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Post by rawli on Sept 17, 2019 21:04:51 GMT
The Odeon in Warrington is the most uncomfortable place not just cinema I’ve ever been too 😂 Before your time no doubt but the old Odeon in the town centre was fine and the ABC was a lovely building before it became Mr Smiths and subsequently burnt down in very dubious circumstances. Yes. They started demolishing it before the fire brigade arrived!
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Post by greyman on Sept 17, 2019 21:06:52 GMT
The thing to watch is the council's level of debt. Warrington will soon be £2 billion in hock and it won't take much to go wrong for the town to unravel. As far as I can tell, they still only have one taker for Time Square, the Redwood thing has the chance to fall apart and they are taking other massive gambles that could go wrong in the next 20 to 25 years. I know they argue they'll still have the assets even if they are making losses but those are only worth as much as somebody will pay for them. They're taking a huge punt. I work for a company who've just left The Base near Warrington Central. It's like the Marie Celeste in there. They're obviously filling it with the council's 'partners'.
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Post by greyman on Sept 17, 2019 21:08:07 GMT
Before your time no doubt but the old Odeon in the town centre was fine and the ABC was a lovely building before it became Mr Smiths and subsequently burnt down in very dubious circumstances. Yes. They started demolishing it before the fire brigade arrived! Like The old Ship Inn. Just fell down apparently while nobody was doing anything.
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Post by rawli on Sept 17, 2019 21:09:48 GMT
Yes. They started demolishing it before the fire brigade arrived! Like The old Ship Inn. Just fell down apparently while nobody was doing anything. And Greenalls distillery!
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Post by wuzza on Sept 17, 2019 21:11:33 GMT
Yes. They started demolishing it before the fire brigade arrived! Like The old Ship Inn. Just fell down apparently while nobody was doing anything. To be fair they did wait a full 20 minutes before they started ‘developing’ on it afterwards !!
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 18, 2019 11:32:06 GMT
yes all true -- things go up in smoke if they are in the way of development around here and yes the Stobart thing is/was nothing short of disgraceful-
and yes too south of Warrington where I live, is in grave danger of being ruined - completely.
As for this thread - my input was originally about Smudges article in the local media and, how I think the local media are letting the club off far, far too lightly,
as regards the absolute shit storm its got itself into.
Might be the one real disadvantage coming from the way Stoke City are owned and therefore operated.
its really very sad all this - never imagined for a moment Stoke City would screw up so spectacularly nor, fall so quickly from where they were,
with such little challenge or accountability.
just look at the league table again !
its quite awful
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Post by adi on Sept 18, 2019 11:36:25 GMT
For once I disagree with Smudge_SCFCHow can you have sympathy for Jones, citing Joe Allen's ridiculous sending off as evidence, when the player in question shouldn't have been selected in the first place? He deserves everything he gets. A player getting sent off in the last game doesn’t rob you of the previous 18 points.
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 18, 2019 11:45:27 GMT
Signing Jordan Cousins said a lot to me
knowing how he was thought of at Qpr
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 18, 2019 17:48:33 GMT
Signing Jordan Cousins said a lot to me knowing how he was thought of at Qpr What does Bristol City's signing of Benik Afobe say knowing how he was thought of at Stoke City? That players can thrive or sink depending on the environment and that fans on the whole are pretty poor judges of a player's real potential?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 18:02:58 GMT
I worked in Birchwood for a couple of years. The experience robbed me of my very soul. Window licker you had a soul ???? Well I fucking never GD
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 18, 2019 20:14:57 GMT
davre johnno hmmm you have to actually go to be invested ? hmmm -------- interesting the pandoras box of what is a 'proper' fan versus, a fan versus, a supporter versus, a follower, versus a johnny cum lately opens for example - if you only go to away matches --how does that fit -for example ? I'm very comfortable I've done my time - its just at my time of life ( retired now - up in leafy north cheshire, same as my brother) and having watched what has unfolded, aghast "I cant be arsed hauling my sorry carcass down there - to watch a totally disorganised and dysfunctional shambles of a football club, full of charlatans, frauds and nepotistic tossers, laughing all the way to the bank - whilst playing shit football. " dave f could you put that quote in your next article please ? That as maybe but you are still not "invested". You invest nothing in the club be it time, money or emotion. You are completely detached from the club, its supporters. Oh...and davef doesn't write the article which is yet another example of how completely out of touch you are with things.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 18, 2019 20:35:33 GMT
I worked in Birchwood for a couple of years. The experience robbed me of my very soul. Window licker you had a soul ???? Well I fucking never GD It was black and saggy like your testicles, dave but it was mine and that Goddamn town took it!
