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Post by s7oke on Sept 16, 2019 17:19:48 GMT
I'm normally well up for a foreign gamble. But I do actually think we may well need a boring, stodgy, defence-first, knows-the-league type this time - and I'm just hoping it won't be TP. But that is almost certainly what we'll end up with regardless, so we may as well be realistic. I can't even think of any non-dinosaur-types who'd be remotely in the shake-up this time with us bottom of the league and in the shit. Can anyone come up with a lower-league or foreign non-dinosaur with a decent CV who'd be prepared to come and who they'd be comfortable throwing into this shitshow with us bottom of the league? By dinosaur do we mean chronological age,footballing philosophy or both? Karanka? Very defensively minded isn't he? The good CV bit is obviously open to question! And mentally unstable probably
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2019 17:24:54 GMT
Maybe it's because he was one of most successful managers alongside Waddo. who is till talked about on here, why does that make people thick ?, you can and I have criticised his style of play but you can not erase him from our history because you have a personal dislike of him. This continual pining for the past and fear of change/anything that could be perceived as dynamic and forward-thinking is a fucking disease round these parts and has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Stoke on Trent is culturally and economically decades behind other cities. Anyone with any vision or positive ideas instantly gets shot down and criticised When Jones arrived he was the personification of positive, forward-thinking dynamism. Can you provide some examples of how he was instantly shot down, criticised or seen as a “disease” by the Stoke support at that time please?
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2019 17:43:24 GMT
I was referring to the backward-looking mentality of the city as a whole there.
You're right, NJ was the personification of forward thinking and dynamism but there were plenty on here and in the pubs/workplaces etc at the time moaning that we'd appointed a nobody/lower league manager.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2019 18:08:32 GMT
I was referring to the backward-looking mentality of the city as a whole there. You're right, NJ was the personification of forward thinking and dynamism but there were plenty on here and in the pubs/workplaces etc at the time moaning that we'd appointed a nobody/lower league manager. Were they wrong ?
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2019 18:14:58 GMT
You're misconstruing me as a Jones apologist here.
I was supportive of the appointment and wanted (and still want) him to turn it round but with each passing game (and his batshit team selection) it's looking increasingly unlikely that he's got the chops to do that.
Still, if he does have to go the TP certainly isn't the answer and those that think he is are mental / thick / deluded /[insert own term of derision here]
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 16, 2019 18:27:10 GMT
I was referring to the backward-looking mentality of the city as a whole there. You're right, NJ was the personification of forward thinking and dynamism but there were plenty on here and in the pubs/workplaces etc at the time moaning that we'd appointed a nobody/lower league manager. So not the same thing at all then? Moaning that somebody is unknown or unproven is completely different from moaning that they are too adventurous or progressive. You can have your opinion about the mentality of the city but there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest Stoke fans are anti-progressiveness and positivity, which is clearly the main indicator we're looking at here. TP is one of our most successful managers ever and at *best* he's divisive. Meanwhile the appointment of Jones with all his infectious rhetoric was vigorously celebrated. The most popular option by a country mile when Hughes left was QSF, streets ahead of O'Neill or Moyes. Similarly Graham Potter was high on a lot of lists after Lambert. A section of the support is inevitably calling for a more organised, defensive old school manager like TP now, because... well it doesn't need explaining after the last two years does it. But to make out it's because the support is inherently ultra-conservative and backward-looking is just twisting your own stereotype of the city to fit a narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 18:32:49 GMT
This continual pining for the past and fear of change/anything that could be perceived as dynamic and forward-thinking is a fucking disease round these parts and has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Stoke on Trent is culturally and economically decades behind other cities. Anyone with any vision or positive ideas instantly gets shot down and criticised When Jones arrived he was the personification of positive, forward-thinking dynamism. Can you provide some examples of how he was instantly shot down, criticised or seen as a “disease” by the Stoke support at that time please? Just look at any one of my posts from January onwards! The bizarre thing is I'm now firmly in the "Jones Remain" camp...
