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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2019 9:21:41 GMT
I'm sorry Dave, but they have presided over this shit show. They made the choices, hence the mess we're in. It's about time they did something about it, and turned it around! They haven't chosen the over the hill players, have they?
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2019 9:35:49 GMT
I'm sorry Dave, but they have presided over this shit show. They made the choices, hence the mess we're in. It's about time they did something about it, and turned it around! They haven't chosen the over the hill players, have they? You're wasting your time mate.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 20, 2019 11:10:28 GMT
I thought Smudge's article was pretty fair and balanced. Maybe he's like me and is desperate for Jones to succeed because, if we sack him, it's another embarrassing failure and where do we go from here? But I don't know him so cannot say what he feels.
But, to suggest he's some Board patsy is, quite frankly, insulting!
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 20, 2019 11:21:21 GMT
We are into splitting hairs here mate - some might not be over the hill - but they're certainly playing like they are.
San Vokes - Benik Afobe ( remember his last performance in our shirt ? - he could not trap a bag of cement) - butterfingers Butland ? -
Tom Ince ?????? - Joe allen in the Euros team of the tournamanet in 2014 - now a figure of contempt and ridicule ??????
dont even get me started on Jordan Cousins ! - we needed a left back so, we sign another right back ? - and so on and so forth
- WTF are they all doing at Stoke City Right now?
not to mention the bomb squad
Just look at the squad right now top to bottom front to back - compare it to 3 years ago, it bears absolutely no resemblance at all, in ability, skill nor quality
in fact for the money spent - its a disgrace, an absolute shambles.
the manager has a tombola machine with the players number on the ping pong balls for team selection, or so it seems
some even think an unproven Tyrrese Campbell is the answer, for gods sake !
talk about clutching at Straws -- WAKE UP FOR GODS SAKE!
its inescapable - the club itself on and off the pitch - is a shambles.
BUT Worst of all and the nub of all this
the same bloody people responsible for this ,are being allowed to continue take all the decisions
whilst, demonstrably proven as:- incapable but more likely - incompetent
and thats the bloody point - its simply unforgivable.
and sadly - for on this we can all agree - we all want to see them do well
but this will get no better, perhaps only get worse given, the clubs ownership and structure , the squad and players now available
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 20, 2019 11:24:59 GMT
AND Nobody said anyone is the boards patsy
its just you're being too easy on them - sympathy ? I have zero sympathy for this clusterfuck,
sympathy comes from being too close to the club -perhaps a bit too heartfelt and invested - thats all
thats an opinion - thats the point
just like earlier in this thread, someone asserted I wanted the Coates family out - never ever, said that - would never want that.
WHATS THE ANSWER ?
Jon Coates and Tony Scholes need to step aside ASAP, this has all happened on their watch -
and let some proper professional football people come in and take over
then the ship will turn ( IMHO)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 12:05:14 GMT
No. He's not wasting his time mate. He has an opinion just like me. Whether they chose the players or not, they have presided over this mess. They chose these plonkers! This last one came with a promise of fast attacking football. Have you seen any? I hope sincerely they get it right next time! Waits hopefully. I hope they beat Brentford, by the way, but I will be amazed ( but very pleased if they do.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2019 12:37:53 GMT
No. He's not wasting his time mate. He has an opinion just like me. Whether they chose the players or not, they have presided over this mess. They chose these plonkers! This last one came with a promise of fast attacking football. Have you seen any? I hope sincerely they get it right next time! Waits hopefully. I hope they beat Brentford, by the way, but I will be amazed ( but very pleased if they do. But you were criticising the board for backing the manager to sign the players Robo. You can criticise them for making poor appointments but once they’ve made an appointment you can’t blame them for backing him surely?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 20, 2019 12:41:20 GMT
There has to be an element of collective responsibility for this shit show though surely. One highly paid executive who shall remain unnamed wasn't shy of waving his dick about claiming responsibility during deep cup runs and 9th placed finishes. Now you barely see the fucker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:20:59 GMT
I'm wasting my time!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 8, 2019 10:48:29 GMT
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Post by dreamtheater on Oct 8, 2019 13:41:33 GMT
Just read the latest article with interest. Good journalism actually however, I still cant help but feel those incumbents at the club for the last three years having overseen this complete and utter debacle, remain under very little scrutiny or challenge.
untouched and unchallenged by journalism so it appears.