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 18, 2019 20:47:05 GMT
Fences, fences everywhere
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 19, 2019 18:50:22 GMT
davre johnno hmmm you have to actually go to be invested ? hmmm -------- interesting the pandoras box of what is a 'proper' fan versus, a fan versus, a supporter versus, a follower, versus a johnny cum lately opens for example - if you only go to away matches --how does that fit -for example ? I'm very comfortable I've done my time - its just at my time of life ( retired now - up in leafy north cheshire, same as my brother) and having watched what has unfolded, aghast "I cant be arsed hauling my sorry carcass down there - to watch a totally disorganised and dysfunctional shambles of a football club, full of charlatans, frauds and nepotistic tossers, laughing all the way to the bank - whilst playing shit football. " dave f could you put that quote in your next article please ? That as maybe but you are still not "invested". You invest nothing in the club be it time, money or emotion. You are completely detached from the club, its supporters. Oh...and davef doesn't write the article which is yet another example of how completely out of touch you are with things. Righto - first off happy to be corrected - I get mixed up as to whos who and, I appreciate I am a guest on here allowed to voice my opinions and , that is appreciated too. but to say I invest nothing in the club is plainly rubbish. I care - always have done - still do - ALWAYS WILL, but, just like about 15,000 others, I've voted with my feet. As regards being detached from the club, maybe I am somewhat but, along with about half the crowd who have now voted with their feet too. The true hardcore - the fanzines and the local media to my eyes have accepted Stoke Citys fate though, pretty much with a shrug of the shoulders almost . And sometimes in such situations, it can be a more dispassionate, remote opinion that says what most folk are actually thinking and, what actually needs to be said. I still contend the locals in the media have given the club an easy ride completely undeserved, cut the club far too much slack given where they are right now and, given the position of wealth & status and , the world renowned branding / profile and riches it so very recently came from. That to my eyes, is not like the Stokies I know and sat with for tens of years at all l - to roll over and accept this ? - to not call for heads ?-- furniture and headbutts flying ? Stokies are normally, passionate - noisy - forceful - vociferous, not willing to take crap from anyone This time its been pretty meek - piss weak in truth - and more than a bit sorry. 'ah well we had ten years - it could not last forever' etc etc - I actually read that on here plenty of times ho hum ! we move on - siggh BOLLOCKS ! - me, I'm still absolutely furious with them. ( not invested ? ha! ha! ha! ) AND here right now - it seems far too many are still cutting the club slack whereas, I think they should be being called to account, challenged and castigated mercilesssly. hanging, drawing and quartering is not enough for some of the feckers still involved in this mess, let alone, keeping their comfy, cosy 6 figure salaried jobs. just how do they sleep at night ? I expect better from both the club and the media given where its at. the sentinel article just provoked this view. They need hammering at the club at every single opportunity until personnel change in key positions.
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Post by greyman on Sept 19, 2019 19:09:08 GMT
As I said before, they must be quaking at the 'hammering' they're taking on an Internet messageboard from somebody who can't be bothered to drive the 30 odd miles from South Lancashire to watch a game but is now the self-proclaimed voice of the silent majority. I don't know how Peter Coates can sleep with the worry of what you'll say next.
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 19, 2019 19:11:44 GMT
Hello - as usual, your rhetoric is a bleak and as bland as your posted image
thanks for yet another incisive and valued contribution
' I dont give a flying flamingo what you think' - as someone recently said
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Post by greyman on Sept 19, 2019 19:13:57 GMT
Hello - as usual, your rhetoric is a bleak and as bland as your posted image thanks for yet another incisive and valued contribution 'like I give a flying flamingo' - as someone recently said I can tell you some actual contributions I make to the club that you don't, if you like.
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 19, 2019 19:16:04 GMT
great - I'm feeling so inferior now
dick measuring ? ( I have been guilty too)
Im posting my opinions
you dont like them
-- get over it
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Post by Davef on Sept 19, 2019 19:25:49 GMT
Hello - as usual, your rhetoric is a bleak and as bland as your posted image thanks for yet another incisive and valued contribution ' I dont give a flying flamingo what you think' - as someone recently said Replying to a post is usually a giveaway sign that you do give a flying flamingo what somebody thinks.
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Post by greyman on Sept 19, 2019 19:36:50 GMT
great - I'm feeling so inferior now dick measuring ? ( I have been guilty too) Im posting my opinions you dont like them -- get over it It's not that I don't like them. I don't think you're entitled to them. Hope that's clear.
