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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 13:32:00 GMT
Turning on the executives certainly seemed to focus their minds and kicking Rowett's arse down the road. It works every time.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2019 13:49:23 GMT
Other than being Denise's husband/partner, what exactly has Richard Smith achieved in his professional life? His background is construction. Let's think about that for a moment and his involvement with Stoke City. Training Ground. Numerous projects of improvement delivered on time. New Corner. Despite suffering a number of issues with existing foundations, the project was delivered on time. I'd say as far as the boardroom goes, he's the only competent one in there with a track record of delivering results on tasks! I wasn't being critical. I was merely asking a question.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 16:00:20 GMT
Punching above their weight I've heard it all now!
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 17, 2019 16:52:03 GMT
Would say the attention has already been on them for some time. Its just futile to fight this battle.
Dependency on Coates fortune, or anyone's fortune, is the opposite of being sustainable. Being sustainable means having a reliable way of making profit from diversified sources. which means you sustain yourself, given the range of possible scenarios in front of you which could affect any one of your sources of profit but not all. It means you limit your exposure to risk to something small that won't drown your profits out.
For the past 3 or so years, we have been a very badly run business. Incompetency, nepotism, arrogance and ignorance has led to losses, failure and decline, and accumulating longer term structural problems of liabilities, risk and debt.
The Board have given us several years of premiership glory and have also put our club at increased risk of mid term insolvency through accumulated debt, and certainly made it likely there will need to be be some hefty financial restructuring and downsizing. (probably rapdily accelerated if we are relegated).
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2019 17:14:26 GMT
Sack Scholes. Coates Snr off the board and to Banksy’s old role. Richard Smith as Chairman. Ideally a new investor with bright forward thinking ideas that can kick the others up the arse. (Long shot I know). Technical/Sporting director that heads up decisions on coaching from the u7s to the first team and makes decisions on the personnel for those roles based on that theory and the way they want the club to play football. He also looks at the recruitment and what players we sign to fulfil that vision. Why two of them haven’t happened yet is sheer incompetency. Other than being Denise's husband/partner, what exactly has Richard Smith achieved in his professional life? Maintaining an erection whilst looking at Denise is an achievement in itself 😎
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 17, 2019 17:15:06 GMT
What is? Why do you think we're in the position we are? It's the board. Why are they untouchable? Because there is no one else with a blind bit of interest in Stoke City that would a) want it b) could afford it and c) take over that debt. What you struggling with? How do you know there isn't?
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Post by neddy on Sept 17, 2019 17:25:56 GMT
I actually still have some sympathy with the owners as they have financially backed the club consistently over the last 13/14 years!
Have they made mistakes.....yes keeping Hughes too long killed them in my view. They always back the managers they choose to have the last say on players contrary to popular opinion which always makes the job attractive.
Coates senior always said picking managers is not a science and got lucky with Macari and Pulis. He got unlucky with Rowett and Jones......they were not universal choices but at the time would clearly have got majority votes. They haven’t delivered but were backed.
I just hope they don’t leave this decision much longer as I never contemplated relegation! If we lose at Brentford sadly time has to be up despite him being a nice bloke....he just doesn’t seem up to it sadly.
As for the next their are credible candidates but can we pick one that can deliver that is the question!
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Post by block23 on Sept 17, 2019 17:31:44 GMT
Have a look at many other clubs and the state they are in and get some perspective. The board are not above criticism and have clearly made many mistakes. But without Coates, we would be in a far worse place. There is not a line of investors waiting to buy or invest in us, and no I don’t know this for a fact, but it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to work that one out. We need Coates, and he needs to do some deep thinking about how to run this club. Without both things, I think we will be buggered for years
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 17, 2019 18:01:36 GMT
Turning on the executives certainly seemed to focus their minds and kicking Rowett's arse down the road. I said that at the time, and stand by it.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Sept 17, 2019 18:14:59 GMT
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Sept 17, 2019 18:15:29 GMT
Turning on the executives certainly seemed to focus their minds and kicking Rowett's arse down the road. Weird how that works out isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 18:16:56 GMT
His background is construction. Let's think about that for a moment and his involvement with Stoke City. Training Ground. Numerous projects of improvement delivered on time. New Corner. Despite suffering a number of issues with existing foundations, the project was delivered on time. I'd say as far as the boardroom goes, he's the only competent one in there with a track record of delivering results on tasks! I wasn't being critical. I was merely asking a question. I know you weren't Dave. I was just giving an answer
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 17, 2019 20:41:23 GMT
Can anyone else remember how we were acclaimed for having a well run club competing with the big boys in the Premier league. How newly promoted teams looked to Stoke for how to survive and thrive in the Premier league. It seems this praise fed our leaders ego and they thought they could sit back and just skip along happily in the Premier league.. They got that very wrong. Its frightening how quickly this once acclaimed well run club has disintegrated into the chaotic mix of confusion and rudderless leadership we see today
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Post by march4 on Sept 17, 2019 20:49:46 GMT
Let’s complain about the people who stopped us slipping into oblivion and brought us Prem football, a Cup final and a European adventure.
