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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 13, 2020 12:14:20 GMT
Interesting - are they doing that because of the reliance on Russia for gas?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 13, 2020 21:28:47 GMT
I listened to a lecture tonight by Jonathan Porritt. It came as a surprise to me and I would imagine to many Thatcher haters( and probably her supporters) that he believed that Thatcher , more than any other politician, being a chemist, understood global warming and the issue of the hole in the ozone layer better than any other politician....and was prepared to do something about it before she was ousted. She made her cabinet spend a whole day listening to lectures and science about global warming and said that they must be aware of it in their portfolios. And Porrit was not joking,he meant it. It does show that you can agree with parts of what someone believes without having to agree on everything.everything ......... "Thatcher … did more than anyone in the last 60 years to put green issues on the national agenda. From 1987-88 when [she] started to talk about the ozone layer and acid rain and climate change, a lot of people who had said these issues were for the tree-hugging weirdos thought, 'ooh, it's Mrs Thatcher saying that, it must be serious'. She played a big part in the rise of green ideas by making it more accessible to large numbers of people". Margaret Thatcher: an unlikely green hero? | Climate change | The Guardian www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2013/apr/09/margaret-thatcher-green-hero( and I do recognise that the Guardian takes a different angle)
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 13, 2020 22:08:37 GMT
The Guardian is not happy. More importantly Greta is not happy. How dare they! At least it is something that should unite our posters...those strongly advocating action against climate change and the pro EU fanatics and the others...in condemning this apparent hypocrisy. Seriously, how do they justify it? Any defence of this? Ciarán Cuffe, an Irish MEP from the Green party, who voted against the projects, said: “Given the severity of the climate emergency and the little time we have left to avert climate catastrophe, it is wrong to spend more public money on fossil fuel investments. “We are past the time to channel public money into expensive and unnecessary fossil fuel projects when Europe should be investing in energy efficiency and renewables.” Mind you I think that the EU is largely run by old white men so that will explain it. Meanwhile George Eustice has picked up the Environment Secretary job. He has voted consistently against climate measures.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 13, 2020 22:12:05 GMT
The Guardian is not happy. More importantly Greta is not happy. How dare they! At least it is something that should unite our posters...those strongly advocating action against climate change and the pro EU fanatics and the others...in condemning this apparent hypocrisy. Seriously, how do they justify it? Any defence of this? Ciarán Cuffe, an Irish MEP from the Green party, who voted against the projects, said: “Given the severity of the climate emergency and the little time we have left to avert climate catastrophe, it is wrong to spend more public money on fossil fuel investments. “We are past the time to channel public money into expensive and unnecessary fossil fuel projects when Europe should be investing in energy efficiency and renewables.” Mind you I think that the EU is largely run by old white men so that will explain it. Meanwhile George Eustice has picked up the Environment Secretary job. He has voted consistently against climate measures.
Let's keep our eye on what he does then . I don't think it means that the EU's action is ok , does it?
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Feb 13, 2020 22:24:00 GMT
Meanwhile George Eustice has picked up the Environment Secretary job. He has voted consistently against climate measures.