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Post by robrigo on Sept 19, 2019 19:45:17 GMT
Please stop arguing...I’m finding it very upsetting.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 19, 2019 19:50:04 GMT
A quote from Smudge's article: "Furthermore, it is inescapably true that we made five more changes to our starting line-up, from the side which took to the field at Birmingham before the international break" Jones is trying desperately to find a coherent starting X1 and he wasn't far from it Saturday and the Allen sending off could give him a get out of jail card. There is something about Jones that makes me think we should stick with him. Without any rational reasoning obviously.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 19, 2019 19:59:58 GMT
That as maybe but you are still not "invested". You invest nothing in the club be it time, money or emotion. You are completely detached from the club, its supporters. Oh...and davef doesn't write the article which is yet another example of how completely out of touch you are with things. Righto - first off happy to be corrected - I get mixed up as to whos who and, I appreciate I am a guest on here allowed to voice my opinions and , that is appreciated too. but to say I invest nothing in the club is plainly rubbish. I care - always have done - still do - ALWAYS WILL, but, just like about 15,000 others, I've voted with my feet. As regards being detached from the club, maybe I am somewhat but, along with about half the crowd who have now voted with their feet too. The true hardcore - the fanzines and the local media to my eyes have accepted Stoke Citys fate though, pretty much with a shrug of the shoulders almost . And sometimes in such situations, it can be a more dispassionate, remote opinion that says what most folk are actually thinking and, what actually needs to be said. I still contend the locals in the media have given the club an easy ride completely undeserved, cut the club far too much slack given where they are right now and, given the position of wealth & status and , the world renowned branding / profile and riches it so very recently came from. That to my eyes, is not like the Stokies I know and sat with for tens of years at all l - to roll over and accept this ? - to not call for heads ?-- furniture and headbutts flying ? Stokies are normally, passionate - noisy - forceful - vociferous, not willing to take crap from anyone This time its been pretty meek - piss weak in truth - and more than a bit sorry. 'ah well we had ten years - it could not last forever' etc etc - I actually read that on here plenty of times ho hum ! we move on - siggh BOLLOCKS ! - me, I'm still absolutely furious with them. ( not invested ? ha! ha! ha! ) AND here right now - it seems far too many are still cutting the club slack whereas, I think they should be being called to account, challenged and castigated mercilesssly. hanging, drawing and quartering is not enough for some of the feckers still involved in this mess, let alone, keeping their comfy, cosy 6 figure salaried jobs. just how do they sleep at night ? I expect better from both the club and the media given where its at. the sentinel article just provoked this view. They need hammering at the club at every single opportunity until personnel change in key positions. Perhaps the majority of match going supporters can see that our owners have backed their managers significantly and accept that whilst they may get things wrong, they do so whilst having the very best of intentions. Maybe for that reason alone the vitriol of the past isnt merited. Stoke on trent people, I find, are passionate and sometimes aggressive about things they love, but at the same time they are inherently fair people. It's very easy to take your stance when you dont go anymore and look in from afar. Our best chance of getting back to the league where we've spent the majority of our history remains with them and their money at the helm.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 22:49:55 GMT
Backed them by signing over the hill, slow, boring players. Great. Not!
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 19, 2019 23:32:39 GMT
I know everyone talks about us not having a left back (and we aren't playing one) but with three centre halves on the pitch we shouldn't be conceding from soft headers anywhere. The players either don't like to play, can't play, won't play or aren't good enough to play this way. It's not about luck. It's time Jones let this one go and drilled some discipline into a back four so that they understand and can manage the roles expected of them. Then give them a midfield that'll support them. Hitting the woodwork is the least of our problems. That would fix the "aren't good enough to play this way" problem. I strongly suspect it's one of the other alternatives you mention.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 19, 2019 23:43:06 GMT
A quote from Smudge's article: "Furthermore, it is inescapably true that we made five more changes to our starting line-up, from the side which took to the field at Birmingham before the international break" Jones is trying desperately to find a coherent starting X1 and he wasn't far from it Saturday and the Allen sending off could give him a get out of jail card. There is something about Jones that makes me think we should stick with him. Without any rational reasoning obviously. If that is close to the team we need, where are the goals coming from? I can't see Gregory scoring more than half a dozen, he's not a natural finisher, Ince hasn't scored yet, and has looked less threatening than he did last year. Clucas might pick up half a dozen, will be lucky to get a couple out of Badou, same for Etebo.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 20, 2019 5:33:01 GMT
Backed them by signing over the hill, slow, boring players. Great. Not! Players the manager and/or transfer gurus chose to bring here.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 20, 2019 8:07:42 GMT
I was in the uk - my favourite band always was yes and, my name is tony Iwas that name for years - thousands of posts until I started getting really nasty threatening stuff (for being over critical - some might say I deserved it -but -there you are) So, had a break and came back under another band name plenty had already worked this out and here I am, still happy to put an alternative, unfettered, but very direct and honest opinion. Being a Stoke fan is just like being at the Gates of Delirium and I am just waiting for it To be Over.
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2019 8:28:57 GMT
Backed them by signing over the hill, slow, boring players. Great. Not! Players the manager and/or transfer gurus chose to bring here. It's incredible how some people just don't get it. Criticise the board for making poor managerial appointments, but don't criticise them for the backing they've given to those managers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 9:02:27 GMT
I'm sorry Dave, but they have presided over this shit show. They made the choices, hence the mess we're in. It's about time they did something about it, and turned it around!
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