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Post by M on Sept 21, 2019 11:57:58 GMT
So its Labour party conference time and a proposal by the 'Abolish Eton Campaign' is getting some oxygen with a couple of cabinet members backing it. The concept is it would see Labour commit to integrating private schools into the state sector and include a redistribution of the endowments, investment and properties held by private schools across all.
Thoughts?
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 21, 2019 12:03:52 GMT
The politics of envy as usual from the Marxists in opposition, how many PLP sent their kids to private school again
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 21, 2019 12:20:31 GMT
It's just an awful idea. If anything there should be more choice about the type of school parents can send their kids to, not less.
Horrible, horrible idea.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 21, 2019 12:51:35 GMT
I sent my older kids to private schools , I wasn't rich , still aren't . All my ex wife's salary and a chunk of mine went to pay for it . It's the reason my pension suffered and I'm still working Lots of people sacrifice lots of things to do this . These parents are also not costing the taxpayers the cost of. State education
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Post by basingstokie on Sept 21, 2019 15:52:05 GMT
Why not, then abholish private health care and make everyone use the NHS. Then for true equality of opportunity, decide what an appropriate income is (say £30k), tax everything above that at 100% and provide state benefits to ensure anyone below that is made up to that level.
Maybe even mandate the car you can drive, TV you can watch ....
Corbyn is a fcuking idiot
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Post by mattyd on Sept 21, 2019 15:55:47 GMT
I think it's a great idea, as this policy in their mandate will once again ensure they lose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 16:00:54 GMT
It's an atrocious idea, especially given the state (excuse the pun) of state schools.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2019 16:12:36 GMT
I sent my older kids to private schools , I wasn't rich , still aren't . All my ex wife's salary and a chunk of mine went to pay for it . It's the reason my pension suffered and I'm still working Lots of people sacrifice lots of things to do this . These parents are also not costing the taxpayers the cost of. State education That’s good of all your ex wives chipping in for your kids educationXx
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2019 16:16:14 GMT
So its Labour party conference time and a proposal by the 'Abolish Eton Campaign' is getting some oxygen with a couple of cabinet members backing it. The concept is it would see Labour commit to integrating private schools into the state sector and include a redistribution of the endowments, investment and properties held by private schools across all. Thoughts? Would they nationalise the independent schools, cause otherwise they’d have a shed load of school places to find for all them displaced kids...
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2019 16:16:59 GMT
I sent my older kids to private schools , I wasn't rich , still aren't . All my ex wife's salary and a chunk of mine went to pay for it . It's the reason my pension suffered and I'm still working Lots of people sacrifice lots of things to do this . These parents are also not costing the taxpayers the cost of. State education That’s good of all your ex wives chipping in for your kids educationXx What do you do these days Harry...
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Post by zerps on Sept 21, 2019 16:23:14 GMT
It would wipe out homosexuality. Pc madness.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 16:36:16 GMT
A properly funded state sector would mean that the gap was much smaller than it currently is in terms of quality of education.
But I agree with the principle of removing private schools, the rich (or richer) get opportunities that the poorer just don't get. And I'm a teacher at a private school.
A child should not get more opportunities just because their parents can afford education.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 21, 2019 17:25:30 GMT
A properly funded state sector would mean that the gap was much smaller than it currently is in terms of quality of education. But I agree with the principle of removing private schools, the rich (or richer) get opportunities that the poorer just don't get. And I'm a teacher at a private school. A child should not get more opportunities just because their parents can afford education. How do you live with yourself? 😜
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 21, 2019 17:26:47 GMT
I don’t have a problem with private schools and more and more people who aren’t your stereotypical loaded toffs are making sacrifices to give their kids the best start. You can’t blame them because of the mess some state schools are in. I know some will claim that’s due to funding and that may well play a part, but I think having proper discipline in schools to root out the fuckwits who have no intention of learning, thereby disrupting the kids that do, would help. The problem is that there are too many lefty,snowflake,do gooders getting in the way to allow it to happen.
I went to Longton High in the ‘80s and it was full of all abilities, including many rough arse fuckwits, but the teachers had discipline and were backed so you could still learn;I came away with 8 o levels.