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 16, 2019 18:37:33 GMT
I was referring to the backward-looking mentality of the city as a whole there. You're right, NJ was the personification of forward thinking and dynamism but there were plenty on here and in the pubs/workplaces etc at the time moaning that we'd appointed a nobody/lower league manager. So not the same thing at all then? Moaning that somebody is unknown or unproven is completely different from moaning that they are too adventurous or progressive. You can have your opinion about the mentality of the city but there isn't a shred of evidence to suggest Stoke fans are anti-progressiveness and positivity, which is clearly the main indicator we're looking at here. TP is one of our most successful managers ever and at *best* he's divisive. Meanwhile the appointment of Jones with all his infectious rhetoric was vigorously celebrated. The most popular option by a country mile when Hughes left was QSF, streets ahead of O'Neill or Moyes. Similarly Graham Potter was high on a lot of lists after Lambert. A section of the support is inevitably calling for a more organised, defensive old school manager like TP now, because... well it doesn't need explaining after the last two years does it. But to make out it's because the support is inherently ultra-conservative and backward-looking is just twisting your own stereotype of the city to fit a narrative. They're not calling for a manager like TP. They're calling for TP. Anyway, I don't know why I'm arguing the toss. I have it on good authority that isn't coming back in any capacity (ever) and that'll do for me.
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Post by davesviews on Sept 16, 2019 18:41:44 GMT
Tony Pulis will not be returning to Stoke City
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 16, 2019 18:42:30 GMT
Tony Pulis will not be returning to Stoke City You've like your own post dave Welcome back
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 16, 2019 18:46:26 GMT
When Jones arrived he was the personification of positive, forward-thinking dynamism. Can you provide some examples of how he was instantly shot down, criticised or seen as a “disease” by the Stoke support at that time please? Just look at any one of my posts from January onwards! The bizarre thing is I'm now firmly in the "Jones Remain" camp... Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but it has to be based on facts or some sign of things to come. We have basically lost our first 7 games of the season. The draw counts for nothing, does it? Statistically we are up shit creek, mathematically it's embarrassing. The stats suggest our team should be in a better position but also suggest that management have failed in every department. Goals have dried up, we are shipping plenty, confidence is zero... Don't give me that the players are still playing for the manager, we heard that every time before the manager was sacked. They clearly aren't, are they, otherwise we wouldn't be bottom with the worst start in history. At the end of the day he's got 2 games. Lose them both and we are going down for me, statistically speaking, win them both and we still need 3-4 more wins just to get to middle ground. If he wins any less than 50% of the next 10 he has to go. So let's just say 3 of the next 5, the next 2 are a must and it will not be easy. Draws are no good now.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 16, 2019 18:59:38 GMT
Tony Pulis will not be returning to Stoke City Boom! Alright David, where you been hiding?
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Post by dexta on Sept 16, 2019 19:05:02 GMT
Tony Pulis will not be returning to Stoke City doesn't take a mind reader to already know that
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Post by robrigo on Sept 16, 2019 19:16:36 GMT
Tony Pulis will not be returning to Stoke City Evening stranger. What a mess Stoke have got themselves into. Any news whether our current manager is going to be shown the door given his disastrous record or are we comfortable sitting with our thumbs up our arse in the hope we embark on a glorious resurgence?
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Post by RAF on Sept 16, 2019 19:31:31 GMT
Spinks the line toeing lickspittle! How can anyone give this tool the time of day after the twat he made of himself over Cartwright?
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Post by march4 on Sept 16, 2019 19:38:55 GMT
Hughton then?
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 16, 2019 19:39:22 GMT
Dave..do you know if anybody is likely to be coming in the near future?
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Post by dexta on Sept 16, 2019 19:41:38 GMT
Has God spoken,!!
