyone thinking the schools he went to were full of toff's in mini-mortar boards, poshing it up being all high and mighty and having parents rolling up in their Bentley's at half term to pick them up, is way off the mark and they should possibly stop painting all "Private" schools with the same brush, simply so they can use their own incorrect preconceptions as some kind of a stick to beat him with.
There are plenty of ways you can insult, discredit and take the piss out of Corbyn....his education though, you can't really. He went to a small Primary school (none of us in town think of it as anything other than one of town's several Primary schools) where some students go on to the local Grammar school and some end up at comprehensives around Newport and Telford, and when he left there he went to (what was until recent years) the local state run Grammar school.....incidentally, one of my old teachers was also one of Corbyn's from years earlier and about 2 years ago did an article in our local rag where he described Corbyn as a "thoroughly mediocre student" as well as "bland", so some things never change with age it appears!
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 14:48:03 GMT
I'm not sure I fully agree with that (apart from the mammoth's cock bit). I went to Madeley (Sir John Offley) primary school and was one of five who passed their 11+. Most of us went to Newcastle High School afterwards. We joined a fairly large group of kids who had been to Edenhurst Prep School in Newcastle. They were so far ahead of us in terms of knowledge, educational achievements and knowing ‘how to learn’ and get the best out of school it was quite astounding. We were as proud as punch what with us being the few who had passed, but had the wind knocked out of us when we realised how far behind we were compared with Edenhurst and other prep-school kids. I’m not sure that we ever really closed the gap, particularly as after the first year we were streamed so most of us Madeley kids ended up in the lower stream and the Edenhurst lot went in to the top stream. (As an aside, if I recall correctly, the only ones who passed the 11+ at Madeley that year were boys. I don’t recall any of the girls passing which probably says quite a lot about the expectations of the school & parents at the time). The point i was making is this idea that he went to "Private school" meaning it can be comapred to the well-known Private schools like Eton, etc. "Oh it's technically a private school and they're obviously all the same".
The prep school he went to was (and still is) a very small, local school largely used by local families. It's a normal, small town with very few "rich" families. Most parents who send their kids there do so simply out of snobbishness and nothing else and take out second mortgages/loans to cover the costs (it really is that kind of shitty small minded town where some think like that..think of a few thousand Hyacinth Bucket's and you won't be far off!). I went to a secondary which, again during my time and Corbyn's...although he was a few years before me, was mostly local kids from the area who had simply passed their 11+. There were plenty of Castle House (the prep school Corbyn was at) kids in my year, none of them did any better than any of the rest of us and most now still live in town working standard 9-5 office jobs like the rest of us (and genuinely, some are now working in local supermarkets etc like a lot of mums do just to help make ends meet). In fact a lot of people at the local comprehensive did far better GCSE-wise than me or some of my friends at the grammar.
This idea that you can sling the phrase "Private school" at something and that they're all the same, they all only allow privileged members of society into their ranks and their kids alll end up being CEO's or international ambassadors for high flying companies earning hundreds of thousands just isn't right really. There are many different types/standards of Prep schools and Private schools, i was merely pointing out the context of Corbyn's "Private" education. Anyone thinking the schools he went to were full of toff's in mini-mortar boards, poshing it up being all high and mighty and having parents rolling up in their Bentley's at half term to pick them up, is way off the mark and they should possibly stop painting all "Private" schools with the same brush, simply so they can use their own incorrect preconceptions as some kind of a stick to beat him with. There are plenty of ways you can insult, discredit and take the piss out of Corbyn....his education though, you can't really. He went to a small Primary school (none of us in town think of it as anything other than one of town's several Primary schools) where some students go on to the local Grammar school and some end up at comprehensives around Newport and Telford, and when he left there he went to (what was until recent years) a state run Grammar school.
i wish the fuckers in that grammar school would use the crossings instead of jumping In front of parked cars down the high street
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