Get the discipline right and performance and results will follow and people won’t need to pay for private school places.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 21, 2019 17:34:53 GMT
A properly funded state sector would mean that the gap was much smaller than it currently is in terms of quality of education. But I agree with the principle of removing private schools, the rich (or richer) get opportunities that the poorer just don't get. And I'm a teacher at a private school. A child should not get more opportunities just because their parents can afford education. You must hate your parents for giving you such opportunities in life. I'm sure you're just waiting for Monday morning to hand in your notice so someone from a less privileged background can take your job.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 21, 2019 17:43:00 GMT
A properly funded state sector would mean that the gap was much smaller than it currently is in terms of quality of education. But I agree with the principle of removing private schools, the rich (or richer) get opportunities that the poorer just don't get. And I'm a teacher at a private school. A child should not get more opportunities just because their parents can afford education. You must hate your parents for giving you such opportunities in life. I'm sure you're just waiting for Monday morning to hand in your notice so someone from a less privileged background can take your job. Ay, Your parents, They £@#& U Up! Bless’emXx
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Post by felonious on Sept 21, 2019 17:58:30 GMT
A properly funded state sector would mean that the gap was much smaller than it currently is in terms of quality of education. But I agree with the principle of removing private schools, the rich (or richer) get opportunities that the poorer just don't get. And I'm a teacher at a private school. A child should not get more opportunities just because their parents can afford education. The poorer children locally got an excellent education from 4 local grammar schools until Labour put a stop to it. I know people who are not rich but make sacrifices to send their kids to private schools. Sometimes to avoid the unpalatable alternative to destroying their lives in the company of morons who don't want to learn, are hellbent on being disruptive and basically fuck other children's lives up and this is before the bullying is taken into account. This is the world that Corbyn's Labour aspire to. It's a honourable aspiration but not unfortunately taking into account the real world out there. It also begs the question why you don't teach in a state school.
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Post by felonious on Sept 21, 2019 18:00:34 GMT
You must hate your parents for giving you such opportunities in life. I'm sure you're just waiting for Monday morning to hand in your notice so someone from a less privileged background can take your job. Ay, Your parents, They £@#& U Up! Bless’emXx I don't think anyone can criticise Lilfraise's parents he's an extremely polite young man.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 18:02:15 GMT
A properly funded state sector would mean that the gap was much smaller than it currently is in terms of quality of education. But I agree with the principle of removing private schools, the rich (or richer) get opportunities that the poorer just don't get. And I'm a teacher at a private school. A child should not get more opportunities just because their parents can afford education. You must hate your parents for giving you such opportunities in life. I'm sure you're just waiting for Monday morning to hand in your notice so someone from a less privileged background can take your job. I don't hate my parents at all, and I justify my job because the students who come here didn't choose the privilege, and because teaching in the state sector is not good for mental health. I teach them to the best of my ability and work as much as I can to effect change on a larger scale in education. Not believing a system is fully moral doesn't mean you have a chance of not being a part of the system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 18:05:23 GMT
A properly funded state sector would mean that the gap was much smaller than it currently is in terms of quality of education. But I agree with the principle of removing private schools, the rich (or richer) get opportunities that the poorer just don't get. And I'm a teacher at a private school. A child should not get more opportunities just because their parents can afford education. The poorer children locally got an excellent education from 4 local grammar schools until Labour put a stop to it. I know people who are not rich but make sacrifices to send their kids to private schools. Sometimes to avoid the unpalatable alternative to destroying their lives in the company of morons who don't want to learn, are hellbent on being disruptive and basically fuck other children's lives up and this is before the bullying is taken into account. This is the world that Corbyn's Labour aspire to. It's a honourable aspiration but not unfortunately taking into account the real world out there. It also begs the question why you don't teach in a state school. The problem there is because around grammar schools, house prices rise, students at private prep schools do better in entrance exams, and you end up getting a more wealthy demographic entering anyway. I think it's better to pump the money into the state sector that it needs, and at least attempt to educate all, rather than accepting that the rich are hugely disproportionately likely to get opportunities. I don't teach in the state sector because my mental health wouldn't cope with the stresses. I accept this is a bit hypocritical but I put quite a lot of work in (at least for an early career teacher) to come up with ideas and concepts that could help physics education for the whole sector, state and private.