I still think Tony Scholes and his ilk, are still getting off far too lightly in the local media
Where are their views ? - their excuses / their statements about the Position we now find ourselves in ?
PeterCoates to be fair, offered some recent views - actually stood up to be counted
So - Never mind the manager
The upper echelons in the boardroom and the CEO - They have reserved for themselves the right to silence
at best : - incredibly smug and arrogant
at worst : - completely unacceptable , especially given the mess they themselves have created
like politicians - sometimes just saying 'sorry - we have screwed up royally', might actually help
rarely happens though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2019 14:09:45 GMT
I genuinely don’t see what Saturday is supposed to have changed in the wider scheme of things. An absolutely indefensible and unforgiveable record at 3pm was still an indefensible and unforgiveable record at 5pm. I can’t believe there’s even anything to discuss let alone a ‘crossroads’ or a ‘gamble’ involved.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 8, 2019 14:19:05 GMT
It’ll come to a head with the next 4 games we have in my opinion momo
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Oct 8, 2019 14:36:45 GMT
I genuinely don’t see what Saturday is supposed to have changed in the wider scheme of things. An absolutely indefensible and unforgiveable record at 3pm was still an indefensible and unforgiveable record at 5pm. I can’t believe there’s even anything to discuss let alone a ‘crossroads’ or a ‘gamble’ involved. I accept your comments Momo. I’m just trying to second guess what the board might be thinking. The truth of the matter is that NJ should consider himself to still be in a job.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 8, 2019 15:12:37 GMT
They don't have to make a decision for the entire season right now, they have the backstop of seeing how things go during October, which is what I think they have decided to do - because they haven't come out in support of NJ.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 8, 2019 15:34:09 GMT
I genuinely don’t see what Saturday is supposed to have changed in the wider scheme of things. An absolutely indefensible and unforgiveable record at 3pm was still an indefensible and unforgiveable record at 5pm. I can’t believe there’s even anything to discuss let alone a ‘crossroads’ or a ‘gamble’ involved. I accept your comments Momo. I’m just trying to second guess what the board might be thinking. The truth of the matter is that NJ should consider himself to still be in a job. I think trying to second guess what's coming next after last week and that press conference on Thursday is an imppssible task Smudge!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 8, 2019 17:18:42 GMT
The article sums up how I feel about Jones.
I don't know what to think. I felt certain he should be sacked, but I don't dislike him, in fact the opposite. If he were to pull a string of results together now I'd be well up for him staying long term, but then I just keep thinking of the signings he made in the summer. I don't know if I can trust him.
I think we should have got rid and appointed someone else by now, but as we haven't, he has to get the next couple of games? Probably?
And if he gets 4 points from them we have to give him until December to pull us clear of relation zone?
If he can move us clear of the bottom 3 this season presumably we give him next season?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 8, 2019 17:22:33 GMT
It’ll come to a head with the next 4 games we have in my opinion momo That’s the thing though, by then it will probably be too late. Saturday should change sod all.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 8, 2019 17:25:50 GMT
It’ll come to a head with the next 4 games we have in my opinion momo That’s the thing though, by then it will probably be too late. Saturday should change sod all. Let's just imagine Moyes now thinks he's at least got a sniff of the Everton job - and Hughton has turned it down, would you still pull the trigger? I think yo can still make a good case, but the cupboard does look frighteningly bare. Who would you be looking at?