Let's keep our eye on what he does then . I don't think it means that the EU's action is ok , does it? Not at all, but we can't influence that any more . Meanwhile we've elected a government which thinks this guy's voting record suggests he has the vision to address the current climate challenges
www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24933/george_eustice/camborne_and_redruth/divisions?policy=1030
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Post by woodstein on Feb 13, 2020 22:25:46 GMT
I've spent a lot of time up Keele library reading up on Climate Change over the last few years and I have absolutely no doubt that a lot of it is down to rapid industrialisation with very little government regulation..in particular India, China, South East Asia, parts of Africa, South America (Brazil in particular) which has impacted massively on the planet. The evidence is there to see for all those that wish to see it. The massive problem of course is that change needs to come through Global political solutions not National ones. Telling everyone they need electric cars within 10 years won't go down well with the electorate or with the billions of people on earth who don't own cars. But I agree with your sentiment, change needs to happen and it needs to happen soon, or we will sleep walk into irreversible catastrophe. Nice one on first half, saved you watching the crap down at Stoke games too!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 13, 2020 22:28:26 GMT
As I say we'll have to see what he does. I'm not sure that Boris believes in the climate emergency anyway does he? We would not be able to influence this decision even if we were still in the EU. The EU have been hypocritical in these times though haven't they.....at least that's what Greta and the Guradian think.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 7, 2020 19:02:01 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 10, 2020 7:16:01 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 12, 2020 16:39:20 GMT
... It does show that you can agree with parts of what someone believes without having to agree on everything.everything ......... "Thatcher … did more than anyone in the last 60 years to put green issues on the national agenda." Yeah, no matter what you think of Thatcher she seemed genuine in doing what she thought was best for the country on this. A lot of other right-leaning politicians decided to bullshit and lie to us about global warming so that their industry buddies could make more £££, which is just a disgusting thing to do. That said, she did hate the coal miners so maybe that's why she went for it. That's his marketing schtick, he's been pushing the same sort of stuff since at least his 2004 book The Death of Environmentalism. It's not new and most of his commentary isn't that clever IMO. He's pro-nuclear, which is all well and good, but it's almost like he's bitter about the nuclear industry's failures and is taking it all out on the environmentalists for some reason. The greenies have done some pretty stupid stuff with nuclear but it's not really their fault that renewables are so much cheaper than new nuclear plants.
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 12, 2020 16:43:06 GMT
I don't think I've ever seen a perfect protest movement. People generally look at Gandhi, the Suffragettes, anti-slavery protestors, Martin Luther King Jr etc in a good light nowadays but lots of people hated them at the time.
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Post by musik on Sept 14, 2020 5:27:46 GMT
There will always be both haters and lovers, but most people are in between.
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Post by zerps on Sept 14, 2020 5:32:56 GMT
I don't think I've ever seen a perfect protest movement. People generally look at Gandhi, the Suffragettes, anti-slavery protestors, Martin Luther King Jr etc in a good light nowadays but lots of people hated them at the time. The funny thing about extinction rebellion, is that they’re pretend activists. Old middle class women from the book club in face paint chanting. It’s the most embarrassing / funny thing I’ve ever seen. Eternal students with no grasp on reality.
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Post by Northy on Dec 14, 2020 13:53:57 GMT
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Post by mattyd2 on Dec 14, 2020 14:20:53 GMT
I don't think I've ever seen a perfect protest movement. People generally look at Gandhi, the Suffragettes, anti-slavery protestors, Martin Luther King Jr etc in a good light nowadays but lots of people hated them at the time. The funny thing about extinction rebellion, is that they’re pretend activists. Old middle class women from the book club in face paint chanting. It’s the most embarrassing / funny thing I’ve ever seen. Eternal students with no grasp on reality. Reminds me of the Greenham Common protests in the 80's. Did they really think a bunch of hairy arsed lesbians singing Kumbyar my lord around a camp fire would dictate NATO's nuclear policy.