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Post by thevoid on Sept 16, 2019 19:42:24 GMT
It makes people thick because it demonstrates the mawkish, sentimental backwards outlook that's typifies the mentality of both the club and the city as a whole. The skewed logic employed by the rabid Pulis Death Cult is stupid beyond belief i.e. This bloke made us good once, ergo he's the only bloke that can do it again. This is often supported by a flagrant disregard of facts (pretty much got WBA relegated, bottled Boro promotion push after spending 50m etc) and a rewriting of history (we didn't look like being relegated under TP / only finished 9th under Hughes because of what TP built before him etc). And that's before you even bring the fact that football has moved on since then and his antiquated methods/style are no longer as effective into the argument. This continual pining for the past and fear of change/anything that could be perceived as dynamic and forward-thinking is a fucking disease round these parts and has undoubtedly contributed to the fact that Stoke on Trent is culturally and economically decades behind other cities. Anyone with any vision or positive ideas instantly gets shot down and criticised and progress is so slow due to attitudes and outlooks of those in power being stuck in the past (emboldened by a backwards looking local population who love to moan about anything and everything). You could correctly argue that the club has looked forward with Rowett and Jones and it hasn't worked, but that doesn't instantly mean we have to forever hark back to a period of relative success (a period that was very much of it's time and circumstance and unlikely to be repeated in today's climate at a club that is virtually unrecognisable from the one that TP enjoyed most of his success with). If we're going to go back to the 'steady hand' type of manager then it's got to be Hughton and we should be pulling out all the stops to get him in. I agree. Unfortunately I don't think the billionaire who makes the decisions does. If it was left to him do you think Bet365 would even exist? They'd be on a par with BetFred, and not the global power they are now.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 16, 2019 20:28:28 GMT
the rabid Pulis Death Cult
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 16, 2019 20:34:18 GMT
Tony Pulis will not be returning to Stoke City Oh god dave, so much has happened whilst you've been gone. The club has become trapped in an absolute cyclone of a shit storm, please tell us its about to stop.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 16, 2019 20:36:28 GMT
Every question revolves around Pulis or other dinosaur managers What the fuck is wrong with stoke fans. If all we want is another dinosaur then we deserve everything that is coming our way just lately. The city, the club and the fans are stuck in a fucking time warp. I genuinely hope they bring him back and he relegates us*. Going down would be absolutely catastrophic but I'd take the collateral damage just so I would have to hear his fucking name ever again. (*he's not every coming back by the way, despite what Spinks says here). You just know everyone would lay the blame solely at Nath’s door & Pulis would get away scott free with the rimmers
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 16, 2019 20:42:14 GMT
Interesting, if not random return from Dave.
What’s happening Dave?
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 16, 2019 20:46:49 GMT
Interesting, if not random return from Dave. What’s happening Dave? Please be prepared to wait 284 days for a reply
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 16, 2019 20:59:43 GMT
It's obvious Pulis is the one waiting on standby. I'll guess he'll be appointed within the fortnight. I'd have a wager with you that our next manager won't be Pulis but you haven't paid up on the first bet yet. I'm hoping it will be hughton, just have a feeling they are letting Jones stay longer and longer until we are all so desperate that we welcome pulis back. I'll send you that fiver if you pm your paypal email address
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 16, 2019 20:59:53 GMT
Employing Pulis again would split the fan base massively. I think you’d find a lot more people would be outraged with his appointment than there would be glad of it.
It would show complete backwards thinking by the club and to think of him sitting there with that smug grin on his face, thinking he is the only man on the ENTIRE planet that can save Stoke City, makes me shudder.
I would personally rather risk it with Jones (whether good or bad), for the rest of the season, and would completely lose faith that the club have any idea what they are doing.
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Post by rawli on Sept 16, 2019 21:33:56 GMT
Interesting, if not random return from Dave. What’s happening Dave? Please be prepared to wait 284 days for a reply The new manager has a name containing both vowels and consonnants. He was previously a professional footballer and has managed at least one other football club before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 22:54:51 GMT
Spinks the line toeing lickspittle! How can anyone give this tool the time of day after the twat he made of himself over Cartwright? H Top marks for getting lickspittle into a post. Well done sir!
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Post by callas12 on Sept 16, 2019 23:32:58 GMT
Every question revolves around Pulis or other dinosaur managers What the fuck is wrong with stoke fans. If all we want is another dinosaur then we deserve everything that is coming our way just lately. The city, the club and the fans are stuck in a fucking time warp. You can point the finger firmly at the owners as well on this point. Looks at Coates' appointments down the years... Ball, Macari, Jordan, Bates, Little, Megson, Pulis, Hughes, Lambert, Rowett, Jones... A handful of successes in there for sure, but no real sign of any imaginative thinking. And when there was a modicum of some (QSF) we managed to make a mess of it. Brian Little & Gary Megson were Keith Humphries appointments, in the short spell he took over from Coates before the Icelanders reign began.. But get your point tho about some of his recruiting being a mixed bag. Aside from the Pulis era(s) remember Coates appointing Macari being quite a coup at the time as he was doing well at Bham City and winning trophies. Ball, Jordan and Bates appointments werent his finest decisions.
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 16, 2019 23:36:36 GMT
Tony Pulis will not be returning to Stoke City Evening stranger. What a mess Stoke have got themselves into. Any news whether our current manager is going to be shown the door given his disastrous record or are we comfortable sitting with our thumbs up our arse in the hope we embark on a glorious resurgence? What makes you think daveviews will have any idea? This is the guy who posted Mark Hughes was definitely staying 2 days before he got sacked, and that's about the only time he ever stuck his neck out. Also said we weren't interested in Rowett and never mentioned Jones. Not great form.
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