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Post by werrington on Oct 8, 2019 17:28:45 GMT
That’s the thing though, by then it will probably be too late. Saturday should change sod all. Let's just imagine Moyes now thinks he's at least got a sniff of the Everton job - and Hughton has turned it down, would you still pull the trigger? I think yo can still make a good case, but the cupboard does look frighteningly bare. Who would you be looking at? Moyes is being heavily tipped in Liverpool for a return to Everton and he’s got supporter backing
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 8, 2019 17:37:45 GMT
Let's just imagine Moyes now thinks he's at least got a sniff of the Everton job - and Hughton has turned it down, would you still pull the trigger? I think yo can still make a good case, but the cupboard does look frighteningly bare. Who would you be looking at? Moyes is being heavily tipped in Liverpool for a return to Everton and he’s got supporter backing Yeah. Saw the story of the odds drop earlier. Can see the appeal of a steady safety blanket after they've been chasing sexy options for a few years. Can't see him going elsewhere now that door is slightly ajar. If we could get Hughton, I'd pull the trigger. But a lot of the other options leave me a bit cold
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Post by FrankButcher on Oct 8, 2019 17:42:25 GMT
Moyes is being heavily tipped in Liverpool for a return to Everton and he’s got supporter backing Yeah. Saw the story of the odds drop earlier. Can see the appeal of a steady safety blanket after they've been chasing sexy options for a few years. Can't see him going elsewhere now that door is slightly ajar. If we could get Hughton, I'd pull the trigger. But a lot of the other options leave me a bit cold Would Farhad Moshiri go for David Moyes though you'd think he'd possibly be Kenwrights option I could certainly see Moshiri going for a big name manager wouldn't surprise me if he tried for Mourinho.
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Post by richardparker on Oct 8, 2019 17:49:18 GMT
Love to see Mourinho there ... he'd be a disaster!
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Post by FrankButcher on Oct 8, 2019 17:51:32 GMT
Bielsa might also get approached by Everton I'm sure he was linked before.
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Post by spitshaw on Oct 8, 2019 17:52:01 GMT
[quote author=" GreaterGlasgowstokie" source="/post/6604702/thread" timestamp="1570555122"but then I just keep thinking of the signings he made in the summer. I don't know if I can trust him.[/quote] This is my concern too. His transfer market skills havent filled me with any confidence at all. Players he bought in for the most part have not been anywhere near the level we need to push on. Also Cousins lol
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 8, 2019 17:57:50 GMT
Yeah. Saw the story of the odds drop earlier. Can see the appeal of a steady safety blanket after they've been chasing sexy options for a few years. Can't see him going elsewhere now that door is slightly ajar. If we could get Hughton, I'd pull the trigger. But a lot of the other options leave me a bit cold Would Farhad Moshiri go for David Moyes though you'd think he'd possibly be Kenwrights option I could certainly see Moshiri going for a big name manager wouldn't surprise me if he tried for Mourinho. Yeah - I bet his natural inclination is to run a mile from a Moyes but looking at the list, not sure he'd be the worst idea for them. Arteta may fancy the Man City job after Guardiola, and not sure about Mourinho going there. I think Jones' position is very, very close to being untenable - and looked 100% untenable before Saturday. But it is tempting just to see if he can catch lightning in a bottle and build on Swansea - if the cupboard is as bare as it looks right now.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 8, 2019 18:05:30 GMT
You would think so Fuller but if so why is he still here?. Did we ever establish why Micheal O'Neill suddenly appeared as favourite last week?. Could he be waiting to announce until after latest round of qualifiers?
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Post by barton on Oct 8, 2019 18:14:01 GMT
The main difference on Saturday was that we failed to make any catastrophic mistakes. Still suffered some bad luck with the save bouncing to the feet of their forward. NJ's managed to get Etebo and Ndiaye playing and also offloaded players away from the club and payroll. Not surprised he's doing 14 hour days!
Also have to look at who would actually take the job?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 18:26:25 GMT
Love to see Mourinho there ... he'd be a disaster! I'm not convinced he would be. What makes you think he would?
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Post by GoBoks on Oct 8, 2019 20:20:08 GMT
I genuinely don’t see what Saturday is supposed to have changed in the wider scheme of things. An absolutely indefensible and unforgiveable record at 3pm was still an indefensible and unforgiveable record at 5pm. I can’t believe there’s even anything to discuss let alone a ‘crossroads’ or a ‘gamble’ involved. Indefensible, I get that. Unforgiveable? What is forgiveness? If someone absolutely can't forgive someone else, that implies an irreparable breakdown of trust. If there is no trust, there can be no meaningful relationship between the parties other than contractual obligations. So how can a fan be a fan if he is not prepared to forgive his team for messing up?
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