After all there is a queue a mile long of multi billionaires desperate to spend more money on us.
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2019 20:53:33 GMT
Let’s complain about the people who stopped us slipping into oblivion and brought us Prem football, a Cup final and a European adventure. After all there is a queue a mile long of multi billionaires desperate to spend more money on us. That won't count for much if we're playing league football at Gresty Road next season.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 17, 2019 20:53:54 GMT
Because there is no one else with a blind bit of interest in Stoke City that would a) want it b) could afford it and c) take over that debt. What you struggling with? How do you know there isn't? As our team keeps getting leaked on this message board I reckon a group of billionaires trying to by a football club off another group of billionaires might just make the local paper or something similar. Can you give us anything that suggests there has been any interest?
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Post by swampySCFC on Sept 17, 2019 20:55:11 GMT
Can anyone else remember how we were acclaimed for having a well run club competing with the big boys in the Premier league. How newly promoted teams looked to Stoke for how to survive and thrive in the Premier league. It seems this praise fed our leaders ego and they thought they could sit back and just skip along happily in the Premier league.. They got that very wrong. Its frightening how quickly this once acclaimed well run club has disintegrated into the chaotic mix of confusion and rudderless leadership we see today It wasnt that long ago mate. The rot set in when the club thought they were better than Pulis
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Post by Davef on Sept 17, 2019 21:11:00 GMT
Can anyone else remember how we were acclaimed for having a well run club competing with the big boys in the Premier league. How newly promoted teams looked to Stoke for how to survive and thrive in the Premier league. It seems this praise fed our leaders ego and they thought they could sit back and just skip along happily in the Premier league.. They got that very wrong. Its frightening how quickly this once acclaimed well run club has disintegrated into the chaotic mix of confusion and rudderless leadership we see today It wasnt that long ago mate. The rot set in when the club thought they were better than Pulis Yeah, I distinctly remember thinking that when the fifth goal went in against Liverpool.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 17, 2019 21:58:13 GMT
Can anyone else remember how we were acclaimed for having a well run club competing with the big boys in the Premier league. How newly promoted teams looked to Stoke for how to survive and thrive in the Premier league. It seems this praise fed our leaders ego and they thought they could sit back and just skip along happily in the Premier league.. They got that very wrong. Its frightening how quickly this once acclaimed well run club has disintegrated into the chaotic mix of confusion and rudderless leadership we see today It wasnt that long ago mate. The rot set in when the club thought they were better than Pulis Two-bob nonsense. You make a Vale supporter look big time.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2019 22:05:41 GMT
How do you know there isn't? As our team keeps getting leaked on this message board I reckon a group of billionaires trying to by a football club off another group of billionaires might just make the local paper or something similar. Can you give us anything that suggests there has been any interest? At current value the busker outside hamlet hair station could afford to buy it , but I agree you need to be significantly wealthy to run it .
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 17, 2019 22:07:53 GMT
Coates family and St Peter unequivocally in.
The best we could ever hope for short of some sheikh playing roulette and landing on us.
Proud to have them and forever grateful.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2019 22:10:40 GMT
As our team keeps getting leaked on this message board I reckon a group of billionaires trying to by a football club off another group of billionaires might just make the local paper or something similar. Can you give us anything that suggests there has been any interest? At current value the busker outside hanley bus station could afford to buy it , but I agree you need to be significantly wealthy to run it .