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Post by felonious on Sept 21, 2019 18:18:23 GMT
The poorer children locally got an excellent education from 4 local grammar schools until Labour put a stop to it. I know people who are not rich but make sacrifices to send their kids to private schools. Sometimes to avoid the unpalatable alternative to destroying their lives in the company of morons who don't want to learn, are hellbent on being disruptive and basically fuck other children's lives up and this is before the bullying is taken into account. This is the world that Corbyn's Labour aspire to. It's a honourable aspiration but not unfortunately taking into account the real world out there. It also begs the question why you don't teach in a state school. The problem there is because around grammar schools, house prices rise, students at private prep schools do better in entrance exams, and you end up getting a more wealthy demographic entering anyway. I think it's better to pump the money into the state sector that it needs, and at least attempt to educate all, rather than accepting that the rich are hugely disproportionately likely to get opportunities. I don't teach in the state sector because my mental health wouldn't cope with the stresses. I accept this is a bit hypocritical but I put quite a lot of work in (at least for an early career teacher) to come up with ideas and concepts that could help physics education for the whole sector, state and private. The state sector will continue not to look after brighter pupils for the same reason that you allude to regarding your own mental health, disruptive pupils and bullies . Unless it's a particularly good state school in an affluent area there's not much chance of your suggestion achieving anything. The best thing that could happen is for the schools to employ security and allow them to beat the shit out of the disruptors
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 21, 2019 19:57:29 GMT
I sent my older kids to private schools , I wasn't rich , still aren't . All my ex wife's salary and a chunk of mine went to pay for it . It's the reason my pension suffered and I'm still working Lots of people sacrifice lots of things to do this . These parents are also not costing the taxpayers the cost of. State education That’s good of all your ex wives chipping in for your kids educationXx Fuck her she got everything else
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Post by salopstick on Sept 21, 2019 20:08:47 GMT
Ay, Your parents, They £@#& U Up! Bless’emXx I don't think anyone can criticise Lilfraise's parents he's an extremely polite young man. He does t get that from his dad
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Post by cerebralstokie on Sept 21, 2019 20:11:29 GMT
When I first started teaching in 1964 the school I taught at was a Direct Grant Grammar School. Half the intake were at the school on scholarships. I taught many pupils from ordinary backgrounds who made successful careers. The Wilson Government in the 1970's abolished the Direct Grant system forcing the school to either join in the Local Authority system or go private. The Governors chose the latter course. Since then, the school has flourished, but of course only those that could afford the fees can go there, though there are some bursaries. So the Labour party created (indirectly) the system which they now propose to abolish. If the policy were to be adopted, the most exclusive schools would probably up sticks and locate in Switzerland or France anyway. I am not happy with the idea of socially exclusive schools, but I think the solution is to widen the intake through bursaries and scholarships and support (socially) for those pupils from less well off backgrounds. We live in a competitive environment globally and need the best education system in order to compete. This includes ensuring that state schools are adequately funded as well - there are plenty of examples, including one close to where I live, where there are state schools which are excellent.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 21, 2019 20:57:06 GMT
That’s good of all your ex wives chipping in for your kids educationXx What do you do these days Harry... I now live in a grammar school area , I'm hoping we get them though the 11 + . The local state school in my catchment is one of worst performers in the country . How about yours ?
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 21, 2019 21:00:27 GMT
I don't think anyone can criticise Lilfraise's parents he's an extremely polite young man. He does t get that from his dad You need to clarify that mate , doesn't 😉 I'm not sure what he took from his dad apart from his ability to grind my gears 😤😤
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 21, 2019 21:07:48 GMT
I don't think anyone can criticise Lilfraise's parents he's an extremely polite young man. He does t get that from his dad Agreed I have always found milkman to be rude cnuts
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Post by chuffedstokie on Sept 21, 2019 22:04:41 GMT
I sent my older kids to private schools , I wasn't rich , still aren't . All my ex wife's salary and a chunk of mine went to pay for it . It's the reason my pension suffered and I'm still working Lots of people sacrifice lots of things to do this . These parents are also not costing the taxpayers the cost of. State education Same with my son. Don't regret a single penny.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 22:50:22 GMT
I don't think they should be abolished, but there's certainly a strong argument for them losing their charitable status...........
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Post by rivival on Sept 22, 2019 2:02:39 GMT
The dream is that every school shares the same standards. Problem is the biggest variable is the parents.
While no one can teach a slow child like me to be Einstein there should be no gap at all when it comes to manners and desire.
I believe every child has a gift, a skill, a calling whatever you want to call it. The problem is state schools lack the time, the patience and the funding to find that gift with many pupils who then get abandoned and labelled which spirals down the pan.
Maybe the top teachers should work at the worst schools like the draft pick in basketball works, to redress the balance a little.
Maybe the private schools should be the template for all schools, after all they do produce the vast majority of out academics. So they must be doing something right.
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