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Post by Northy on Dec 14, 2020 15:01:40 GMT
The funny thing about extinction rebellion, is that they’re pretend activists. Old middle class women from the book club in face paint chanting. It’s the most embarrassing / funny thing I’ve ever seen. Eternal students with no grasp on reality. Reminds me of the Greenham Common protests in the 80's. Did they really think a bunch of hairy arsed lesbians singing Kumbyar my lord around a camp fire would dictate NATO's nuclear policy. Eunice Stallard who started the camp left her husband and kids behind during the protest, she wasn't a lesbian, as most others weren't as it was mothers for a future for their children. About 70,000 surrounded the base and to Aldermaston, and the camps had 30,000 so more than a little group of them, and they did pressure policy as I think the US and Russia started their treaty in 87 with the US leaving in 91. After Greenham started, similar camps started in Russia and NY
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 15, 2020 7:15:05 GMT
Reminds me of the Greenham Common protests in the 80's. Did they really think a bunch of hairy arsed lesbians singing Kumbyar my lord around a camp fire would dictate NATO's nuclear policy. Eunice Stallard who started the camp left her husband and kids behind during the protest, she wasn't a lesbian, as most others weren't as it was mothers for a future for their children. About 70,000 surrounded the base and to Aldermaston, and the camps had 30,000 so more than a little group of them, and they did pressure policy as I think the US and Russia started their treaty in 87 with the US leaving in 91. After Greenham started, similar camps started in Russia and NY Greenham Common had no meaningful impact on nuclear policy and certainly didn’t spawn similar movements in Russia. Popular protest in Russia did happen though as a consequence of Chernobyl which was, of course, one of the significant drivers of the collapse of the Soviet Union (along with its bankrupt economy) which led to the reduction in nuclear weapons generally including the closure of various military bases around the world. I don’t doubt that it gave the people there a sense of, well, something. And I’m sure they felt they were doing good things. But it was a mild irritation at best to the authorities.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 22, 2021 11:50:05 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 22, 2021 12:40:48 GMT
Let’s hope they planted a tree or two to offset the carbon cost involved in replacing those windows,
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 22, 2021 13:45:33 GMT
Saw this earlier, suitable punishment would be to throw them through the windows and then make them pick the pieces up with their mouths. What a society of fucking entitled wankers we live in.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2021 13:50:48 GMT
I don't think I've ever seen a perfect protest movement. People generally look at Gandhi, the Suffragettes, anti-slavery protestors, Martin Luther King Jr etc in a good light nowadays but lots of people hated them at the time. The funny thing about extinction rebellion, is that they’re pretend activists. Old middle class women from the book club in face paint chanting. It’s the most embarrassing / funny thing I’ve ever seen. Eternal students with no grasp on reality. I think you've also just defined the current Labour Party quite nicely ☺️
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2021 13:53:17 GMT
Look at the state of these creepy, weird middle class anoraks. What are they doing?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 22, 2021 13:57:49 GMT
Look at the state of these creepy, weird middle class anoraks. What are they doing? I read one of them is a grandmother, if that was my nan involved in that shit she’d be getting put in a nursing home where they phlegm in the tea before they serve it.
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Post by franklin on Apr 22, 2021 14:02:00 GMT
Look at the state of these creepy, weird middle class anoraks. What are they doing? Send them jail and get the 600k back from them. Take their homes cars savings whatever they own.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 22, 2021 14:06:31 GMT
Look at the state of these creepy, weird middle class anoraks. What are they doing? Send them jail and get the 600k back from them. Take their homes cars savings whatever they own. Don't forget to take their beloved iPhone. They despise capitalism yet love their material possessions more than anyone. The same mob who say "defund the police" yet are the first to complain about the lack of police after tragic incidents like that of the death of Sarah Everard. The militant woke mob don't make sense, they never will make sense, they are just a noisy noisy minority of nutjobs who will thankfully never get any power in this country. And therefore will, forever more, have one monumental chip on their shoulder.