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Post by chell_rosey on Sept 17, 2019 22:14:33 GMT
This. Our financial situation is very worrying given the threat of relegation. The last thing we can afford is the Coates family turning it’s back on us. Another relegation and we’re in deep doodoo without them. But they'd be the people responsible for another relegation (which would actually be their third to the the third tier of English football in thirty years!). Are we actually saying they're above criticism here? I'm not sure the fluffy memories of ten years in the Premier League would count for much if we're watching our team getting dicked at places like Oxford, Southend and Gillingham again. No. They deserve all the criticism they're getting about the decisions they've made. But who else is lined up to bail us out (and we'll need it) should we not get promotion, never mind relegation?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 18, 2019 0:21:00 GMT
Can anyone else remember how we were acclaimed for having a well run club competing with the big boys in the Premier league. How newly promoted teams looked to Stoke for how to survive and thrive in the Premier league. It seems this praise fed our leaders ego and they thought they could sit back and just skip along happily in the Premier league.. They got that very wrong. Its frightening how quickly this once acclaimed well run club has disintegrated into the chaotic mix of confusion and rudderless leadership we see today It wasnt that long ago mate. The rot set in when the club thought they were better than Pulis A tin hat and full body armour on. “ The rot set in when the club ( and some supporters) thought they were better than Pulis” We had the political shenanigans of a so called Chief Executive Officer and the implementation of a recruitment policy to deliver sustainability. In between we had three 9th place finishes and we became “stokealona”.........Not in any record books by the way Well we’re now living up to the stokealona” image which is reflected in our current league position......alona at the foot of the table. So much for sustainability.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 18, 2019 9:45:18 GMT
Can anyone else remember how we were acclaimed for having a well run club competing with the big boys in the Premier league. How newly promoted teams looked to Stoke for how to survive and thrive in the Premier league. It seems this praise fed our leaders ego and they thought they could sit back and just skip along happily in the Premier league.. They got that very wrong. Its frightening how quickly this once acclaimed well run club has disintegrated into the chaotic mix of confusion and rudderless leadership we see today It wasnt that long ago mate. The rot set in when the club thought they were better than Pulis God you talk shit 😊
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2019 9:48:24 GMT
It wasnt that long ago mate. The rot set in when the club thought they were better than Pulis A tin hat and full body armour on. “ The rot set in when the club ( and some supporters) thought they were better than Pulis” We had the political shenanigans of a so called Chief Executive Officer and the implementation of a recruitment policy to deliver sustainability. In between we had three 9th place finishes and we became “stokealona”.........Not in any record books by the way Well we’re now living up to the stokealona” image which is reflected in our current league position......alona at the foot of the table. So much for sustainability. We improved after Pulis left though.
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Post by adi on Sept 18, 2019 10:07:18 GMT
Has to be now. They are the issue. But what can we do about it , there’s absolutely no one out their with there love for the club and their money , yes they make mistakes but better the devil you know , and I’m sure they’re learn from them Hopefully they learn before another relegation.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 18, 2019 11:12:08 GMT
A tin hat and full body armour on. “ The rot set in when the club ( and some supporters) thought they were better than Pulis” We had the political shenanigans of a so called Chief Executive Officer and the implementation of a recruitment policy to deliver sustainability. In between we had three 9th place finishes and we became “stokealona”.........Not in any record books by the way Well we’re now living up to the stokealona” image which is reflected in our current league position......alona at the foot of the table. So much for sustainability. We improved after Pulis left though. 3 x 9th place finishes, 13th, relegation, 16th and now 23rd.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2019 11:24:15 GMT
We improved after Pulis left though. 3 x 9th place finishes, 13th, relegation, 16th and now 23rd. Yeah we got better.
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Post by Davef on Sept 18, 2019 11:48:55 GMT
We improved after Pulis left though. 3 x 9th place finishes, 13th, relegation, 16th and now 23rd. Pulis won 4 of his last 25 league games in charge of Stoke. He took us from 8th in the league to the very real possibility of relegation at one stage of the season. That's obviously not a sign of any kind of rot setting in is it?
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