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Post by franklin on Apr 22, 2021 14:09:23 GMT
Send them jail and get the 600k back from them. Take their homes cars savings whatever they own. Don't forget to take their beloved iPhone. They despise capitalism yet love their material possessions more than anyone. The same mob who say "defund the police" yet are the first to complain about the lack of police after tragic incidents like that of the death of Sarah Everard. The militant woke mob don't make sense, they never will make sense, they are just a noisy noisy minority of nutjobs who will thankfully never get any power in this country. And therefore will, forever more have one monumental chip on their shoulder. Its a massive amount of damage and they should go jail 100% and for the maximum sentence allowed and bankrupt them to repay the debt.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 22, 2021 14:36:25 GMT
Of course glaziers walk to jobs and don't need a van or petrol 😄
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 22, 2021 14:42:41 GMT
The thing that bugs me is these people don't think through their actions or the consequences of what they propose or oppose. The example was given above of the environmental effect of replacing the windows. The Green Party in Germany effectively raised the support against carbon neutral nuclear power and Germany now burns more coal than anyone else in Europe. Worse still the east Europeans say "If Germany can do it so can we." I read an article today that the UK is not as clean as it claims as we have exported most of our industry to China and "poor countries" have to suffer the consequential pollution. There is an element of truth in that but what they fail to appreciate those countries have built massive new works that operate to higher standards than the 50 year old British industry. Do these people think we should have kept those works operating? Would they support investment to replace or modernise those old UK plants? The same article opposed the proposed coal mine in Cumbria as damaging the environment. So do they support the continued import of coking coal from Russia, USA, and Australia? Or do they think we should shutdown Port Talbot and Scunthorpe steelworks and import the steel, which the start of the article criticised the UK for exporting industry in the first place. I do not buy cheap clothing but spend less by buying quality clothing that lasts many years. If I do buy underclothes "Made in Bangladesh " at least I comfort myself I've helped someone earn a living even if there is a degree of pollution from their factory and the goods are brought quarter way round the world. If you want an environmentally friendly car, buy a Hyundai; they build a massive brand new steelworks to supply the steel, which is the most advanced technology in the worked. India are doing the same. If we were really "green" we would all catch the bus or the train, something I doubt many of those "environ mentalists" would dream of.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 22, 2021 14:45:34 GMT
Don't forget to take their beloved iPhone. They despise capitalism yet love their material possessions more than anyone. The same mob who say "defund the police" yet are the first to complain about the lack of police after tragic incidents like that of the death of Sarah Everard. The militant woke mob don't make sense, they never will make sense, they are just a noisy noisy minority of nutjobs who will thankfully never get any power in this country. And therefore will, forever more have one monumental chip on their shoulder. Its a massive amount of damage and they should go jail 100% and for the maximum sentence allowed and bankrupt them to repay the debt. In my previous job I dealt with some quite tasty claims for commercial properties, and I distinctly remember a similar incident in London where a bloke off his face on Peruvian smashed 33 panes of glass on the front of a building with a lump hammer, the final bill was in the region of £250k. These people are fucking morons and will only ever cause more harm than good.
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Post by mtrstudent on Apr 22, 2021 16:10:40 GMT
The Green Party in Germany effectively raised the support against carbon neutral nuclear power and Germany now burns more coal than anyone else in Europe. Worse still the east Europeans say "If Germany can do it so can we." That got right on my tits. Germany has done amazing things with renewables and coal is going out (has been dropping since 2015), but they'd be so much further ahead if they'd just kept the nukes open longer. I read an article today that the UK is not as clean as it claims as we have exported most of our industry to China and "poor countries" have to suffer the consequential pollution. There is an element of truth in that but what they fail to appreciate those countries have built massive new works that operate to higher standards than the 50 year old British industry. Do these people think we should have kept those works operating? Would they support investment to replace or modernise those old UK plants? Another good point IMO, 2nd bottom graph in this link shows that. The good news is that our imports pollution stopped going up in 2007, so our overall emissions are still going down. The same article opposed the proposed coal mine in Cumbria as damaging the environment. So do they support the continued import of coking coal from Russia, USA, and Australia? Or do they think we should shutdown Port Talbot and Scunthorpe steelworks and import the steel, which the start of the article criticised the UK for exporting industry in the first place. That's a tricky one mate. If we have hydrogen steelmaking working in 10 years, then maybe 10 years of imported coke followed by forever of hydrogen is better than 30-40 years of local coke. Seems a gamble either way. EDIT: just noticed who posted this, of course you're into metallurgical coal!
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